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Alice Waters–Edible Schoolyard Takedown in the 'Atlantic Monthly': Wrong, Wrong, Wrong

There's nothing wrong with teaching kids about nutrition, and as far that goes, I'm all in favor of kids having a garden - among many other things, it's a great biology lesson. The problem is that her main impetus seems to be to indoctrinate the kids into her superstition that foods grown "naturally" are somehow better for them than the stuff they can find in any supermarket.

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Great Lake Too Busy for Its Shirt

What does that even mean? There's nearly 10 million people in Chicago, so statistically we probably do have "some of the worst pizza in the nation, and some of the worst customers." But of course, so would New York, or Providence, or anywhere else. I've been all across the country, and proportionally we have better pizza than most any area, and while I've never owned a pizza store, so can't comment on "customers" Chicago residents tend to be nicer than, say, those of NYC.

Personally, I think Great Lakes pizza is pretty darn good, but perhaps they're getting a bit snobbish? Just because a place can't trace the genealogy of their sausage, and manages to serve pizza until a normal closing time doesn't mean they can't make delicious pies.

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Serious Green: Which Foods Travel the Farthest?

@producestories - I'm not kidding myself about anything. Increased exports in those countries help everyone. To the extent that life has improved in any of those countries, it's directly related to their ability to participate in global trade. Further, it's a bit disingenuous to lump Guatemala in with Mexico and China. According to wikipedia, agriculture accounts for a full 1/4 of it's GDP, and 3/4 of it's exports. As for the huge agricultural conglomerates, they hire workers, buy supplies, use services, and pay taxes in those countries.

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Alice Waters–Edible Schoolyard Takedown in the 'Atlantic Monthly': Wrong, Wrong, Wrong

There's nothing wrong with teaching kids about nutrition, and as far that goes, I'm all in favor of kids having a garden - among many other things, it's a great biology lesson. The problem is that her main impetus seems to be to indoctrinate the kids into her superstition that foods grown "naturally" are somehow better for them than the stuff they can find in any supermarket.

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Great Lake Too Busy for Its Shirt

What does that even mean? There's nearly 10 million people in Chicago, so statistically we probably do have "some of the worst pizza in the nation, and some of the worst customers." But of course, so would New York, or Providence, or anywhere else. I've been all across the country, and proportionally we have better pizza than most any area, and while I've never owned a pizza store, so can't comment on "customers" Chicago residents tend to be nicer than, say, those of NYC.

Personally, I think Great Lakes pizza is pretty darn good, but perhaps they're getting a bit snobbish? Just because a place can't trace the genealogy of their sausage, and manages to serve pizza until a normal closing time doesn't mean they can't make delicious pies.

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Serious Green: Which Foods Travel the Farthest?

@producestories - I'm not kidding myself about anything. Increased exports in those countries help everyone. To the extent that life has improved in any of those countries, it's directly related to their ability to participate in global trade. Further, it's a bit disingenuous to lump Guatemala in with Mexico and China. According to wikipedia, agriculture accounts for a full 1/4 of it's GDP, and 3/4 of it's exports. As for the huge agricultural conglomerates, they hire workers, buy supplies, use services, and pay taxes in those countries.

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Serious Green: Which Foods Travel the Farthest?

My thoughts: I'm glad I can eat a wide range of delicious produce any time of the year.

One more: Agricultural products are some of the few exports from a lot these countries. Every piece of cauliflower I buy makes those people a little richer.

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Why The Hate For Alice Waters?

@MK
Supagold is actually a him, not a her. ;)

I've heard the argument that organic farming can actually increase yields per acre (and also that yields can be as low as half that gotten from conventional agriculture), but I'm skeptical. If organic food production could really be more efficient than conventional agriculture, then why doesn't it dominate the market? You point to one good reason in your post - that it requires large amounts of expensive human labor.

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Why The Hate For Alice Waters?

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I don't understand any of your arguments. How are we missing the point? We get that she is promoting "healthy, local, organic food accessible to all". The point is that that simply isn't feasible.

"And if it were accessible to all, cost would be a lesser factor because more would be available."

Precisely how does this work? By necessity, Organic food is less intensive than normal agriculture, meaning that for each given acre, you get less food. If we're talking local here, then for however you define "local", that means that you are somehow going to try to feed more people from a smaller food supply for less cost. Does this sound feasible?

No one's criticizing her for providing great food, or arguing the fact that high-quality vegetables taste better. However, I believe there is some justification for the idea that she's promoting a false "social awareness", based on her head-in-the-clouds ideas about how the world works. That seems pretty elitist to me...

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Why The Hate For Alice Waters?

"Does Alice Waters deserve this maelstrom of ill will—or is she a well-intentioned activist who’s been made an unfair target? Is she really “out of touch”? And does it matter if she is?"

The first question is a false dichotomy. How does being "a well-intentioned activist" who also happens to be wrong, make her an "unfair target"? She's clearly someone who has a public voice on these issues, shouldn't she be held accountable for the views she espouses? When people say that she's an example of a limousine liberal, this is exactly what they mean. Someone who is out of touch with reality, advocating policies with real human cost, then when you call them on the effects of their polices, they hide behind the suggestion that at least they had good intentions. I'm not saying she should be lynched, but just as with speakers on the right, she deserves no special protection from ridicule when she spouts ridiculous ideas.

My personal opinion is that she absolutely is out-of-touch. Does anyone remember the book "The Population Bomb"? This was a book from the 60s that predicted massive famines, 100s of millions of people starving to death in the 70s and 80s. That fate was averted largely because of modern agricultural techniques. GM modified foods like "golden rice" have the potential to avert 500,000 cases of irreversible blindness due to Vitamin A deficiency each year. Meanwhile, there is not good evidence that the standard vegetables that most people access to in their grocery store are anything but good for them. Further, there are serious questions about the actual environmental benefits of locally grown produce.

So what's the tradeoff? We have the local food movement. It's intellectually appealing, but what are the actual, provable, benefits? Our modern produce distribution system manages to provide a vast array of nutritious produce, from all over the world, at prices that average families can afford. Locally-sourced/traditionally grown foods, are great at creating premium quality, however they also necessarily entail relatively increased cost (including the opportunity cost associated with acquiring the food). That's great for people who desire the quality, and can afford it, but is unnecessarily scaring people into trading more of their scarce resources for fewer vegetables really helping them? The extra money they save might be better spent purchasing books for their children, or repairs for the family car. So does it matter? I think it does.

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Cook the Book: Classic Ground Beef with Guajillo Chiles

Yeah, this looks good, but how much and what kind of tomatoes?

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Cook the Book: Country Ribs with Hoisin Sauce

What's the unit of measurement on the ginger? TBSP, I'm guessing...

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Food Safety: A Change Is Gonna Come, But How Soon?

You know, for someone who's constantly going on about how great local, organic, artisanal, etc food is, you'd think you'd be really worried about this bill. It's basically CPSIA for food. Just like with that bill, the NYT isn't giving the full story. If this bill passes, it'll probably kill a lot of the businesses that create the food you like. I could go on, but the guys over at the lawblog popehat have already done a much better job. Check them out here:

http://www.popehat.com/2009/03/09/you-are-why-i-cannot-eat-good-things/

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Coat Check Tipping in the Recession

I don't get the issue... Did you lose your job? Are you making less money now, or are afraid you might lose your job in the near future? If no to all these questions, why are you spending less money? Spending less money because the economy is "bad" doesn't seem to make much sense. All you're doing is removing money you could (and according to your post, normally would) spend from the economy, thereby making the economy, as a whole, ever so slightly worse.

Unless you have some rational financial reason not to spend, I don't see a reason not to live normally...

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