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ELE Local: My Quarrels with NY Mag Cheap Eats
Hi Ed. I have never been to Celeste or Bianca, but I'm now curious to check them both out. My new favorite cheap Italian/pizzeria is Bella Vita, located right next door to The New York Times. Try it. I think you'll have a new favorite on your list!
Thanks,
Shari
The State(s) of Fried Clams
Hi Ed. Starting on Memorial Day, Monday, May 29th, HQ (90 Thompson Street, between Spring and Prince Streets; 212.966.2755; www.hqrestaurant.com), will be a hosting weekly CLAM BAKE on MONDAYS from 5-10 PM. For $37.50 per person, guests can indulge in Executive Chef/Owner Terrence Cave's 3-course Clam Bake menu, which includes choice of New England Clam Chowder or Mixed Green Salad; a savory 2nd course of 1 1/2 pound of steamed lobster served with Ipswich Clams, Mussels, Chorizo, Corn on the Cob, New Potatoes and Drawn Butter; and for dessert, either fresh Key Lime Pie with Crème Chantilly or homemade Valrhona Chocolate Pudding with Caramelized Bananas. It's a weekly feast for all seafood lovers! I hope you will check it out.
Thanks,
Shari
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My Top Ten NYC Slices
Bella Vita. It's the best! And it's conveniently located right next door to The New York Times on 43rd Street.
ELE Local: My Quarrels with NY Mag Cheap Eats
Hi Ed. I have never been to Celeste or Bianca, but I'm now curious to check them both out. My new favorite cheap Italian/pizzeria is Bella Vita, located right next door to The New York Times. Try it. I think you'll have a new favorite on your list!
Thanks,
Shari
The State(s) of Fried Clams
Hi Ed. Starting on Memorial Day, Monday, May 29th, HQ (90 Thompson Street, between Spring and Prince Streets; 212.966.2755; www.hqrestaurant.com), will be a hosting weekly CLAM BAKE on MONDAYS from 5-10 PM. For $37.50 per person, guests can indulge in Executive Chef/Owner Terrence Cave's 3-course Clam Bake menu, which includes choice of New England Clam Chowder or Mixed Green Salad; a savory 2nd course of 1 1/2 pound of steamed lobster served with Ipswich Clams, Mussels, Chorizo, Corn on the Cob, New Potatoes and Drawn Butter; and for dessert, either fresh Key Lime Pie with Crème Chantilly or homemade Valrhona Chocolate Pudding with Caramelized Bananas. It's a weekly feast for all seafood lovers! I hope you will check it out.
Thanks,
Shari
The State(s) of Fried Clams
Having grown up on Boston's North Shore I can comfortably state that the best fried clams on the planet are served at the Choate Bridge Pub in Ipswich, MA. Once you have tasted them, you will thank me.
The State(s) of Fried Clams
My wife and I read the July issue of NH magazine, and saw the Best of NH Editors Choice for "Best Clams Inland" - The Dipsy Doodle in Northfield, NH. It's right off exit 19 of Route 93 - Just below Tilton. She loves fried clams and since I spent my summers growing up at the ocean on the North Shore of Massachusetts, I know good fried clams!
The Dipsy Doodle is a real old style Clam Shack / Dairy Bar Restaurant. You can eat inside or outside, we ate outside because it was a nice day and not too warm.
The clams were Ipswich and the coating was good and tasty, but not too thick to overpower the sweetness of the clam itself. We got the plate, meaning it came with French fries and their homemade Cole slaw. For an extra 75 cents each my wife upgraded to sweet potato fries, and I got homemade onion rings - both were really good.
We also noticed on the menu that their lobster rolls could be purchased cold or hot (drizzled with butter). The people sitting at the next table had ordered them and said they were all lobster, no celery or filler.
We didn't try the ice cream cones but I did have a black and white frappe with my meal and it was thick and tasty.
All in all we would say the Dipsy Doodle was a hit with our family and since it's only a half hour from where we live, I'm sure we will return.
Jeff
Plymouth, NH
My Top Ten NYC Slices
Brooklyn: Di Fara's is a masterpiece, as is Totonno's. Joe's in Park Slope is atrocious.
Spumoni Gardens somewhere in the middle.
UWS: I like V & T Pizzeria near Columbia University on Amsterdam Ave. Also Sal & Carmine walking distance from Symphony Space on Broadway.
The State(s) of Fried Clams
Have to agree with Baha... Ken's Place in Scarborough, Maine... natives would refer to it as Pine Point... fried clams are terrific and I never leave the restaurant without a clamcake or two. But some of the very best fried clams I've ever had (and I grew up on the southern coast of Maine) are at a little shack in Wells... The Fisherman's Catch. Orgasmic!!!
The State(s) of Fried Clams
Ate at The Bite in Menemsha today and would now put them at the top of my life's list of good fried clams.
Agreed that there isn;t enough salt in most clam flour, but The Bite's seemed just right. Perfecto in fact.
The State(s) of Fried Clams
Hi
There is a clamshack called Arnolds on the cape near Eastham or Orleans ( located on Route 6 ) that has fanastic fried clams and seafood. It is definatleyt worth a trip. It ranks right up there with Lennys in CT and Kens Place in ME.
The State(s) of Fried Clams
Thanks for the tips. I live in Colorado and there is no where to find anything close to a fried belly clam. I grew up near Saybrook, CT and we always went to J. Ad's for clams.
I'm in Boston next week on a biz trip. Last time there, I was disappointed. Between the airport and Chelmsford (where I have to stay) is there any chance of great fried clams and/or steamers?
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Joe's in Park Slope? Really? A painfully average slice of your typical "i'm drunk and need some cheap, greasy food" pizza. How can this possibly be on the list when No. 28 Carmine in the West Village and Lucali's in Carroll Gardens is left off? How dare you?
The State(s) of Fried Clams
Hey Ed,
I have to join you in that love for fried clams. I left new england 34 years ago and always gorge myself on the fried clam delicacy when I return for infrequent visits. I have dined at 2 of your favorite places on the list. Both have exceedingly good nuggets of the goodies. Both "The Clam Box" and "Farnhams" have provided the delicious clams for my consuming.
Now having lived in Hawaii for the last 24 years I have often longed for the tasty morsels. I'm going to try to mail order them into the state!!! "Diggers Choice" says they can ship them over to me.
http://www.diggerschoice-seafood.com/Fried-Seafood/
I'll let you know how it turns out.
Joe the surfdog Abramo.
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Makanmata wrote:
"The De Marco kids seem entirely unashamed to serve garbage food, made with little or no care, and served with little or no pride. Unlike every other pizza place in town without a pizza maestro to learn from, these guys have no excuse. They know how to make a quality product, but don't care to bother to do so. There is nothing sadder in this world than unfulfilled potential, and De Marco is the absolute personification of it."
Incredibly and entirely arrogant commentary, even though I would agree that De Marco's makes a sub-par slice. What makes you think that, intrinsically, Dom's kids have the talent to make a pizza anywhere near as good as papa, even if they were trying?
As far as I know, Dom has absolutely nothing to do with this operation whatsoever.
Makanmata further ponticates:
"So, I would suggest that the use of the term âgarbageâ is not unwarranted vitriol, but if anything, speaks too softly in the face of the threat that the acceptance of mediocrity poses to our food and culture. The loss of quality food is a very real threat to our quality of life, and while some people might not think it worthy of invoking strong words, I simply donât agree. By maintaining a sense of passion about our food, we have a chance to win the fight against mediocrity, and preserve the precious little food culture we have left here."
Thanks for this bullshit global culinary commentary.
ELE Local: My Quarrels with NY Mag Cheap Eats
Right you are, Moth 23 of the Chowhound byways. I've also heard amazing things about some guy who doles Korean street food out of a cart somewhere on the Lower East Side. Having eaten tons of streetfood in Seoul, I'm dying to find this guy. We need more Korean street food in NYC: sweet round pastries shaped like small hubcaps that I like to call "machisoyo burgers", sweet corn, an outer space type version of corn dogs wherein the dog is covered with fries that shoot out in every direction like a fast food version of Sideshow Bob, and, yes, even dixie cups full of worms. We need more food that we avoid looking at while we're eating in NYC.
For that matter, how can any list of cheap eateries in this town be complete without at least giving mention to Mei Lei Wah coffee shop, purveyors of the legendary combination bun filled with chewy goodness, and a cup of coffee bound to set your heart-a-beatin' like a superball in a malfunctioning airvac.
ELE Local: My Quarrels with NY Mag Cheap Eats
Anyone who is referred to by any other person in the world as "the Arepa Lady under the Roosevelt Avenue El" is herewith deserving of immediate attention and potentially a novelistic and/or cinematic treatment. Am I the only one riveted and amazed that such a person can exist? What must New York City look like from her daily experience? What would she think about a bunch of people discussing the merits of oregano-laden slices of pizza over the internet? Are there really this many parallel worlds within our own city? Of course, there must be, and many, many more.
Arepa Lady under the Roosevelt Avenue El for President!
My Top Ten NYC Slices
Here's my toss-in, not necessarily to include on a 10 best list, but, oh....let's say it should be included on an "underrated" or "underappreciated" list of NY pizzerias. The place is called Dani's House of Pizza, located in an almost surreal kaddy-corner space buttressing the back of a Long Island railroad station in Kew Gardens. The slice, at least when I have eaten it, has always been fresh, crisp, thin but juicy, and loaded with the kind of flavor that emphasizes an oregano-laden, slightly sweet sauce. The cozy counter faces an ice box full of beers with exotic, cartoonish labels, so why not down one while you have a slice or two. Not only is this joint a half-block away from one of NYC's last remaining art house cinemas (the Kew Gardens Cinema), but, lo and behold, it's right across the street from neighborhood newcomer and mini-chain Singha's Famous. (Hey...what the hell...why not make a night out of it?) Better yet, take advantage of the Lefferts Boulevard location to grab a pie or two on your way to the airport. Who says you can't get a good slice in Queens? As for Ed's list, I can't quibble, having been to at least half of the places listed, but, hey, i like to champion the little guys. That said, how about a shout-out for the often brilliant sicilian slice at Spumoni Gardens?
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with all due apologies to EL:
list, like most, written with bias; & unfortunately loses ALL credibilty by INcluding sal & carmine's, & leaves all others on the "list" very suspect as to quality.
sal & carmines is a very average-to-below-average slice or pizza that one can purchase at any ANY pizza joint anywhere, on any block, & resembles a piece of cardboard with cheap cheese & canned tomato sauce!
as one of the above posters aptly points out: "what is the attraction of sal & carmines???"
ELE Local: My Quarrels with NY Mag Cheap Eats
I have been to Nick's, in Forest Hills, two times now, and I wouldn't even put it in the top twenty, let alone the top five. Believe me, if I really agreed with this assessment, I would be more than happy to have one of the top 5 NY Pizza joints right in my neighborhood. Not that it's a top ten finalist, but I would encourage y'all to check out a little zig zag caddycorner joint in Kew Gardens called Danis. They make a tastey, crisp oregano-laced slice with a twinge of sweetness that goes down nice with any number of whacked out beers that face you on as you sit at the counter. Yet more proof that pizza is not dead in Queens. I'm also not too crazy about the East Village Arepa place. Cheap as it is, I find it overpriced. I hear great things about the Arepa Lady under the Roosevelt Avenue El, though. Corona way. Something tells me the real thing still awaits. Then again, who is my palette to argue with yours, NY Magazine?
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We're forgetting something here - Dom's "kids" are barely involed in DeMarco's anymore. First of all, the primary investor/restaurateur was somebody outside the family - the kids were only somewhat involved, and did not and do not have control. Second - none of the kids work there very much at all. DeMarco's is wildly erratic - sometimes they turn out a pretty good slice, but sometimes it's pretty lousy. Third, the ingredients are not identical to DiFara - because DeMarco's can't afford it - I have heard this from the horses' mouths. They have a big fat rent to pay.
Anybody who says it's 90% of what DiFara is (with all due respect to Josh) either just got freakishly lucky every time they went, or they're caught up in the idea that it's Dom's kids (which it hardly is).
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Jozersky, Some people have a passion for politics, others for religion, but my passion is reserved for food, and its deteriorating state in this City and our Nation. I'm sorry if my attitude bums you out -- it is not my intention or desire at all -- but I am bummed out by people's acceptance of mediocrity, and even more by the elevation of that mediocrity to a position of respect and admiration. Personally, I have no tolerance at all for mediocrity, and less still for those who foist off inferior quality products with special bravado and hype. Such attitudes, in my own opinion, only serve to guarantee that the status quo is maintained, and the sorry state of our cuisine allowed to freely continue its disintegration.
So, I call it like I see it, and to me -- with apologies in advance to you -- De Marco pizza is "garbage." I mean this not only in the figurative sense, but also in the very literal meaning of the word, in that many a De Marco pie -- I have given them many, many chances -- has wound up in the garbage due to our unwillingness to consume it.
For whatever its worth, the sauce is simply not the same -- and as you probably know, Dom's sauce is not the same on a day to day basis due to his picking and choosing the best available ingredients on any given day or season -- regardless of what the kids might say to invoke Dom's aura. Rather, it is an expedient, commercial version of Dom's sauce. The cheeses used might have some overlap -- though they are not identical -- but this too misses the main point. Dom cares deeply about his pizza -- the dough, the yeast, the rise, the sauce, the herbs, the oil, the cheeses, the bake -- and the people running De Marco (who are often not his kids) just don't. As a result of all of this, every slice that leaves Dom's counter is a masterpiece of his creation, passion, and dedication to quality, and the pizza that leaves De Marco's will never be anything but a poor imitation.
Let's agree that De Marco is not the worst pizza in New York. De Marco strikes a special chord in me however, not simply because it is no better than average, but because it inhabits the space of the lowest common denominator while portraying itself -- and encouraging others to portray it -- as an exercise in greatness, and falsely invoking the aura of Di Fara. In doing so, the mediocrity that is De Marco is accepted, elevated, and even celebrated, while the high art that is Di Fara losses something in the process.
So, I would suggest that the use of the term âgarbageâ is not unwarranted vitriol, but if anything, speaks too softly in the face of the threat that the acceptance of mediocrity poses to our food and culture. The loss of quality food is a very real threat to our quality of life, and while some people might not think it worthy of invoking strong words, I simply donât agree. By maintaining a sense of passion about our food, we have a chance to win the fight against mediocrity, and preserve the precious little food culture we have left here.
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Makanmata, it is very unfair of you to call DeMarco's "garbage food." That kind of foodie vitriol bums me out. There's no doubt that DeMarcos can never be as good as Di Fara, because Dom isn't there making the pie. But it is "the kids" who make the sauce at Di Fara, and I hate to break it to you, but it's the exact same sauce at DeMarco's. Also the same cheese: the same grana, the same grande, the same mozzarella di bufala. Their square pie is a flop, I'll admit, but to say that Dom's kids take no pride in the product served there is an insult, and dead wrong into the bargain. It was no accident that DeMarco's won a best slice contest last year sponsored by some radio station.
Josh
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I would think they make the list based upon the subjective variable of taste. (i.e. I am not a cheese fan other than pizza, so the places with the really fresh buffalo mozz don't work for me, like Adriennes). I can def see why people rave about the place though.
Keithrez
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A top 10 list is great and all but what are the criteria for best slice that these places meet? Do places make the list because the crust is extra thin and crispy or a little thicker, because of a certain quality of the sauce?
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Sadly, I must now agree with Lester re: Maffei's grandma slice. A few years back when I first tried it, it was one of the best slices I ever had, and I thought the regular slices were really good as well. Now that the neighborhood is a mini-MPD, the quality has diminished greatly based upon my last several visits.
Rigoletto's on 70th & Columbus is really good (not too cheesy and always well done, my preferences).
I do not understand the affinity people have for Sal & Carmine's. My cuz (who is a pizza afficienado) and I checked it out recently. Extremely average.
Original Pizza II on Ralph Ave. in Mill Basin. G-d do I miss that place now that I am in Manhattan.
Keithrez
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i am going to have to disagree with grandma's on 22nd and sixth. it's pretty much midgrade, nothing to write home about anyway. if you want a good slice and you are in that area, walk east and go to frank's pizza on 23rd street between park and lexington, right next to the dunkin donuts. mmm, so good.
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Jozerky: Regarding Patsy's, I have on rare occassion experienced a soggy slice at, although their pies never fail and the soggy slice an exception not a rule. Nine times out of ten their slices are just out of the oven in my experience and sublime.
As for Sac's, no way. Their crust is usually doughy and undercooked, the sauce clearly a canned prefab concoction. Their "fresh" mozarella polios or someother nonsense. In queens, you should try Alba's fresh mozarella pie on Ditmar's. Certainly not a top 10 pie, but certainly good in a pinch and heads above Sac's.
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My mistake. If you are excluding restaurants that refuse to serve by the slice, then your omission is acceptable...
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I love Patsy's pizza, it is as good as DiFara no doubt. I must STRONGLY object to your exclusion of Grimaldi's in brooklyn heights. Their crust is an as close to perfection as one can get, easily as good or better then DiFara and Patsy's. Such an admission calls into question your credibility to say the least.; equivalent to a steak authority failing to include Luger's on their NYC top 10 list.
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Bella Vita. It's the best! And it's conveniently located right next door to The New York Times on 43rd Street.