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Ambiance Is Not a Topping

it is good to see DJ Bubbles back in the hip hop fray as he is keepin it real and cuttin thru the smoke - his next task is to dissect the latest issue of New York Magazine and take wannabes Patronite and Raisfeld to the proverbial woodshed ! Keste and UPN at #1 and #2 is legit but the next three should be Lucali, Patsy's & Difara and Grimaldi is laughing all the way to the bank despite being froze out of the top 20 ! NY Magazine should be commended for an ambitious article (and cover) that is required reading for those passionate about Pizza Napoletana - can we establish a Slice/ DJ Bubbles scholarship for the $4,000 Keste Pizzaiolo school ?

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Thin-Crust Pizza in Chicago? Yes, and It's Outstanding at Vito & Nick's

Garvey and Dan - as I mentioned back on 6/20/08, all of you casserole mongers really need to get to NYC and try the fab five: Patsy's, DiFara, Grimaldis, UPN and Lucalis. I grew up 1/2 way between Chicago and Detroit and never tried pizza napoletana until recently and I was blown away by the world class simplicity of the NYC artisans - take the challenge and sample the NYC fab five and then get back in this forum and debate NYC vs Chicagoland

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Thin-Crust Pizza in Chicago? Yes, and It's Outstanding at Vito & Nick's

Nice try Daniel, but how about some text and photos of Spacca Napoli and Trattoria DOC. Also, I understand there is decent thin crust in some of the connected areas of Cicero that would be worth checking out. You windy city casserole mongers need to come out to NYC and try the fab five:
Patsy's - East Harlem
Difara - Brooklyn
Grimaldi's - Brooklyn
Una Pizza Napoletana - East Village
Lucali's - Brooklyn

DJ Bubbles is correct that world class pizza is simple, pure and spends little time in the oven

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'The Syracuse Pizza Manifesto'

DJ Bubbles was joined on most Syracuse junkets by a guy appropriately named MC Treats. I can't say much about the pizza in the salt city, but the italian food in the Cuse and Utica rocks and is better than anything I've tried in NYC !

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Ambiance Is Not a Topping

it is good to see DJ Bubbles back in the hip hop fray as he is keepin it real and cuttin thru the smoke - his next task is to dissect the latest issue of New York Magazine and take wannabes Patronite and Raisfeld to the proverbial woodshed ! Keste and UPN at #1 and #2 is legit but the next three should be Lucali, Patsy's & Difara and Grimaldi is laughing all the way to the bank despite being froze out of the top 20 ! NY Magazine should be commended for an ambitious article (and cover) that is required reading for those passionate about Pizza Napoletana - can we establish a Slice/ DJ Bubbles scholarship for the $4,000 Keste Pizzaiolo school ?

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Thin-Crust Pizza in Chicago? Yes, and It's Outstanding at Vito & Nick's

Garvey and Dan - as I mentioned back on 6/20/08, all of you casserole mongers really need to get to NYC and try the fab five: Patsy's, DiFara, Grimaldis, UPN and Lucalis. I grew up 1/2 way between Chicago and Detroit and never tried pizza napoletana until recently and I was blown away by the world class simplicity of the NYC artisans - take the challenge and sample the NYC fab five and then get back in this forum and debate NYC vs Chicagoland

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Thin-Crust Pizza in Chicago? Yes, and It's Outstanding at Vito & Nick's

Nice try Daniel, but how about some text and photos of Spacca Napoli and Trattoria DOC. Also, I understand there is decent thin crust in some of the connected areas of Cicero that would be worth checking out. You windy city casserole mongers need to come out to NYC and try the fab five:
Patsy's - East Harlem
Difara - Brooklyn
Grimaldi's - Brooklyn
Una Pizza Napoletana - East Village
Lucali's - Brooklyn

DJ Bubbles is correct that world class pizza is simple, pure and spends little time in the oven

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'The Syracuse Pizza Manifesto'

DJ Bubbles was joined on most Syracuse junkets by a guy appropriately named MC Treats. I can't say much about the pizza in the salt city, but the italian food in the Cuse and Utica rocks and is better than anything I've tried in NYC !

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Uno's, Chicago's Original Deep-Dish Pizza

Daniel - welcome aboard and DJ Bubbles hit the nail on the head with his casserole comment. Chicago casserole is still delicious, just not in the same class as pizza napoletana margherita. A couple questions for you - having spent three years in NYC, what are your favorite gotham pizzerias and is anyone making a good pizza napoletana in Chicagoland or the entire midwest, for that matter ? Also, be on the lookout for a guy named Juan Meatball as he knows alot about Windy City pies

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Pizzeria Bianco: The DJ Bubbles Drive-By

DJ Bubbles adds to his legacy with another tape measure homerun in Phoenix. Funny, well researched, good photos and very knowledgable about pizza napoletana. As much as I would like to sample Bianco, I think I will save a thousand and merely saunter up to another Bubbles favorite - Patsy's in East Harlem and enjoy a plain or Margherita pie. Thanks again, Bubbles and I look forward to your first trip to New Haven for the ultimate double dip at Frank Pepe's and Sally's Apizza. By the way, how did Simon Cowell get on this site and your cousin looks a hell of a lot like Corey Feldman !

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Artichoke, a DJ Bubbles Drive-By

hungry - I have not seen your Slice reviews, but give DJ Bubbles (and DJ Doggles) some credit for referencing previous hyperbole and taking the time to visit three times and talking to the staff before authoring an opinion. The Bubbster is typically very objective, critical and calls em like he sees em. He clearly stated that Artichoke has worked very hard in a short period of time to improve crust and quality in response to early critics. Bubbles also made it clear that The Choke is creating their own legacy by improving on Staten Island roots rather than clone Difara's Avenue J product. I still think Patsy's East Harlem is number one, but I assure you that DJ Bubbles objective take on Artichoke will encourage many to discover this new and rapidly improving pie merchant !

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14th Street and Below: A DJ Bubbles Drive-By

this DJ Bubbles Guy kicks ass and gets it right everytime due to serious research and personal sacrifice. Thank goodness he is walking to each location as he would have some significant health issues without logging the miles ! lets make sure that DJ Doggles gets a slice now and then as he is a dead ringer for the recent Beagle winner of the Westminster show. An interesting comment by "juan meatball" and look for this to become the name of a new hit restaurant in Manhattan

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Uno's, Chicago's Original Deep-Dish Pizza

I had my first taste of an Uno's pizza during the summer of 1966. I was visiting a cousin who was a Missouri native and on Saturday night, we waited in the line to get in. Well worth the wait. And that was in the original with all the names carved on the wooden walls and a pizza such as I had never had before. But that's not so hard to do as I am a native of the deep southern part of Illinois and to the best of my memory, the closest we came to pizza was a package product my mother sometimes would make. Later, 10 years later, I moved to Chicago and one of the first places I HAD to go was to Uno's. Winter time, so always happy when we got in the door to wait -- it's not called the "windy city" without justification! So, we give our order to the waitress and we wait, and we wait, finally, name called. Think we had beers and perhaps a salad, but the much awaited pizza arrives, pipping hot at the waitress warns us as she does the bit with the handy tool and looseens the pizza from the pan and put a slice on each of our plates. Oh, did that bring back memories of that first one. We always had to order the same ingredients -- sausage, onion, mushroom and green pepper! OH! the thought of that, my mouth is watering already! We (that is my ex-husband and I) would often meet there for pizza. Then friends introduced us to their favorite place which was further north and west of the Water Tower area. Unfortunately, I don't remember the name -- just that it was a thin crust. And later, someone suggested we try Lou Malnati's -- we only lived a short distance away, so that one became our real favorite. The house salad was great and did not fill us so much that we had no room for that pizza that was always the small -- perfect for 2 people! Then we moved closer to the loop and we tried a few more -- there was one place, name escapes me now, but it was to the east off of Michigan avenue, and it too, was always a wait. Then we got even smarter and started getting forzen cheese & sauage ones which we started keeping in the freezer for those times when we just had to have a slice. And I added the green pepper, onions & mushrooms to those.
One evening while sitting in the bar section at Uno's, we were crowded next to a travelling salesman and since the space is so small, we got to chatting about food. He always made time to go to Uno's when in Chicago, but then some how my home town was mentioned and he said not matter how close he was to the neighboring town, he made a point of going to a Barbeque place -- Ray's in Harrisburg. Well, there is a man after my own heart -- althought my family favored another place, I had often eaten in Rays (and still get his sauce and find his grandson and get sandwiches).
Then there were other places for pizza that suddenly started popping up in various areas close to the loop. One place had a spinach pizza, another was close to where the ex worked and we had some pizza there.
I moved to San Antonio in '86, so no more pizza -- might have checked to see if someone could get a frozen one and overnight it, but that never occured to me and the price would have been silly. Then a move to St. Louis, a trip to Chicago for several reasons, so more pizza from one or the other of my favs. But while in St. Louis, they suddenly opened a "store" not far from us there. Well, was I disappointed!!! I told husband we could split one --- oh, was I wrong, too small and not the same crust.
But because of that we looked at the menu again and ordered a different style which was much better.
Then some years later, we move to the Philly area and discover the first night we are there -- our anniversary, no less, that there was a new Uno's almost in walking distance. So for years we went there for pizza. Fortunately, at some point a second one was opened and we not longer
had to put up with the rude, tired parents and screaming babies who had stopped at the first place they came to after they left Seseame Place. Summers at Uno's at that location were awful. But we did try several other pizza places over the years and I must say, that I have two favorites and they are Uno's and Lou Malnati's.
I did find it interesting one summer when we met my niece and her family at the Field Museum to see King Tut, her husband, who grew up in a Chicago suburb and also went to conventions at the convention center! Had NEVER HAD an Uno's pizza!!! My niece was in 7th heaven because, despite her 20 year + delay of seeing the King Tut exhibit, she also got to have some Unos! And I have a friend in Chicago who used to send me gift certificates from Lou Malnati's and I would order a pizza and a dessert. We also lived in Pittsburgh and I went nuts when we saw a new Uno's --- the franchise stores are not exactly the same -- and one thing missing seems to be the corn meal in the pans!!!

But I say Uno, Due or Lou Malnati's. I never cared for what they ordered at my last job in Pittsburgh when we had overtime -- they were thin crust and just not a Chicago style pizza. Close, but really NOT CIGAR!!!
Mary

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'The Syracuse Pizza Manifesto'

Late to the table here, but as a Syracusian ex-pat living in Chicago I must comment. First I have never found better pizza in Chicago - Homemade Pizza Co comes closest - than Syracuse, which I consider the best pizza city I have ever spent time in. Patsy's is by far my favorite ever and have been eating there since I was 8 (orginal locale near LeMoyne College). Pavones, Twin Trees, Sabistino's (if they're still open?), Johnny's, Varsity, Alki's (aka Acropolis), Before-is-was-Dorians & speaking of Skaneateles, there used to be an excellent joint out there, since closed. Now I'm hungry and off to find some pizza cut in squares.

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14th Street and Below: A DJ Bubbles Drive-By

Congratulations medfood. You have just won the award for the blogosphere's most obvious shill.

Ciao,

Paulie Gee

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14th Street and Below: A DJ Bubbles Drive-By

I have a new Pizza Favorite in West Village:

Pizza Mezzaluna
146 West Houston Street at MacDougal
212-533-1242
http://www.mezzalunany.com/
Free delivery, open late and a block from Bleecker. It's polished high-end Italian thin crust -- awesome pizza and as cheap as Pizza Box or Famous Joe's Pizza.

Salads are fresh and pasta was al dente.

I've eaten there a couple of times and now it's the favorite pizza at the office. Deliveries are fast.

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'The Syracuse Pizza Manifesto'

@dhorst Thanks for the recommendation. I'll be sure to check it out if I ever go back. Hopefully in the Summer. As far as the snow removal goes, don't try to tell that to the families of the victims of these two seperate crashes. I used to drive past that spot every morning:

http://www.bookrags.com/highbeam/speed-snow-blamed-in-i-81-crashes-20040204-hb/

Ciao,

Paulie Gee

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Uno's, Chicago's Original Deep-Dish Pizza

I grew up eating Uno's pizza. Neat place (wonder if my name is still on the wall in the back corner?) and the pizza was really good. Everyone said Duo's, down the street wasn't as good, but couldn't understand why, being the same recipe. About 20 years ago, I moved to Dallas, Texas. There was an Uno's in Addison. The flavor was similar, but the pizza was awful. I looked into it and apparently the alkalinity of the water in Texas is not the same as Chicago, so their dough wouldn't rise the same way. They used a par-baked crust, which was dry and tastless. Now they are out of business. A couple years ago, while in Chicago, a group of us went to Uno's and for whatever reason, the pizza was terrible. Whoever made them in the old days made them from scratch and must have had a special yeast growning under their fingernails or something. But what they try to pass of for an Uno's in Texas and now in Chicago just isn't the same as it used to be. What a shame! Big Bill

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'The Syracuse Pizza Manifesto'

Avicolli's on rt. 57 Liverpool (northern 'burb of Syracuse) is awesome. Much better than Gino and Joe's in my opinion. The sauce is bright, fresh and lively. Just the right amount of cheese and the crust is fairly thin with a bit of chewiness.
@pauliegee--yup that was a nasty winter. It's just one of those things we're used to and our snow removal rocks. All that salt on the road is hell on the cars though. Syracuse does have some strong Italian roots. If you're up here again, try Avicolli's for some good pizza.
@slice who cares? We happen to have some great water here in the Syracuse area. Our water comes from Skaneatles Lake; one of the most pristine lakes in the country. It's definitely not from Onondaga Lake which unfortunately became quite polluted due to industrial plants dumping crap. However it is being cleaned up.

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'The Syracuse Pizza Manifesto'

I never had pizza when I spent the 2003-2004 winter from hell working in Syracuse (http://goldensnowball.com/golden-snowball-03-04-season.htm ) but I did discover a great place for a brew and a roast beef sandwich in Armory Square called Clark's Ale House:

http://www.clarksalehouse.com/

Ciao,

Paulie Gee

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'The Syracuse Pizza Manifesto'

Syracuse I say is a great small city with GOOD water, really cheap tickets to the local sports teams, and really crummy tv ads/service.

btw Joe's pizza in whitesboro,ny (outside Utica) is da BESTEST

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Uno's, Chicago's Original Deep-Dish Pizza

An article in today's Chicago Tribune details some of the efforts by Tim Samuelson to get the true story behind the invention of deep dish pizza. Samuelson, the Cultural Historian for the City's Department of Cultural Affairs, went on a quest to settle once and for all who should get the credit for inventing deep dish pizza, Ike Sewell or Rudy Malnati. He didn't solve it, but thanks to his research, I learned a few new nuggets of Chicago pizza intel that are worth reporting.

First, I should have given more credit to Richard Novaretti, known as Ric Riccardo, who started Uno's with Ike Sewell. In fact, Uno's was originally known as The Pizzeria, a name soon changed to Riccardo's Pizzeria, which lasted until 1955. That year, the pair opened Due's and renamed their first restaurant Uno's.

Second, Uno's is located in a building that was originally a mansion built by lumber baron Nathan Mears. During the 1940s and 1950s, phone books show that Sewell, Riccardo and Malnati all lived in the mansion that also housed the restaurant.

Third, while I mentioned the tie between Gino's East and Uno's in my review of the former, I did not know that Delisi's was started by a former waitress at Uno's. Nor was I aware that Louisa's which I have yet to review for Slice was also started by a former Due's employee.

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Pizzeria Bianco: The DJ Bubbles Drive-By

I know I'm way late on this, but I missed that "Must Be From New Jersey" link that Simon referenced when it was first posted. Benlee hit the spike on the head with his SI comment. Nevertheless, those are some very funny pictures.

Ciao,

Paulie Gee

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Thin-Crust Pizza in Chicago? Yes, and It's Outstanding at Vito & Nick's

V&N is a chicago staple serving Chicago's "other style" of pizza. Any pizza head needs to give this place a try when in Chicago and see why the pizza here is so good. between Burts, Pequod's, the deep dish joints and all the places serving Chicago tavern style pizza, the wood burning oven spots, Crust and Piece and the rest im forgetting it is quite a destination pizza eating city if there is one. you could eat a good pizza from a different place in Chicagoland every day of the year. Check out my site for a updated list of the mysterious tavern style.

http://chibbqking.blogspot.com/

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Pizzeria Bianco: The DJ Bubbles Drive-By

I love food and I especially love pizza and I’ve read several of your thoughts on pizza places around the US. Have you ever tried Buzzy’s Pizza in Niagara Falls NY? I have had pizza all around this great land of ours and so far hands down the BEST. You should try it! http://www.buzzyspizza.com/

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Thin-Crust Pizza in Chicago? Yes, and It's Outstanding at Vito & Nick's

But you're completely missing my point, TRSS. It's not a "vs" thing. Can't we all just appreciate different kinds of wonderful pizza and judge them by their own merits, within their own type?

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Thin-Crust Pizza in Chicago? Yes, and It's Outstanding at Vito & Nick's

Interesting comments, Dan and Bubbles. For me, I still think that NY thin and Chi thin are so dissimilar that trying to say one is "better" is silly. It's like comparing a good corned beef on rye to a good hoagie. They're both sandwiches, but the comparison ends there.

Chi thin doesn't try to be NY thin. It is unique. NY thin has enough imitators--mostly bad, I might add.

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Thin-Crust Pizza in Chicago? Yes, and It's Outstanding at Vito & Nick's

Dan, Lombardi's, in my opinion, has really gone down in quality since my visit in 2006. I've been back several times since then and have been very disappointed which is really unfortunate, because it is America's first pizzeria.

I'm a pizza margherita/plain pie guy all the way, so to me, it is essential that crust, sauce, and cheese (and sometimes, basil and olive oil) are all on point and blend well together. Toppings - I can take them or leave them, they aren't essential on NY pies and can sometimes take away from the balance of a truly great pizza.

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Thin-Crust Pizza in Chicago? Yes, and It's Outstanding at Vito & Nick's

Garvey and Bubbles - This is outstanding stuff.

I only have a couple of thoughts to add. Because I think that Bianco is the best thin pie I've ever had absolutely does not mean that I'll think NY's best thin is superior to Chicago's best version (though I remain open to the possibility). While there are surely more crusts in New York more similar to Bianco, there are usually four parts to a good pizza - crust, sauce, cheese and toppings - and all four count. Bianco has taken the time to perfect all four and offers a balanced combination. UPN, to use one popular NYC joint, great though it may be, doesn't even offer toppings. I will be stunned if the other three elements are sufficient for me to rank it ahead of Vito & Nick's.

Rest assured, if I find that the best of NYC thin is in fact superior to the best of Chicago, I will freely admit it. While I am perfectly confident that Chicago is a vastly superior town, when NY is better, as it is in delis and public transportation, I am not too proud to say so.

Incidentally, DJ, I am curious about your opinion of Lombardi's. Here, you call it a pretender. But not too long ago, you listed it as the fifth best pie in Manhattan and Brooklyn. Since I'm sure you would not change your opinion just to try to prove a point, I'm wondering what has changed since October 2006.

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Thin-Crust Pizza in Chicago? Yes, and It's Outstanding at Vito & Nick's

Garv-man, all I want is for you to come to NY, we'll all be pals (for the weekend, after that, the war's back on), and we'll have some great pies. Doesn't get any better than that, old buddy!

Whaddya say?

Listen, I don't want endless chants of how great NY is (I already know that, provincial d*bag that I am), but I do think that a little back-and-forth between NY and Chi never hurt - especially on America's Favorite Pizza Blog.

That said, nobody wants to break out the bats and start wackin em around (well, at least I don't). You've come to the defense of Chicago just as strongly as I rep NY - and that's probably as it should be

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14th Street and Below: A DJ Bubbles Drive-By

DJ Bubbles, ya gotta try the plain slice at Village Pizza on 8th Ave and 13th St in Manhattan. One of the top slices in the city. Its a small, small place, I think they need some recognition from an enthusiast like youself.They have a great slogan to go with their little pizza shop, "They can't beat us, so eat Us!" Try a drive by!

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Thin-Crust Pizza in Chicago? Yes, and It's Outstanding at Vito & Nick's

"even the thin, bar pie served up in the chi is a separate breed than our stuff....i would say it is a different approach to making pizza more than anything, ya dig?" --DJ Bubbles

So sometimes you accept that it's simply a different dish, yet other times you insist on ranking styles as being "superior" and "inferior." Pick a side, man.

I like all kinds of pizzas. Each pizza maker puts his own interpretation into it. I have some pizza joints I like more than others. And I have some styles I like more than others. For example, I just don't dig "California style" pizza. But it is still pizza. And there are probably some here that think an arugula pizza with a beet-green bechemel on a sourdough crust is the best they've ever had. But I don't feel the need to defecate on them, telling them their xit ain't pizza and how what I like is, was, and will always rank higher.

If I had an Old Style right now, I'd gladly drink it. Italian beef is overrated. Tums--don't need 'em.

But something I have pointed out, time and time again, is the small minded NY mentality to feel the absolute need to break out the baseball bats whenever anyone suggests that there is a world outside of NY.

Look, what do you want from Daniel and everyone else? You want us to roll over, stroke you with endless chants of how NY is great, how we all bow down to your supreme greatness, how NY everything is the best and everything else is xit? Should that be the focus of Daniel's reviews--how whatever he reviews is pretty good and all but will never hold a candle to whatever DJ Bubbles likes? Doesn't that sound kinda, um, boring?

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Thin-Crust Pizza in Chicago? Yes, and It's Outstanding at Vito & Nick's

That's all fine and good, but you just don't get it. You are a parody of yourself, like many NYers. NYers always insist that their version of every last thing is THE archetype. That's what makes y'all the provincial laughingstock that you are, the butt of all jokes.

"Oh, Botswanan flatbread? Yeah, dey make dat stuff da best down in Queens."


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Thin-Crust Pizza in Chicago? Yes, and It's Outstanding at Vito & Nick's

hey bro, it was your man who said pizzeria bianco was the best thin pie he'd ever had. using PB as the gold standard, there's no question that ny's best are much more closely aligned with bianco in terms of style and quality. chris bianco grew up in the bronx, after all. nothing to really argue about, garvey, so throw down another old style after your third italian beef, house a pack of tums, and call it a night.

da bears!

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Thin-Crust Pizza in Chicago? Yes, and It's Outstanding at Vito & Nick's

Chi thin and NY thin are so dissimilar that such a comparison is foolish and worthless.

Poor Bubbles. How very NY of you, in your need to insist that your style is "better."

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