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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

Not only all that, but the study referenced was "sponsored science" paid for by the National Pork Board.

see: http://food.theatlantic.com/nutrition/sponsored-science-strikes-again.php

Hmmm. I wonder if they have an agenda?

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For Christmas: Are We Talkin' Turkey Or Cookin' a Goose?

I have cooked a Christmas goose for over 20 years. I look forward to the wonderful crispy skin and slightly oily yet tender meat all year long.

Plus, I end up with close to a quart of goose grease that I use to fry potatoes, eggs, and what all throughout the year.

Make 2007 the Year of the Goose!

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

Not only all that, but the study referenced was "sponsored science" paid for by the National Pork Board.

see: http://food.theatlantic.com/nutrition/sponsored-science-strikes-again.php

Hmmm. I wonder if they have an agenda?

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For Christmas: Are We Talkin' Turkey Or Cookin' a Goose?

I have cooked a Christmas goose for over 20 years. I look forward to the wonderful crispy skin and slightly oily yet tender meat all year long.

Plus, I end up with close to a quart of goose grease that I use to fry potatoes, eggs, and what all throughout the year.

Make 2007 the Year of the Goose!

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

just FYi the editors decided to append a note disclosing the funding source of the studies used:
"Editors' Note: April 14, 2009
An Op-Ed article last Friday, about pork, neglected to disclose the
source of the financing for a study finding that free-range pigs were
more likely than confined pigs to test positive for exposure to
certain pathogens. The study was financed by the National Pork Board."

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

I'm with Meat guy -- I shoot for 145 degrees as well. It is still "blush of pink" that way, and still plenty juicy.

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

Trichinosis is a pain, literally. the worms live and form cysts in the muscle tissue of the host. And considering that to do that they burrow through your intestines and any other tissues in their way it is not great for your total health. I have worked with people who had gotten infested,and they assured me it is definitely not one of the things you want to put on your bucket list of to do's. If it were harmless, no one would be concerned.

To prevent infestation meat should be cooked to a minimum of 137 degrees farenheit, considereing most people can't or won't calibrate their thermometers, play it safe and go to 145, still rare, if that is what you desire.

Decades ago, when trichinosis was more common USDA gave us two other methods for destroying trichinae in meat.

Method 1 is freezing the meat at -20 degrees farenheit for 40 days, shorter times and higher temperatures may not work, this was known as certified Pork in the meat industry. this is also colder than most home freezers are run at.

The second method refers to dry cured meats. this required the meat to be treated with 3 1/2 percent salt for 40 days to destroy the encysted worms. The actual 40 days started when the product was fully salted, immediately with ground meat, think genoa salami or soppressata, but if it were a dry cured ham, it could take 60 days or longer for the salt to equilibrate to a minimum of 3.5% throughout the ham. That is why dry cured hams age for 4-6 months.

The reality here, is that people really know far less than they should about what they eat and how to prepare it. May people distrust real science for their gut feelings. Others are total cynics, maybe former hippies( oh the hate talk this will generate), who feel the system is out to get them and homogenize them. People, learn the real science, make sane decisions. Just because a Chef or Farmer tells you it won't hurt you to eat rare pork, or you read it on the internet (oh my god that is where I posted this!) doesn't make it 100% true.

Trust me, eating your pork a little dryer (Cooked to 145 to 150 degrees) is far better than trichinosis.

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

trichinosis is not caused by a bacteria, it's caused by a parasitic nematode, or roundworm, that forms cysts in host tissue. actually, there are three species of nematode that can cause trichinosis, t. spirialis, t. britovi, and t. nativa. all the fuss made about cooking pork to a higher temperature is because these worms form cysts, which are quite resistant to environmental changes (such as temperature), and note: bacteria do not form cysts. the worms form cysts because they are hoping to get ingested by another animal to continue their life cycle, and they need to be able to resist harsh environments such as stomach acids.

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

In the Philippines, I guess because they feed pigs with almost anything we've always cooked pork to well done. And that's the way i'm going to continue to make it. I think the problem with mass-produced pork here in the U.S. is that they have been bred to almost no taste (too lean) so cooking it well done taste like cardboard. I would love to try the pork from Flying pigs farm...it's on my list...chinese roast pig with their pork belly!

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

OK, so I read the study in question, because a few people asked me about it. I will say at the start that the op-ed was not my favorite, and as a former writer of pieces like this I detected all sorts of tricks clever opinion writers use to bend reality to their point of view; it is part of the craft.

But let's just take the writer at face value: The study he refers to looked at 329 "free range" hogs and tested them, and then found 2 -- yes, only 2 -- that had even the presence of antibodies for the trichinae parasite.

Now the presence of antibodies is not a 100 percent guarantor that the hog is infected. They probably do have trichinae worms, but the presence of antibodies also can mean that the hog has defeated the parasite at some point in its past and has a strengthened immune system because of it. (think Nietzsche)

But for the sake of argument, let's just say both of those hogs actually had trichinae: 2 pigs out of 329 is a REALLY good set of odds. Why? It's all about perception. Most consumers are still convinced ALL hogs carry trichinae worms, so given this, even the Gucci hogs are beating the odds.

So the bottom line for me is that I'd still rather buy pork from a "walkin' around pig" that had an honest immune system -- and yes, a less than 1 percent chance of carrying trichinae parasites -- than a factory hog. And I'll cook that walkin' around pig the way I like it: with a nice blush of pink at its center.

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

My husband and I have decided that given what we know now, we will continue to cook and eat Berkshire, Red Wattle, Duroc, etc. pork after it has been frozen for two weeks or longer. It will be cooked to about 137*. Thanks, Ed, for this post. It has provoked a lot of discussion, and we have decided that this is how our family will proceed. We also spoke this afternoon to our farmer. She reads everything she can on such subjects when she isn't reading Proust or tending to the farm. We consider the source of the food we bring into our kitchen to be very important, and we always try to be aware of the bias, agenda, ambitions of the people providing information.

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

I agree with the sentiment that the original Op-Ed piece was neither alarmist nor biased. I think the point of it was to highlight the fact that raising pigs outdoors will increase the prevalence of various pathogens they are likely to encounter in the environment, which is why they were moved indoors in the first place. The increased risk to the human consumer may be negliglible, but it is increased nonetheless.

Ultimately I think that it is much more important to look at how confined pork production (along with most industrial ag techniques) may be responsible for the rise of MRSA. It is, I think, also good to note that there are two fairly distinct strains of MRSA -- "community acquired" and "hospital acquired." The hospital acquired strain results from the rampant use of antibiotics in hospitals, and I suspect it is responsible for the vast majority of MRSA-associated deaths due to the high-risk population one finds in a hospital. But the community acquired strain is most likely much much more prevalent, with most carriers having no infection. Staph aureus (the SA in MRSA) is, after all, the most common type of bacteria found on human skin. It is far more likely that the spread of MRSA is due to human-human transmission, and it is very unlikely to be a food-borne pathogen (as opposed to Salmonella, E. coli, trichinosis, etc.).

So if I am worried about whether *this* piece of pork will make me sick if I eat it, chances are the pork from a pig raised outdoors will be "less safe" than the one raised indoors. The risk is probably less than that of me getting sick from eating raw egg, raw fish/shellfish, and medium-cooked burgers, but I do all of those with reckless abandon. If I am worried about the epidemiologic and public health consequences of raising pigs certain ways, then it is clear that confined, go go antibiotics, industrial methods are far, far riskier.

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

@trialbyfood, yes, it was an op-ed piece, but it was published by the most powerful and influential paper in the country, and they should be more careful about what they print. i thought it was a ridiculous piece, myself, and i'm glad ed brought it up.

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

@popcornfordinner, sorry for the misinterpretation, nice links btw. I still believe MRSA risen more from antibiotic usage in humans though.

More on the subject of the story. I rather get pork roundworms than pork tapeworms =). I think it maybe useful, since we eat so much (includes me). I won't mind losing a few pounds to these worms.

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

The Pork Board represents all commercial growers of pork, breed specific, free range and factory. They tell niche producers how to market, where to get certified, and try to keep them profitable and in business. To imply they have an agenda in this study, beyond proving pork is safe to eat, is beyond belief. Visit their web site and see what they do. If they have any agenda, it is to get people to eat as much pork as possible.

All federally inspected pork is lot tested for trichinae, and similar studies have been done by USDA, which have shown trichinae in free range pork. Why would anyone be suprised that an animal in uncontrolled outdoor conditions runs a greater risk of getting environmental infestations of parasites. The feral cats in major cities have toxoplamosis, why wouldn't free range pigs?

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

Wow Ed, normally I like your posts, but what you've done here is nearly the same as what you're railing against. The first thing you failed to recognize was that the article in question was an Op-Ed piece. That means it represents opinion over actual reporting of evidence and hence there's no reason for the editorial board to ask the author to be fair or balanced or informed. Second, have you read the actual journal article that the piece uses as its main evidence? Its free for anyone to read at the publishers website. While you and others may complain that it was industry funded research, as an actual research scientist that means little to me. Someone has to pay for such studies, and the pork board has a vested interest in knowing whether or not their management practices are the best. Free range or "confined" doesn't matter to them as long as it sells more pork. As for the article itself, there are numerous issues that I have with it in terms of the science conducted and how its been presented. That reflects the authors and NOT the pork industry. Should you fear eating free range pork because of the results, no. But should you also be concerned about the implications, yes.

Please, next time, think about the issue as a whole before you get all riled up over one small particular issue.

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

I'm really glad we're having a civilized discussion about this topic. Let's make sure we keep it on topic and also make sure we don't get into personal jibes. Popcornfordinner posted a great, relevant link in her comment to Marion Nestle's blog post on the editorial. Well worth reading.

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

This is great news for the chain of Pork Sushi restaurants that I'm kicking off later this year.

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

@popcornfordinner, for your information, you can safely eat alot of MRSA and not feel a thing. It's not a super toxic bug, just a hard to kill bug. Alot of humans are infact colonizers of MRSA anyways, you only worry about it if it is a skin infection that gets into your blood stream, stabbed, or immunocomprimised. Don't feed propaganda, and try to use words you don't know thanks...

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

I grew up eating the pigs my grandfather raised, he didn't use antibiotics on them and no one ever got sick. But then again, we would cook the pork for hours in a spit until it was falling off the bone. I think the temperature the meat reaches when cooking has more to do with how safe it is than the way it was raised.

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

@sally599 Note: This particular pig farmer and her pig farming husband both happen to have masters degrees in public health

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

Let us not forget that the author of the op-ed piece also has a book to sell. Nothing like a controversy to keep one's name in the forefront . Or in the front of Barnes & Noble's window. I agree with Ed that the piece was irresponsible and had more than a tinge of hysteria attached to it. I was also flummoxed by the use of the term 'free-range pig". I am used to that designation to describe how chickens, etc are rasied but I have never heard the term in reference to pigs. Heritage yes, free range no. I also agree with the poster who stated that commodity pork is full of antibiotics that probably do us more harm than we know. I'll take a chop from Flying Pigs over one from Stop N Shop any day and take my chances. And as for the New York Times, well, aren't they the paper that promoted the war in Iraq with fabricated and/or erroneus information?

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Trichinosis in Free-Range Pigs: Cause for Concern, or Sloppy Editing and Writing?

First off, this isn't an article, but an opinion piece, much like the post here on SE is an opinion piece. That aside, I'm not sure what's so alarmist about this. If the cited study was well-designed, and shows significantly greater incidence of nasties (that's the technical term) in free-range pork, then it far outweighs anything a pig farmer might have to say about the subject. If the study was not well-designed, or the data not well-interpreted, then the findings are to be rejected. If, however, the results are valid, then this is something that should be taken seriously, even here on Serious Eats.

It's clear to anyone who reads the column fairly that the point is not one of how well pork should be cooked (that's a pretty frivolous interpretation), but of the dangers in raising free-range animals for food. Those dangers are supported by a study, and the study is cited. It seems to me that if you want to argue against it, you need to look at the study, not the writing style.

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For Christmas: Are We Talkin' Turkey Or Cookin' a Goose?

LOL!! Daniel, that was funny.
Actually I have a buddy who cooks a goose sometime throughout the year and I insist it's really a duck. And another thing, forget the turducken. I can't prepare anything the name of which begins with those 4 letters.

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For Christmas: Are We Talkin' Turkey Or Cookin' a Goose?

My go-to for Christmas is a standing rib roast (or a nice dry-aged prime rib eye roast if we're doing a small group). But, our only Christmas tradition is to do something untraditional, at least every other year. We've often been found in the supermarket in the late afternoon on Christmas Day, searching for the ingredients for some random craving that's struck. One year it was hot pastrami and swiss sandwiches (took four markets before we found a little pathetic chunk of pastrami). Another year it was SOS aka chipped beef on toast (that chipped beef is hard to find in the first place, much less just before closing on Xmas). And growing up, some version of Mexican food was frequent (inescapable in So Calif). But the thing my Mommee made most often was her famous lasagne. MMMmmmmmmm.

Anyway. I might make a small turkey to accompany the roast for new D-i-L as she's not a huge meat fan.

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