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Vegetarian Lifestyle

I think meat eaters get tired of chicken, beef, pork, et al. I know my mom cooked about 8,183,007 chickens, seemingly all in a row for a while - and I couldn't even EAT chicken till about a year after that. I'm not against occasionally having all-vegetarian meals, I like to do that a couple of times a week.

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

I think whoever said "maybe crust haters are used to store bought crusts and never had a scratch crust" might be onto something. Well-made scratch crust...OMG, nothing like it. And you KNOW that someone making a scratch crust would not waste such a labor of love on acky Sandra Lee canned filling.

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Bad dining experience?

To pick up on dbcurrie's point - as customers, we get coached on how to make a valid, intelligent complaint but I think restaurants (and all businesses for that matter) should know how to field a complaint.

If a patron complains, 9 out of 9.5 times, the restaurant did something the patron is NOT imagining to warrant this complaint. Do NOT defend. This is a lame attempt to deflect blame and it never works. Accept that the customer is not happy, take away the offending item, and make it right.

I went to an awful wedding last year. The venue was beautiful but everything went downhill fast. The "catered" food was a small, miserable array of exactly 4 items. It seemed more like a prison feeding line than a wedding buffet. But insult was about to be added to injury.

A fellow guest and good friend found a long hair in his food. His wife, having worked in restaurants, approached the manager about it. The manager came to the table and said this: "All my servers have short hair so it must have been cooked into the food back at the catering kitchen." WTF???? You don't defend your servers by throwing the catering company under the bus - it does nothing to rectify the situation. Here's what he should have said: "I'm sorry about that sir, may I assemble another plate for you from fresh trays of food?" One sentence. The manager would have a) accepted the blame, b) given the guest a workable option and c) rectified the situation. Not rocket science.

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Bad dining experience?

LOL@ Banana Monkey! I know my comment might have sounded like one made by a person who would complain like a small nuclear device but I don't do that anymore. (Did in my younger years...)

A well-worded complaint includes a) the reason a person was unsatisfied; b) a personal opinion (nicely!) and c) what could have been done to make it right. You'd be surprised how many places actually pay attention to customers' concerns that elaborate enough to make sense to the person reading the complaint. Simply saying, "The food sucked," isn't quite enough and will likely be disregarded.

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Vegetarian Lifestyle

I think meat eaters get tired of chicken, beef, pork, et al. I know my mom cooked about 8,183,007 chickens, seemingly all in a row for a while - and I couldn't even EAT chicken till about a year after that. I'm not against occasionally having all-vegetarian meals, I like to do that a couple of times a week.

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

I think whoever said "maybe crust haters are used to store bought crusts and never had a scratch crust" might be onto something. Well-made scratch crust...OMG, nothing like it. And you KNOW that someone making a scratch crust would not waste such a labor of love on acky Sandra Lee canned filling.

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Bad dining experience?

To pick up on dbcurrie's point - as customers, we get coached on how to make a valid, intelligent complaint but I think restaurants (and all businesses for that matter) should know how to field a complaint.

If a patron complains, 9 out of 9.5 times, the restaurant did something the patron is NOT imagining to warrant this complaint. Do NOT defend. This is a lame attempt to deflect blame and it never works. Accept that the customer is not happy, take away the offending item, and make it right.

I went to an awful wedding last year. The venue was beautiful but everything went downhill fast. The "catered" food was a small, miserable array of exactly 4 items. It seemed more like a prison feeding line than a wedding buffet. But insult was about to be added to injury.

A fellow guest and good friend found a long hair in his food. His wife, having worked in restaurants, approached the manager about it. The manager came to the table and said this: "All my servers have short hair so it must have been cooked into the food back at the catering kitchen." WTF???? You don't defend your servers by throwing the catering company under the bus - it does nothing to rectify the situation. Here's what he should have said: "I'm sorry about that sir, may I assemble another plate for you from fresh trays of food?" One sentence. The manager would have a) accepted the blame, b) given the guest a workable option and c) rectified the situation. Not rocket science.

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Bad dining experience?

LOL@ Banana Monkey! I know my comment might have sounded like one made by a person who would complain like a small nuclear device but I don't do that anymore. (Did in my younger years...)

A well-worded complaint includes a) the reason a person was unsatisfied; b) a personal opinion (nicely!) and c) what could have been done to make it right. You'd be surprised how many places actually pay attention to customers' concerns that elaborate enough to make sense to the person reading the complaint. Simply saying, "The food sucked," isn't quite enough and will likely be disregarded.

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marinara separating?

I didn't read all the responses but have you ever added tomato paste? I usually add one 7-ounce can of tomato paste and one tomato-paste-can of water to every 28 oz. can of whole peeled tomatoes I use. It tastes great and does not separate.

What makes marinara "marinara" is the fact that it's meatless. It's "in the style of the mariner" who needed a product that would not turn rancid when brought out to sea for long periods of time.

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Kissin' don't last, Cooking do!------Dinner November 5th?

Sorry, I have to disagree. Kissin' seems to have lasted (for my friends) long past when my cookin' do.

We had long-cooked pork with apples and mushrooms in a wine sauce. I made whipped sweet potatoes with maple syrup for the side. Also snagged a small 3 cheese foccaccia from Whole Foods which got reheated, served, and scarfed up. Cooler weather dictates stewy, soupy food and that suits me just fine. When I lived in FL, I used to pine for "a place where stew makes sense." Happy to say I now live in ATL and we have chilly Autumn weather! YAY!

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Vegetarian Lifestyle

As many vegetarian dishes as I prepare, I don't think I could ever dedicate myself to vegetarianism as a lifestyle. How many beans and tofu can a person eat?

Unless your family has a deep, burning desire to adopt a meat-free lifestyle, try eating lighter meats, chicken and fish; or making 3 days a week "non-meat/fish" days.

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Bad dining experience?

I'm a little distressed about the fact that I've gotten so picky that I'd let some subpar food get to me so badly.

So let me get this straight. You consumed a meal so bad you were able to write paragraphs about the depths of its quality - and you think you're the problem? What you describe is not being "picky." It's appreciating quality. Being picky means you'd never truly enjoy a good all-beef hot dog with so much garlic in it that you're followed by fumes after eating it. You could never swoon over a fantastic hamburger with great cheese on a perfect bun. THAT's being picky.

Your dinner sucked. You should have a) indicated this to the waitstaff; and b) filled out the comment card. Further to this, I would probably seek a chargeback from my credit card.

Do NOT settle for shitty food, then blame yourself for feeling it's shitty.

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

Yes. So much so that every T-Giving, I mix a batch of Rose Levy Beranbaum's Cheddar Pie Crust and make cookies out of it. I use gingerbread cooky cutters, brush with egg wash, sprinkle with turbinado sugar and bake. I started this tradition years ago after having made apple pie with the cheddar crust. I had leftover crust and made a few cookies. My daughter loved them and insists every year that we have them.

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100 (okay, 50) Things Restaurant Staffers Should Never Do

@lemonfair - what a great idea! What would you put on this list?

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Serious Heat: How Did You Become a Chilehead?

By eating Szechuan food with a boyfriend when I was very young. I had never even heard of it and got hooked immediately on the heat. Since then I've tested every spicy food I could get my hands on.

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The 10 Worst Food Trends? Really?

Funny, I make cheesecake pops when I have a chunk of cheesecake that's too big to toss but too small to serve on its own. First I shove a plastic spoon into a big chunk of cheesecake, then dunk it in melted chocolate, then put it in the freezer. I served a tray of these things and all I heard were moans of pleasure. (My cheesecake is made from scratch. I've seen Shamdra Lee do this where she murders a frozen cheesecake with a scoop, winding up with a cheesecake carcass.)

Re: Soup Sips - do you mean in small cups? That does seem rather silly. I like to serve "dessert bites" on Chinese porcelain spoons. Even if you have 2 it's not like wolfing down an entire dessert - but you get to have a tasty sweet in small measure.

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Holiday Baking

@PrettyNicola - Here are a few pix of the cookies.

The Dough

Cookies cooling on a speed rack.

Nekkid cookies (waiting to be iced).

Iced cookies.

I cannot stress enough - do not roll them too thin and don't overbake them. They are nice and moist and not dry and bitter.

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Food Nicknames

@onepercent99 - FWIW, I've been married 3x. If I didn't apply humor to those horrendous mistakes, I'd have thrown myself off the Empire State Building already. Don't sweat it. Those who took offense should simply disregard the comment. Those of us who had deja vu are right there with you.

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FN Chefs - ignoring food sanitation

@AuntJone - great minds, baby!!

It's not a stretch even in a busy place to keep a small steam table tray with teaspoons for sampling - and then to deposit them in the sink or in a basin of soapy water that is eventually transferred to the dishwasher.

As for a "do as we say..." disclaimer, TVFN would have to make a 30 minute crawler loop out of it to air during Sandra Lee's entire show. I'd rather it said, "Hey kids, don't try this at home."

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100 (okay, 50) Things Restaurant Staffers Should Never Do

My desire to order apps and drinks has less to do with a restaurant's bottom line as it has to do with the comfort of those of us who are waiting. I'm not "assuming" anything. If a DINNER reservation was made it stands to reason that at least one entree per diner will be ordered. This does not include salads, a la carte sides and additional cocktails. I state again with certainty that if I were ever refused seating because one member of my party was delayed, I'd go somewhere else. I'm extremely punctual to the point of OCD. If I'm on time with most of my party, I damn well better be seated or I'm happy to spend my money somewhere else. It's wise to make the customer happy under ideal circumstances but in this down economy it makes even more sense.

Sometimes the word "assume" is the most suitable to use in a particular sentence. The cutesy Felix Unger reference has become passe.

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Holiday Baking

This is my default gingerbread cooky recipe. It's Nick Malgieri's Decorated Gingerbread Cookies. I know for a fact the dough freezes beautifully because I made it one year on T-Giving weekend and baked the cookies off the second week of December for my office. I increased the recipe to make 455 gingerbread cookies.

Even gingerbread haters love these. The tip is NOT to roll them too thinly. Don't try to get three thousand cookies from one batch of dough. Roll them just around 1/4" thick and don't overbake them. They come out nice and chewy with no burnt bits. People who hate gingerbread because it's "bitter" have had cookies by someone trying to stretch the batch.

You will NOT be disappointed.

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It's Over - What candy is left, and what will you do with it?

Sorry - meant to add... We had a fantastic turnout and I saw every costume from Buzz Lightyear (with blowup wings) to a kitten, to a mummy and various ghouls and goblins.

I carved two pumpkins and the parents got the biggest charge out of them.

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It's Over - What candy is left, and what will you do with it?

My nephew lives with us so he will be allowed to pick out his favorites, then EVERYTHING goes to the office with my BF and nephew. Period. End of story. End of temptation!!

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Lost Pantry Items

I get made fun of all the time because I'm organized in the pantry to the point of OCD. The truth is that if I don't put things in the same places all the time, I wind up re-buying stuff I already own and that drives me crazy.

I have a slightly oversized closet that serves as a pantry but what I wouldn't give for an entire small room. It could hold pantry items AND kitchen electrics. Cuisinart and KitchenAid always live on the counter but for the other items, waffle maker, buffet server, etc., a room would be great.

You want to kill an hour? Peruse this site dedicated to Other People's Pantries. I like busting people for having crap in their pantries like Cake Mix and cream soups.

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100 (okay, 50) Things Restaurant Staffers Should Never Do

How would you know if drinks/ apps are going to be ordered? Should arestaurant have to deny a full party a table so an incomplete party canshare an app?

Because if a DINNER reservation was made, it's a safe assumption that DINNER will be ordered by each patron - even the one who's straggling.

Frankly, if I were to be denied a table because one member of a party or four or more was not present, I'd spend my money someplace else. It's downright rude to inconvenience diners like that. It's disrespectful - and very short sighted as I'm sure others feel as I do.

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Food Nicknames

Ricotta cheese became "ree-got," mozzarella became "mootz," and a dozen other words that used to have universal meaning suddenly became Rhode Island Italian short hand.

I love that memory of your grandma. Actually, lots of people from the northeast abbreviate ricotta as "ree-got" or "ree-goth." I had a friend who actually spoke this sentence: "I like a lot of ree-goth on my gavadeels." (Cavatelli.) My grandmother used to say "slips" for slippers and "sneaks" for sneakers - but I digress...

My dad used to make a huge bread with chunks of ham, salami and provolone, kneaded together with olive oil. He baked it in a ginormous pan. When it was presented at table, I asked, "Wow, who made that mutant bread??" It was forever after called Mutant Bread.

When my daughter was little, she couldn't say sfogliatelle. She called it "filadell." For a while, that's how we said it.

My dad worked for Polly-O Dairy for 38 years and he said "mozzie" when referring to mozzarella. Even today, that's what I call it.

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The 10 Worst Food Trends? Really?

I agree wholeheartedly with the critique of "foam." WTF???? I ordered only one dish in my life that had "foam" on it, and it looked like the chef (or maybe the waitperson) spat on my dish. It was hideous. I hope this trend dies as quickly as "vanilla lobster."

Chef as Media Whore - and who did they throw up as the photo? Rocco DiSpirito. This dude was a great cook and that ONE BLUNDER he committed called "The Restaurant" cost him about 5 years of productivity. After The Restaurant, I wouldn't pay to watch DiSpirito boil an egg. I'm sorry to say restaurant "reality" shows have not improved much. It's still drama, insults, distractions - with little attention to what the contestant is actually cooking.

Communal tables don't bother me - try getting into Joe's Shanghai in Chinatown at high lunch hour and see if you don't relent and sit at a communal table.

I think "knee-jerk" reviews are only a small problem, compared to a) inflatedly positive reviews written by the restaurant owner's brother-in-law and b) exaggeratedly horrible reviews written by someone who couldn't get a timely reservation - or worse - someone who has NEVER dined at the establishment whose food he or she is reviewing.

LBNL, the first category "onion blossoms," and the "proudly obnoxious" categories could be combined. It's all about vulgar amounts of fat and calories - and pokes fun at gluttons who go in for this sort of thing.

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FN Chefs - ignoring food sanitation

It's not uncommon for a cook to use leftover marinade as a sauce after cooking the marinade. Frankly, the bits of protein that become solid little pebbles in the marinade put me off. What I've learned to do from the outset is make two small batches of the marinade - one for the raw meat and one to use as a sauce.

Curious - did you get a response from Tuschman??

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100 (okay, 50) Things Restaurant Staffers Should Never Do

#3 has caused a lot of discussion. I've worked in a busy restaurant with 24 seats. A table for 4 is too valuable to let 3 people sit there for an hour while waiting for a fourth who is always "just around the corner."

I'm sorry but if a fourth person is expected momentarily, the party should be seated. I can see being frustrated waiting for one person when there are only 2 in the party but three people should not be standing at the entrance when only 1 is outstanding. If people are ordering drinks and appetizers while the other person makes his or her way to the restaurant, money is still being made.

From Talk

Pizza: A cure for the blues?

pizza - one of the best foods in the whole world... straight cheese pizza with a great doughy crust always does it for me.

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What's your spice aversion?

CUMIN... after 3 weeks in India a few years ago, i developed an aversion to cumin after a whole week straight of eating food seasoned with cumin. Everything tasted the same.

Now, I can't even smell it at the supermarket.

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

I agree that a higher crust-to-fruit ratio is preferable with fruit pies. The filling is often too sweet and I like a good thick crust to balance it.

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Vegetarian Lifestyle

I've been vegetarian my whole life (I was raised that way) and I think something that most people forget about is ethnic cuisine. I've found that many people who are accustomed only to American food have a very hard time cutting out meat.

In addition the the books mentioned above (Mark Bittman's is excellent for new vegetarians), check out some Indian, Thai, Middle Eastern, and Mexican cookbooks - all of these cuisines are very vegetarian-friendly and use lots of spices and bold flavors, so they're very satisfying.

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

I loooooooove pie crust unplugged, especially hot, with a glass of ice cold (whole) milk. I usually make a two crust recipe even if I just need one for a pie so I can have a special treat.

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?


Not particularly but my husband loves, loves, loves pie crust by itself.

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

@PommeDG: Knowing Robyn's mom personally... yeah, this conversations definitely happened.

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

I totally ignore the fruit - especially when its way too gooey. I'm a crust eater all the way.

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

@PommeDG: Yeah, she was....I talked to her on the phone yesterday afternoon before I wrote this post. (Can't say I have a recording of the conversation, but my coworkers overheard me.) After she told me how much she liked crust and how not into filling she was, I said something like, "Uh mom, people usually like to eat both together," and she she responded with surprise. Not that she doesn't understand that people tend to eat both together, just that her tolerance for sweetness must be so low that she's surprised most people enjoy the fillings, or something like that.

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Vegetarian Lifestyle

Try new things! Different cuisines. We make a lot of veggie burritos, rice and beans, fried rice with seitan, risotto with veggies. Vegetarian proteins like tofu and seitan (and veggie sausages, burgers and the like if that's your thing - it's definitely mine) keep much longer than meat, so they're easy to throw in the fridge for pantry meals. Beans keep even longer. There's great meals based around eggs - frittatas, eggs in purgatory, breakfast burritos.

Also, if there's multiple members of your family and some are less enthusiastic than others (or less willing to go cold turkey), you can try a "kosher kitchen" type approach. Make and stock vegetarian food around the house, but don't enforce rules outside of the house.

Neither me nor my partner is vegetarian, but we're both former longtime vegetarians (20+ years in his case, veganism in my case). We're at the point where most of our weekday meals are vegetarian simply because it's easier.

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Bad dining experience?

I think I know where you're coming from fuuchan. I don't think you're "picky", but knowing good food, you expect it to taste a certain way when you're out dining. I think sometimes the restaurant just isn't capable of putting up a dish as we expect it and I'm not sure commenting to the wait staff about it would help. It's like when you ask someone to recommend a great restaurant and they advise a certain place, saying it's fabulous. You go there and realize it just isn't. Some people just don't have high food standards. Of course that sounds snobby, but as I consider myself a fairly decent cook and savvy diner, I guess that's just the way it is.

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Vegetarian Lifestyle

@shawnamarie:
The best way to decide "what kind of vegetarian" you'd like to be based on your motivations.

@Madyln f. karma free - I like some of your links. You should consider including a Pescetarianism on your list :D

>> I choose this eating-pattern on occasion to cleanse

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

When you told her, your mother was suprised that people like to eat filling and crust together?!? :-| Shouldn't an artifice at least serve a purpose and be a little less obviously contrived?

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Vegetarian Lifestyle

I would have to say that the most important thing is to keep a balanced diet eating a variety of vegetables, grains, and legumes prepared in a variety of ways. The worst thing that people can do is assume that as long as they are eating vegetarian it is healthy. Also, I eat beans in some form pretty much everyday. I could never tire of them. They are delicious and you can do so many things with them. YUM!

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

I heart pie crust. I usually eat the fruit filling first leaving the pie crust to enjoy last. When I have leftover pie dough scraps, I end up putting dabs of Nutella in and making mini turnovers.

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Vegetarian Lifestyle

I applaud you for deciding to follow a more natural, vegetarian lifestyle. These links might help you out...

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Bad dining experience?

Any place can make a mistake or send out a wrong dish. It happens. And sometimes you just don't like the way a place makes a particular dish. To me, the way a place handles a complaint can be more important than that the mistake was made in the first place.

For example, at one restaurant that we otherwise enjoyed, a waiter argued with me when I said he brought the wrong dish. "See, I wrote it down here. This is what you ordered." First, it was an illegible scribble, second, what he wrote doesn't mean it was what I said, and third, I'd been thinking all day about the other dish that I really wanted, so I was darned sure what I ordered. But he disagreed, and that was the end of that.

At another place with the same situation, the waitress apologized, packed up the wrong dish to go (there was nothing wrong with it, but it just wasn't what I wanted at the time) and put in a rush order for the new dish. The owner came over and apologized and comped our drinks. The server who brought the new dish also apologized. I left there perfectly happy, and with free lunch for the next day.

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Bad dining experience?

I think what I fear is coming off as a food snob. I like good food, but I don't want to scoff at low brow stuff either.
There were families all around us that seemed like regulars and were really going at their meals with a gusto.

The waiters were so earnest I felt bad about what I was really thinking.

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

Oh I have been doing this for years! I used to joke that I performed "stealth surgery" on pies because I could hit the dessert table at family Christmases or Thanksgivings and remove 2 slices worth of crust, leaving behind most of the filling, and no one realized what I was doing:)
If fillings are made with good, fresh fruit and not loaded w/ sugar, I'll eat them. But all too often, I'd take a bite and realize the apple or cherry filling was canned. Not wasting calories on that, thanks!

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

I also love pie crust and save it for last. On the rare occasion that my mom made pies from scratch, she'd roll out the scraps and do the sugar/cinnamon thing as a few people above described. I liked that better than the pie.

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Kissin' don't last, Cooking do!------Dinner November 5th?

Confession-
Got home late and didn't feel like cooking. Ordered a take and bake pizza.
Got home. Discovered oven isn't working. Returned to take and bake and asked them to fire it in there oven.
We all got a chuckle out of it (pizza guy, customers and me..well, not really me.)

Called service repair man this morning......phhhttt!

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Vegetarian Lifestyle

@therealchiffonade While I am inclined to agree with you, it is strange that we feel tired, or think we will feel tired, of beans/tofu, but never seem to think that way about chicken/beef. I think most people's meat consumption is probably as unvaried as the popular, but perhaps incorrect, view of a vegetarian's protein consumption.

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

My mom is completely the opposite. She'll eat the filling and maybe half of the top crust, and leave the rest for the dog!

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

When we were young, my grandmother always dusted the pie crust with cinnamon sugar and baked them. Those toasty, crispy, lightly sweet bites were always my favorite part of the pie making process.

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Do You Like Eating Pie Crust By Itself?

I love pie crust. I always save the crust for last.

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Location: HOTlanta! (Or CHILLAnta lately!)

About: I frequently refer to myself as a "One Trick Pony," that trick being cooking. I also love Alternative Rock and hanging with my dog and BF.

Favorite foods: Depends on the day, the season, the mood.

Last bite on earth: Italian Sunday Gravy, just like my mom made it, preferably a meatball.