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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

I love sourdough. I think it is so much better than many other types of bread. And I live in a country where there are plenty of good types of bread!

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1. fresh chimichurri with herbs from the garden, for steak
2. home-made rub, for other meat & poultry
3. home-made spicy yoghurt sauce, mainly for shrimps
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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

I love sourdough. I think it is so much better than many other types of bread. And I live in a country where there are plenty of good types of bread!

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Cook the Book: 'Mario Batali Italian Grill'

1. fresh chimichurri with herbs from the garden, for steak
2. home-made rub, for other meat & poultry
3. home-made spicy yoghurt sauce, mainly for shrimps
And why?
These are just the BEST! And fresh goes over anything that comes in a bottle or jar.

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

For centuries, the only breads available were sourdough breads. Commercial yeast is a rather new invention in relation to the history of bread. Why anyone would bad mouth sourdoughs,shows that they have no knowledge or respect for the art and science of bread baking.

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

OK, this is the thing with sourdough. The regular yeast thats used in regular bread, such as back on the east coast and many other parts of the country (and the world) wouldnt raise the bread out in california. ( back when california was first being settled) so they had to use a different type of bacteria (yeast) to make the bread rise. It has to do with whats in the water. This yeast made the bread taste sour. Hence the name sourdough. This also made cooks make totally different recipes for Pizza etc. I love breads and pasts. So for my own taste I like pizza and breads back east like in Pennsylvania, or new york. I live in Utah now and they dont have any breads or pizzas that I like. So Im not happy (but I'll live)

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

i love sourdough... actually I didn't like it when I first tried it, too tangy for my kiddy tastebuds at the time. But, now that my pallate has evolved, the ones I've had recently are not even as tangy as I remember the original being... they just taste like regular white bread.

I don't know how this rates with Bay Area dwellers, but I liked the Boudin sandwiches I had the last time I was in SF.

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

I live in Darwin, Australia, and work in a bakery and I've got to say, sourdough is my favourite type of bread that we make there. Actually it is my favourite type of anything we make there. You know a bread is good when a seventeen year old girl chooses it over a brownie or a cream bun!

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SF sourdough isn't ideal for everything but just because you can get a passable (not great, but passable) loaf at every supermarket on the west coast doesn't mean that it has ruined every other kind of bread. I live in NYC and don't think that the lack of good bread in local markets and bakeries is because of all the rye bread baked in the area. I think his anger is really misplaced on this one. Of course, I also have no idea who he is or why I should care about his opinion so whatever.....

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

There are various degrees of "sour" in sourdough breads. SF Sourdough is defined by a tartness that a French sourdough doesn't have. Starters that are rye based tend to be much more bitter than starters made with wheat. All too often in commercial bakeries all across the world, when a baker makes sourdough he/she is also using a flavour enhancer that is intended to up the "tang factor". As the proud caretaker of several home grown starters, I have a few that are very sour but I also have a few that make breads that have such a subtle tang that you would never know it was a sourdough based bread. It is all about the starter...

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IT'S HARD TO GET GOOD BREAD IN THE SAN FRANCISCO BAY AREA???????

surely, SURELY you jest. i have lived in new york for 12 years and i STILL miss the wonderful bread in the bay area, especially berkeley -- semi freddi's, acme, grace, and the cheese board, to name just a few of the absolutely world class bread makers there. new york's got a lot of catching up to do, imho.

i don't much care for the touristy kind of sour sourdough bread, but the "levain" that is used to make the baguettes at the cheeseboard and semi freddi's produces some incomparably delicious baguettes.

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

I don't really care for bread, especially dark breads. The only kind of bread that I find tolerable has been baked within a few hours. That said, I actually miss dearly sour dough bread. The only place I've been able to find sour dough bread regularly in metro Cleveland is the craptastic bread Trader Joe sells. No thanks. I love sour dough bread too much. I can get rye everywhere here, but I can't stand rye.

For a month every summer for 20 years, my mother and I would vacation in SF to escape the heat. I ate crab sandwiches on sour dough bread every single day with a bowl of soup. What bliss!

Sour dough bread works with everything, if you like it a lot. :P It's the only bread I truly enjoy with rare roast beef, along with Best Foods mayo, alfalfa sprouts, cucumbers, and a dab of yellow mustard. Yum! It's great with lox or even with banana and honey sandwiches. It's wonderful in bread pudding too!

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ok....thanks all....now i'm freakin starvin......for some nice sourdough bread.....guess i gotta go to publix an get some.....i dont think i'd like sourdough bread dipped in olive oil.....but it makes a great stuffing for a turkey !!!

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Not that crazy about sourdough - I would never seek it out - but if it's good and it's fresh I enjoy it.

A severely underrepresented bread is salt-rising bread. It does not have that many "applications" (lol) but it makes the best toast in the world.

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I absoluty love sourdough - for anything - including French Toast and Bread Pudding. It makes FABULOUS sandwiches. I was born and raised in Oakland and my family owned a big Italian restaurant - so I grew up on sourdough. Sourdough is always my first choice. On the other hand, I absolutely hate rye bread. Yuk.

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sourdough is excellent in almost every application! SF sourdough is famous because of their particular wild yeast. back in the early days of bread, before commercial processes were developed for baker's and instant yeast, every bread was sourdough because the only way to grow the yeast culture was through capturing wild yeast. SF had a particularly nice strain, and that's why they have such a wonderful bread culture there. anyone who complains that sourdough isn't appropriate for certain cheeses or wines really needs to check themselves -- a lot of these cheeses were developed to be paired with sourdough, the only bread available at the time anywhere in the world.

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

I'm going to assume that the problem with this statement is one of terminology, rather than ignorance. I believe the author has an issue with the flavor and versatilty of San Francisco sourdough, rather than sourdough breads in general.

'Sourdough' breads are simply breads made with natural ferments rather than from commercial yeasts. They can range from very sour tasting to not at all sour, depending on the ratio of lactic acid (mild-flavored) to acetic acid (sour) producing bacteria in the culture. Breads made with natural ferments tend to have more complex flavor profiles and texture and keep longer than straight yeasted breads.

'San Francisco sourdough' is made using a culture containing a bacterium (Lactobacillus sanfrancisco, natch) that is dominant in the local microflora of the Bay Area, and is a strong producer of acetic acid.

As for the idea that sourdough breads are "sour because in the US, particularly in San Francisco, it's hard to buy good bread", I have no idea what that is supposed to mean.

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

Listen folks... I'm very good friends with the fine folks over at www.sandwichreport.com
So if anyone knows sandwiches trust me... its me?
That was an awkward sentence. Anywho, I digress...
Sourdough is perfectly acceptable for sandwiches. In fact it can be downright delicious.
The key to a good sandwich using sourdough is a) start with a loaf that has a soft spongy interior with a crusty exterior and b) use solid ingredients that stand up to the distinct flavor of the bread. Using bad ingredients with sourdough would be like pairing a prime cut new york steak with a glass of champagne fresh out of a box!

I offer this:
-Large slices of fine quality sourdough.
-Slices of medium to sharp cheddar.
-Sliced Roast Beef
-Mustard
-Horseradish Mayo
-Red Onion
-Fresh Sliced Tomatoes
-A few bitter greens (Arugula or Radicchio)

And Voila! You have a sourdough sandwich fit for a king.

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I feel sorry for folks who don't like sourdough - I've been turning myself upside down and inside out trying to develop a starter with just the right tang - I've got a loaf proofing in the kitchen, and just can't wait to get the thing in the oven and find out what it will be like. It has been so much fun, feeding these little starters, and watching them become more and more vigorous. I agree with gb944 about crab, butter, and sourdough bread, but like a big glug of cocktail sauce, or lacking that, my own counterfeit made with a good organic catsup and Beaver company horseradish (made in Beaverton, Oregon) on top - with a cold beer. I prefer Dungeness crab, my husband is partial to snow crab. Sourdough makes it even better than it is by itself! Oh, and a sourdough bread, chopped olive, and cream cheese sandwich (haven't had one in ten years or so, but, yum!) And, sourdough bread makes lovely toast, with a good apricot jam. So, lighten up - some of us actually love it that we can find sourdough all over the place in SF, we just wish it was as good in other locales.

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

To echo the above: no good bread in the bay? Are you high? I've missed nothing more since moving to NY as the bread from back home, particularly the sourdough. I finally found a decent loaf at the Union Square GM and ate half of it in one sitting.

Hell, I grew up eating french toast made with sourdough. If you love it, you get it. I wouldn't eat rye bread on a bet. Doesn't mean I'm going to tell someone who likes it that they have no taste and don't know anything about good bread. And like someone upthread said, not everything labeled "sourdough" is actually sourdough.

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

This person is crazy! Sourdough is perfect for breakfast and can't be substituted in a BLT.

The argument should have been that most "sourdough" in restaurants is just white bread with a fancy name. There is no mistaking a piece of real sourdough bread, and it is sublime.

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

One of my favorite memories, growing up on the California coast, was a meal I made of a half loaf of sourdough bread, a half a cracked crab and a stick of butter. That was when I knew that I was a foodie, through and through.

Sourdough can be really great bread, especially when it has good crust and good crumb. Some of the sourness can get kind of overpowering, but there is little to compare with garlic bread made from sourdough and a fresh bowl of chili.

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

sourdough is the most perfect bread for anything! toasted with butter,hollowed out with soup inside ,sandwich fixin's or anything else! i also go to to the warf and get a loaf anytime i am in SF. it always makes me happy.

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All I've learned over the years in NY, PA, and IN (Pittsburgh and Bloomington, if you really want to know specifics) is that if you want to find good bread you've got to hit everywhere. Leave no stone unturned. Sometimes that challah you love from Bakery X is spot on every time, but those loaves at Bakery Y can be mind-numbingly insane in comparison.

I found the same to be true of sourdough when I went looking, same with baguettes and other varieties. Besides, in most places you have no shortage of options! Well, so long as independent bakeries and whatnot are thriving. I should find a few around Bloomington, come to think of it.

Besides, if you want fun in Pittsburgh grab a friend with a car, see if anyone else wants to go compare some bakeries, and say you're buying $5 worth of samples for everyone at each. I did it for my recital and, truth be told, it was a hell of an afternoon. You end up all over Pittsburgh, from the Italian bakery all the way in Monroeville close to the old Media Play and Outback, the cheap, homey places in Shadyside, the various offerings in Squirrel Hill...crazy stuff.

Then you follow it up with a beer run, of course. Take your pick. ;)

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

First of all, I take a lot of offense at the "good bread being particularly hard to find in SF" comment...wha? As other have mentioned, there is plenty of great bread to be found here. Maybe there is a lot of sourdough being "pushed" (including the airport of course) but jeez, that doesn't mean there's a dearth of any other kind of bread. And personally I love sourdough, for the record :)

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

I think, as others have said, sourdough and other breads each have their own time and place.

I happen to think sourdough makes great breakfasts and love the "toad in the hole" with sourdough best. I also think with the right cheese it makes great grilled cheese.

Try living in small town Ohio before complaining about finding good bread!

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Do I live in the same bay area???? Hard to find good bread???

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It's Friday and I think a lot of folks on this link need a drink.

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Sourdough Doesn't Always Mean 'Good'

Ugh...no? Bad sourdough exists PROPORTIONATELY to bad bread, in general. Yeah, in SF, you'll find it on every corner, but that's a different story completely. And to my belief, the best breads always taste better plain (no will one agree with me, but that is my belief), so that doesn't discount sourdough for me. I do like regular baguettes and wheat better, but I acknowledge that a good sourdough can be delicious, and there are just SO many good ones! I live near Berkeley, and there's Acme, Semifreddi's, La Brea (via Lucky), La Farine, Grace...

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