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What better way to say "I love you" than with the gift of a spatula
Eat This, Not That: The Worst Foods in America
"Chipotle has some fine tasting food, but I believe it is owned by McDonald's corp.,"
Basically McDonalds just funded a bunch of money and chain-expanding knowhow to Chipotle to get them started. There was a good article in Time or some other similar magazine about it. They never really influenced the food side of the business, which has always been about fresh ingredients cooked in-store.
You can cut that 1000 calorie burrito down a whole lot by leaving off the sour cream and the tortilla. The chipotlefan website has a nice calculator for figuring out what each topping "costs" in calories.
I don't eat at Chipotle much anymore since my office moved next to a great Cuban restaurant and a locally owned burrito shop with similar quality just opened closer to my house.
Cook the Book: 'Think Like a Chef'
As the chipotle t-shirt says, "braising is amazing"
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Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
Wouldn't it be easier to remove the government funding that makes the corn that goes into the junk food cheap?
But that won't work since it would cut into the processed food industry's profits, fail to give free money to the health industry, and remove demand from the health industry.
Spatula Taxonomy
What better way to say "I love you" than with the gift of a spatula
Eat This, Not That: The Worst Foods in America
"Chipotle has some fine tasting food, but I believe it is owned by McDonald's corp.,"
Basically McDonalds just funded a bunch of money and chain-expanding knowhow to Chipotle to get them started. There was a good article in Time or some other similar magazine about it. They never really influenced the food side of the business, which has always been about fresh ingredients cooked in-store.
You can cut that 1000 calorie burrito down a whole lot by leaving off the sour cream and the tortilla. The chipotlefan website has a nice calculator for figuring out what each topping "costs" in calories.
I don't eat at Chipotle much anymore since my office moved next to a great Cuban restaurant and a locally owned burrito shop with similar quality just opened closer to my house.
Cook the Book: 'Think Like a Chef'
As the chipotle t-shirt says, "braising is amazing"
Question of the Day: What's your favorite appetizer to prepare for company/potlucks?
Well I just got back from a company party where I set up an omelet station with black forest ham, red onion, green peppers, tomatoes, portobello mushrooms, cheddar, blue, and parmesan (freshly grated, of course) cheeses, and some homemade tomatillo salsa verde.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
What a terrible idea. We haven't even addressed this country's poverty situation; until everybody can afford food, why increase the cost?
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
I don't think a fat tax is very practical - there are several things wrong with Pigouvian taxes in general. They are hard to calculate because it is impossible to determine the exact amount of externality caused, in this case by obesity, and they affect different people in different ways! Here is an article about why a fat tax wouldn't work: http://www.mindreign.com/en/mindshare/Global-Economics/Fat-Tax/sl35291137bp387cpp10pn1.html
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
I have to comment here. I am an obese man that has been unemployed for a while now, and I have very little money and have not had much money my whole life (growing up, my family of 10 had little money). What I don't understand is why people think that low-income people eat a lot of fast food. If this is true, then that means that the vast majority of people that have a low income are pretty dumb too or are too lazy to cook. Why should I spend $5 on a fast food "value" meal when I can buy a package of Knorr Noodles and Sauce for $1 at Wal-mart and also get more food? Also, for those of you that say that people should be eating more fresh food, vegetables, etc, here is what I say to you: do you realize how expensive produce is? For me to buy even just a couple items to make a salad would cost me enough money to feed me in other ways for at least a week. And, no, I don't just eat the noodles and sauce. Yes, a lot of what I eat is inexpensive, starch-based food, but I don't have much choice, financially. I do occasionally buy lean ground beef when on sale and make burgers at home. I can make 8 quarter-pound burgers with buns for about $5 and that will give me 4 meals. In closing, I just wanted to say that obesity does not mean eating fast food and that having a lower income does not mean eating fast food, but I do think that obesity and low income do somewhat go hand-in-hand.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
I agree with 99% of the posts here: taxing BMI is stupid. Even the analogy the poster from the Economist is bad: products are bad, so we tax the product. The poster mistakenly tries to apply this same logic to BMI, not realizing that BMI is not a product one can buy, but a result of a product.
a junk food tax is interesting, although I think would be too hard to pin down on semantic definitions. I think we all here might agree that soda is pretty much empty calories and should be taxed as junk food, but I'll bet Coke would disagree. They might even point at their competitors products ... "Why aren't Lay's Potato Chips being taxed as junk food? They are worse for you!" (Lay's is partnered with Pepsi) ... and the potato chip makers might point at the candy makers, who might point at the donut makers, who cry fowl at the cake and pastry makers ... imagine the carnage of a hundred bakers holding hands as they march on congress, throwing eggs in protest (The police, when they show up to break up fights, promptly ruin the eggs by pouring ketchup on them ...).
Needless to say, the whole situation gets out of hand, and is a little crazy.
It sounds like congress is trying to squeeze a little cash from overweight people. A better idea:
Regulate the price of gasoline and raise it to $8 / Gallon.
People would seriously re-consider their modes of transportation and getting around. More people would walk and bike to work and to the store, turning them into healthier people. In addition, as demand for oil drops, we would greatly reduce the amount of foreign oil we import, dropping our national debt; and we would greatly reduce the amount of green-house gases cars emit in the air.
Three national problems - obesity, economic debt, and the environment - solved with one little solution.
You're welcome :D
(This post brought to you by the makers of humor and sarcasm)
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
I also want to point out that the person that made the comment at the Economist, as well as 95% of people out there, don't use BMI correctly. BMI should not be used as an individual level tool to see if you are overweight or underweight, as all the examples given (Lance Armstrong, Football teams, etc...) have shown. BMI is a good population level tool where you can have large populations. So, comparing Portland to Seattle on BMI is a fine use, or two high schools, but not two people.
The media likes to use BMI because it's simple and anyone can calculate it, and there isn't a good alternative out there. When used by researchers to show that the average BMI is increasing, it has value, but basing a tax off of it would be a horrible idea.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
@esarn - thanks! Sounds like that number is heavily influenced by the child-tax credit, which is interesting since I always feel a little jipped by the w4, where being married and having kids seems to equal a government stamp of approval of life choices and cash handout. I know kids are expensive and all, but it always peeves me a little that you get to pay less taxes because of it /soapbox :P
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
@ginger -- OK, replace right to privacy with the expectation of privacy from government intrusion that is implied by the fourth and ninth amendments..semantics.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
@esarn - "45% of Americans pay $0 in income taxes." That's incredibly vague, care to share the source? I admit this is entirely anecdotal, but all of the uninsured people I know work and pay taxes, so that just doesn't sound accurate to me and I'd love to know what organization is putting out that number.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
@sloppy - Like the misinformation that we have a right to privacy in this country?
To add to my earlier point... I think that the taxes should help pay for health care. As should the taxes on cigarettes and alcohol (paying for stadiums is a bad bad bad idea). There are already government nutrition programs trying to promote good/healthy eating.
My health insurance company used to offer discounts if we joined a gym or a nutrition program because those lead to better health. Thanks so skyrocketing costs of health care they've discontinued this part. So now I either have to pay for these things out of pocket or not do them at all. I think if we give people incentive to exercise (like not having it cost $900 a year to use a treadmill and yes I know I could run outside on the broken pavement through the streets of SWPhilly with my pepper spray in fear) and join diet programs then they'll do it.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
I think Big Tobacco needs to ante up way before Junk Food.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
This is one of the stupidest things I've ever read. The right to privacy has been chipped away at a lot over the years but it still exists. Forcing individuals to periodically get on a scale for the federal government is a clear violation of those rights. As such, taxes based on BMI are a non-starter.
Also (to some posters here) -- please don't make this an illiterate economics discussion. There is already enough misinformation out there.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
~45% of Americans pay $0 in income taxes. If the new health care bill passes, my federal, state, and city income taxes will total close to 70%. Instead of blindly raising my taxes, why don't we start to internalize some of the health hazards of our poor habits. Regressive taxes are only truly regressive if the benefactors are of a higher tax bracket but since so many of our uninsured are among the 45% who do not pay income taxes, a tax upon liquor, cigarettes, fast food, etc would actually go towards a health care program they could use. Currently, the cigarette tax pays for stuff like a new football stadium in Chicago, which should be criminal for a number of reasons. Liquor tax should be raised drastically, and I completely agree with a previous comment that we should be lifting the corn subsidies which would make "bad" food more expensive.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
The last thing we need is more taxes. Whatever happened to making an attempt to be responsible for one's own fate and an effort at self-sufficiency? Sadly, although the original intent of the Economist reader's remark was hyperbole, but there will be some taxaholic politician who will think this is a great idea. If they're so bent on providing government health care, why not force Congress members to use the program (since they voted themselves out of it), and cut enough government programs to coverthe cost? Let's start with cutting congressional salaries.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
Wow, over 30 posts on the subject and nobody has rejected the premise of the initial question. How best to raise taxes so that the government can afford to pay for it's citizen's health insurance??? What if the govt. lowered taxes by getting out of the health care business all together? Health care is not a right, as much as we wish it was. It is great to have, but not guaranteed to everyone. Taxing you to pay for my health care is infringing on your rights (the govt. was originally set up to protect individual rights). Anyway, I know this is a wierd post for SE...Shake Shack rules!
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
I think that perhaps the Economist reader is merely using hyperbole to illustrate how intrusive government already is in affecting how we make our own decisions ...?
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
@joyyy...i totally agree with you and hope that it is in fact a "part" of the solution and not just a bandaid. i guess i should have made it clear that i'm not in opposition of this. i think it'll be helpful, but i hope its not the only planned solution.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
Junk food tax--are you going to tax fruit juice, USDA prime beef, olive oil, etc? What makes one food "junk" and another not? How do you define it in a legislative way?
BMI is BS, as already pointed out. Athletes with any sort of muscle bulk would end up paying more, despite the fact they're among the healthiest people around. Manual laborers by the same token.
If someone is underweight, should they pay a surcharge on low-calorie, low-fat, healthy food? Being underweight also costs more to the health system, you know.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
@_greenbean - actually, part of prevention is changing the environment in which a problem flourishes. Taxing junk food would address (in theory, at least) the part of the obesity/healthcare issue that involves how readily available and wildly affordable junk food is. Making unhealthy food less affordable can be *one part* of efforts aiming to shift the eating habits of Americans. It's not a great idea as a whole solution to the problem, but it makes sense as a *part* of the solution.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
I'm pretty ok with taxing soda, if nothing else. It's part of changing a norm that drinking soda on a daily (if not more frequent) basis is part of normal/healthy lifestyle, I mean, look at how many schools have vending machines in them! And yeah, soda is possibly one of the most unnecessary things ever. Junk food is cheap and popular in lower SES homes because you have to eat. But soda? You can turn on a faucet and drink water, you can't turn on your faucet and call it dinner.
Taxing fast food makes sense too, but working in the public sphere, I'm all too familiar with how big of a migraine trying to define it would be. BMI tax is stupid as well given how flawed of an indicator the BMI is (my bf is technically underweight most days, but he's super healthy).
And seriously, am I the only person tired of hearing about how we need to make healthy food more affordable? It is affordable! It just takes time, effort, and some basic skills. Unfortunately, a lot of folks don't have all three of those things at their disposal on a daily basis. I would totally support anything that would help remedy "food desert" issues though, as I know that's a big deal in some areas.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
this is just backwards thinking. rather than tax junk food, make healthy food attractive by lowering prices of good, real food. provide incentives for farmers to grow diverse crops and for people to sell healthy foods.
but i guess this wouldn't help pay for the upfront costs of health care. it's just another example of how we seek treatment over prevention in this country. there would be less need for health care if we enabled all people to eat healthy foods.
i also have a problem with penalizing individual consumers this way when it's the system that is the problem. many individuals lack access to healthy food and knowledge. any shift in the eating habits of Americans will require a systematic change.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
What a super idea, gang!
Here are some other great ideas:
A tax on people who have cancer -- they must have made mistakes in their lifestyles so they're using up medical resources that should properly go to others.
A tax on organic food -- since foodies don't really have an effective lobby, it's an easy way to raise revenue without endangering re-election for the pols who vote for it.
A tax on coffee -- everybody drinks it, and it can subsidize a national heathcare plan -- single payer option, of course!
A tax on couples who have children -- talk about using up the earth's resources.
A tax on anyone who goes on food Internet sites -- to help organic farmers who can sell the food to people who then get taxed to help achieve healthcare reform -- except for cancer patients, who should be taxed.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
If we can find a way to tax junk food that lets us subsidize healthier food for people, then I would be all for that. Trying to determine what qualifies as junk food would take far more work, but I'm sure that given enough effort we can come up with something (perhaps based on if the calories are all from fat and sugar, if it's refined grains or whole grains, use of high fructose corn syrup, etc...).
If the formula/rules that are used to determine if something is subject to the tax starts to lead to even small changes, like using whole grain buns instead of white buns on a burger, regular sugar over corn syrup in products, and so on to get products healthy enough to not be taxed (though not subsidized), that would be great. And if subsidies lead to the point that McDonalds can offer some healthy, more local alternatives for the same price as a Big Mac on their menu, then I think everyone would be happy.
Sure, people are going to still eat more Big Mac's than they should (and I love nothing more than a good cheeseburger, which the Big Mac isn't, but still), at least people will have a good, healthy alternative that's affordable at the same locations. It's still better if people were able to cook at home and prepare food that way, but healthy options are a good start.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
I think taxing by weight is wrong because skinny people can also be unhealthy (my family is full of skinny people with heart disease).
I think junk food/soda should be taxed just to encourage people to not eat that crap. And yes it might affect lower income people. I am one of those low income people and I think that government nutrition programs already guide people towards healthy foods (you can use SNAP at farmer's markets but not at McDonalds) so it's just another step in the right direction.
Should Junk Food Help Pay for Health Care?
Being married and being religious are also linked to better health, so let's also tax single people who don't attend church services regularly. Plus I'm pretty sure we've always been at war with Eastasia.
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Wouldn't it be easier to remove the government funding that makes the corn that goes into the junk food cheap?
But that won't work since it would cut into the processed food industry's profits, fail to give free money to the health industry, and remove demand from the health industry.