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Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
When a national publication claims your offering the best product in the country one needs to adjust business decisions to accommodate the demand. And those decisions are likely to be unpopular with some.
The alternative is accommodate all people or at least try too and go out of business.
In the restaurant business a review like that will do more harm then good. Especially in a small husband- wife pizzeria with one person making the pizza.
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
And while on Yelp check the review stating how Great Lake is more expensive then Di Fara's and Lucali. And also how the later has practically no wait compared to Great Lake.
For an insight on how the average customer thinks visit Yelp. For informed knowledgeable reviews I would suggest not.
Dom DeMarco and the 'Heavy Hand'
Maybe at $6 a slice Dom will start drizzling Manni on the pizza.LOL
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Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
On my visit to Great Lake I found the owners to be more then friendly and found no faults with service.
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
When a national publication claims your offering the best product in the country one needs to adjust business decisions to accommodate the demand. And those decisions are likely to be unpopular with some.
The alternative is accommodate all people or at least try too and go out of business.
In the restaurant business a review like that will do more harm then good. Especially in a small husband- wife pizzeria with one person making the pizza.
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
And while on Yelp check the review stating how Great Lake is more expensive then Di Fara's and Lucali. And also how the later has practically no wait compared to Great Lake.
For an insight on how the average customer thinks visit Yelp. For informed knowledgeable reviews I would suggest not.
Dom DeMarco and the 'Heavy Hand'
Maybe at $6 a slice Dom will start drizzling Manni on the pizza.LOL
Dom DeMarco and the 'Heavy Hand'
Check the many fickr photos showing the can on the shelf. Even extra virgin Bertolli/Berio is at bare minimum average olive oil at best.
Dom DeMarco and the 'Heavy Hand'
Pizzablogger, I was really surprised when I noticed it. And with all the high end ingredient talk in the press lately regarding the price increase it left me scratching my head. LOL
For example. Chris Bianco uses Queen Creek olive oil made specifically for him. Nick Lessins's of Great Lake uses a excellent one from California Olive Ranch.
But Bertolli and Berio are simply considered a cooking oil. They serve the purpose for what they are but certainly not a finishing oil.
Dom DeMarco and the 'Heavy Hand'
I raised the question because in the article Dom expressed in his own words as much that better ingredients justified the price increase.
Dom DeMarco and the 'Heavy Hand'
I stand corrected not Bertolli but Berio.
Dom DeMarco and the 'Heavy Hand'
With all the talk of high quality ingredients I am puzzled by something. When I was there Dom had a large can of Bertolli Olive Oil on the self above his counter. If this is the olive oil he uses on the pizza I'll have to question the quality claim.
Bertolli is my average daily use cooking oil.
Great Lake: Stunningly Good Pizza in Chicago
I knew from the moment I read this article that it was only a matter of time before I visited Great Lake. Then along came the GQ article which was icing on the cake.
So this past week my family and I drove to Chicago from NYS to sample what all the fave is about.
What can I say other then it was worth the journey and them some.
Chris Bianco sets the pizza bar in my opinion and Great Lake not only matched that bar but likely surpassed it. Outstanding!
Also anyone wishing to see some photos I took see the above Face Book group. Also will be writing a more detailed report very soon but this old man needs to recover from travel fatigue.
Thank you so much Daniel for the heads up on Great Lake and the amazingly talented couple who run it.
Great Lake: Stunningly Good Pizza in Chicago
Some mouth watering photos on this face book Great Lake fan group.
I really need to visit soon!
http://www.facebook.com/groups.php?ref=sb#/group.php?gid=110472678781
Fat-Guy.com Pizza Guide Republished
Paulie, Could not agree more. Actually the wait was as much a part of the experience as the pizza itself. We had a wonderful time sharing the same interest with people we never met. Perfect example of how great food can bring people together and take a moment to slow down life's hectic pace.
I believe the key is how one approaches the wait. If you go in preconditioned that you'll be aggravated that is what will happen. Go in with an open mind, relax and enjoy and you'll realize what makes the magic of Chris Biancos world so rare and special.
Congratulations Are in Order
Congratulations to your son and no doubt Dad also!
Very glad to hear you both had a wonderful time.
Alan Richman Names Top 25 Pizzas in the U.S.
Paulie Gee, I been following your flickr photos for some time now.
As a matter of fact I've been counting the days to your PB visit likely as much as you have. LOL
Can't wait to hear your thoughts about it!
Alan Richman Names Top 25 Pizzas in the U.S.
Thanks again! I worked in the restaurant industry for years and even at a few nationally known restaurants. But needless to say pizza " High quality baking" is a whole new science. Knowing the basics without much more research is not something I would consider.
I often find it amazing how many people believe making pizza is a simple process. Truth is making Thomas Keller's oysters and pearls dish consistently is an easier task.
Alan Richman Names Top 25 Pizzas in the U.S.
Pizzablogger, Thanks so much for the info. I am in the very beginning stages of considering starting something up. But the cost of something like an Acunto oven is an deterrent. Apparently there are options without jeopardizing my kids college fund. LOL
Alan Richman Names Top 25 Pizzas in the U.S.
My apologies for drifting off topic a bit.
I am curious as to how with a gas oven Great Lake is able to produce a char that appears like a wood oven pizza? I was under the impression that was only possible in high heat coal and wood ovens.
Hopefully it is not a ridiculous question as I'm still a novice on the technique of pizza making.
Thanks!
Alan Richman Names Top 25 Pizzas in the U.S.
I just may have to go on another pizza journey to visit Great Lake. It captured my interest from the moment I read the owners were influenced by the man himself from the desert sun.
Alan Richman Names Top 25 Pizzas in the U.S.
Hardly spacious but they top a communal table for six. LOL
Alan Richman Names Top 25 Pizzas in the U.S.
I suspect Great Lake would have been to small for a party.
Great Lake: Stunningly Good Pizza in Chicago
In June issue of GQ magazine Alan Richman picked Great Lake #1 pizza in the country.
Congratulations!
F-Words of Wisdom from Pizzaiolo Chris Bianco
Also must add. I hope people don't misinterpret my meaning. I'm just basically saying there are hundreds if not thousands of restaurant owners throughout the country who would die to have the customer base of Pizzeria Bianco. My point is I just think many would have considered the possible ramification of such a forthcoming interview and may not have chanced it.
F-Words of Wisdom from Pizzaiolo Chris Bianco
mamster, Outstanding interview and my compliments to you for an excellent job.
I may have to disagree with you on the part about it not being a remotely unusual interview. I have followed Chris Biancos career for years. I even belong to a Pizzeria Bianco Face Book fan group and have added most of the content to it.
And never have I read one article as similar or remotely revealing. Truly unique and different then others I thought. In a good way!
F-Words of Wisdom from Pizzaiolo Chris Bianco
Personally I have more respect for those keeping it real. Enough of those PR conceived perceptions chefs are trying to sell us of themselves.
But with that said. I still question the business decision to allow this interview to be written in a magazine that may very well have a more conservative reader audience.
F-Words of Wisdom from Pizzaiolo Chris Bianco
Okay... Honestly I have been following everything written about Chris Bianco for years now and this is the first one that through me a curve.
Am I the only one surprised by the language he used in this article? And if this is the 'real' Chris Bianco why show the David Chang face now in a national publication. Maybe the lines will get deeper as it is anyone's guess.But is it good business sense to rock the boat now?? I mean were talking Gourmet not an article in GQ. I'm willing to bet Gourmet has an audience that may be offended and won't consider visiting after reading this article. My point is, I'm puzzled and had a 'What are you thinking' moment after reading it.
For the record. Personally I was not the least bit offended and enjoyed the article. I grew up in Newark, NJ and spent weekends attending pottery classes in the LES in the 70's. So needless to say my skin is not thin. LOL
Alan Richman Names Top 25 Pizzas in the U.S.
I wanted to set the record straight about Richman's top 25. The following is a link to my full review of Osteria on my Philadelphia best pizza blog, one of the only two pizza joints from Philly to make it on this list. A little hint: I was very disappointed. Happy reading!
http://www.bestphiladelphiapizzablog.blogspot.com/2009/09/osteria-philadelphia-pizza-review.html
Blog Pizza
A 24-Hour Search for the Best Pizza in America
Oops. Marcella's.
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
A 24-Hour Search for the Best Pizza in America
@Philly53. It's not NY style but the pies at Marcello's in The Short North don't suck:
http://www.flickr.com/photos/pauliegee/sets/72157605122755729/
So you haven't found anyplace in NYC that you like as much as Mack and Manco?
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
A 24-Hour Search for the Best Pizza in America
@Philly53: What about the M&M Pizza makes it your favorite?
Damn, never heard of it. Is it open off-season or only during summer? Thanks!
A 24-Hour Search for the Best Pizza in America
I've had pizza all over the country and the best, by far, is Mack & Manco Pizza in Ocean City, NJ. Pepe's in New Haven, CT is very good but Mack & Manco is the best in the country. Anyone know of a good Philly/New York style pizza in Columbus, OH ????
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
@CPC Ryan Don't hold back. Tell us how you really feel.
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
Ah, yes.
Ed Levine. The pied piper of the "if you can't fold it like a taco it ain't pizza" knuckleheads. Scurries out of town with a backhanded compliment.
If you want to play cheerleader for a "great taste" "less filling" shout off at Yankee Stadium by all means - go right ahead.
Just leave the Windy City out of it so I don't have to suffer these comments every time I want to read about some great Chicago pizza.
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
Pauli--- I saw your post on the Boston Sicilian tour so that was my reply
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
How did we wind up in Boston on the Great Lakes post?
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
@gaffer Thanks very much for the compliment. As far as waiting goes, I always use the excuse that I have to get moving on the next pie so I can grab a slice right away.
I had visited the old Fidh Piers Daily Catch location and didn't enjoy it nearly as much. The atmosphere in the 22 seater on Hanover Street is very unique. Boy do I miss that place. Last time I was there was the day in 2002 NBA playoffs when the Celtics came from 26 down in the fourth quarter to overtake the Nets. It was by far the most exciting sporting event I have ever attended. And I've been to a slew of Yankee post-season games.
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
Hey Pauli--
That's the problem with being a preeminent pizzaiolo. Your guests and family get to eat it your pizzas at their optimum. Right out of the brick oven. While you have to wait. I'm sure you get dig in right away some of the time but...
BTW I used to go Umberto a lot but that was back in 1983 when I worked near there. The Sicilian was bready and thin on top. So I dodged them but ate the calzones. http://chowhound.chow.com/topics/154552
I always liked Santarpios with its easier parking but Regina's original in the North End was as good. I remember when Daily Catch started. The guy specialized in calamari and other squid dishes and had a hard time in the beginning. But then he took off and had a number of establishments.
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
I agree wholeheartedly about pizza dying. However most pizzerias would have to raise their prices considerably to make up for the lost revenue that takeout would have generated. Before customers in the dining get too upset, they should consider how much their pie would cost it they didn't do takeout.
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
In the deep-dish pizza city, thin seems to be in - U.S. business ...
Aug 28, 2009 ... "A pizza is always dying," explained Jonathan Goldsmith, who opened Spacca Napoli in 2006, and who neither delivers nor takes phone orders....."As soon as it is out of the oven it is meant to be eaten." ...... http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/32597742/ns/business-us_business/
"A pizza is always dying" is something I emphatically agree with. I would rather eat my homemade English muffin "pizza" red hot right out my toaster oven than to take Great Lake (or anyone's) pizza home and eat it lukewarm.
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
If I hadn't come from Philly to eat in Chicago I may have gave a crap that the wait was two hours. But I think the real difference is how bad you want something. Did you ever wait for six hours to get concert tickets? I never complained about that, and that is far more uncomfortable than drinking great beer down the street at Hopleaf.
These people do come off slightly arrogant in the way they run the show, but the pizza is perfect. It was more inspiring than any pizza I've eaten in NYC(except Di Fara). They are baking pizza with the best ingredients and the results are really something of beauty.
I can't wait to go back!
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
Perhaps the could stave off the negative reactions from customers waiting for pies by taking a page out of Chris Bianco's book and opening up a bar next door. You rarely see that kind review for Pizzeria Bianco. He also doesn't do takeout, so that cuts down on the wait and the ruffled feathers.
This topics has gotten me thinking; Perhaps Mr. Richman took a shortcut and based his rankings on how long people wait in line for a pie. Great Lakes - long wait, Lucali - long wait, Pizzeria Delfina - long wait, Pizzeria Bianco - long wait, Sally's - long wait. Is there a long wait at Bob & Timmy's?
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
Many yelpers adore the pizza but still gripe about being made to jump through hoops to get it
My favorite Yelp review posted 6/27/2009 right after the GQ proclamation------>>>
Pizza was quite good, but it took 2 1/2 hours, and they told us we should only order one because they don't come out at the same time and so we'd have to wait for the second one. Apparently, they only bake one at a time in the oven. While we were there, there was a steady stream of complaints. Two people walked out after waiting 3 hours and not getting their pizza. Two more refused to pay and sent the pizza back. Another guy had a screaming match with the staff on his way out. And then there was the steady flow of people being turned away, having their take out orders refused, and grumbling about it. All of which helps to make sure you can't enjoy your meal.
The business model makes no sense. You have 7 tables, you charge 23 dollars per pizza, and you make each one of those 7 tables take as long as humanly possible so that you can turn away as many more people as possible. Then you serve them with dirty plates and soiled cloths as napkins, and completely ignore them. You act put upon to provide so much as tap water (which you serve tepid). You make them walk right through the middle of the food prep to get to the bathroom (seriously! so I advise all diners to form a pact with the other patrons - whom you will get to know quite well during your 2 1/2 hour wait- that all diners will wash their hands...) And then you act surprised at all the complaints.
I can't imagine they will stay in business after the hubbub dies down. Which is a shame, because they actually do make a pretty good pizza... (or rather, 3 pizzas, as you don't pick your own toppings.) Or maybe people just think it tastes good because they're guaranteed to be starving by the time they eat it.
Greg M.
Chicago, IL
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
@juliecoe: No matter what the business is, restaurant or hardware store, you better be paying more attention to me than the person who's phoning it in. I'd leave the place if you got more attention than I did.
Do you think that just because Great Lake makes pizza, it automatically implies that it caters to the pick-up/delivery crowd? You wouldn't call Spiaggia or Blackbird or Charlie Trotter's with an order to go. Or maybe you would.
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
@forzapizza: Deep dish and stuffed pizza are recognized by hundreds of millions of people as pizza. If Ed or anyone else wants to call it casserole, it really doesn't bother me at all. I actually find it kind of amusing.
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
@Pauper Nick: you're right about most pies being mediocre, Chicago thin being no exception. However, as someone who now lives in the South, I would KILL for some run-of-the-mill, "mediocre" Chicago thin at an office party or other such gathering. Instead, it's invariably Papa John's or equally kra-zappy chain "pizza."
My point is: it's all relative. If you are reading this and you live somewhere that you can get good 'za on a regular basis, get down on your hands and knees and praise God.
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
Daniel, well put.
I have a question for you. I know you put a lot of time into the chicago pizza scene and have a great passion for the city and its pies. So I was wondering how you handle the comments that Ed Levine makes about Chicago pizza. What is the pizza scene like when one of our biggest promoters has a sit down with one of our biggest haters? Just curious.
Thanks
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
That pizza does look great indeed!
My main worry, is the term artisanal pizzeria. Why? Well, we have the word artisanal, which contains the term "anal". This tells me that I am going to be eating overprices pizza around a bunch of trendy snoots, whom I would rather stab with a fork than be in the same room with. When it comes to great pizza, it should be simple and not too expensive. Hooidy tooidy people should not apply.
I still love the Chicago Deep Dish review. You were spot on Ed. It's not pizza, and it doesn't hold a candle to the great thin crust pizzas of the world. Overrated at best.
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
The pizza at Great Lake never ceases to amaze me and it was no different on this visit when I got to watch Ed Levine eat pizza in Chicago that, if Pizzeria Bianco and Mozza are his standards for ideal pizza, is better than anything available in entire Eastern time zone.
For those who've had problems with Lydia and Nick, I have a couple of thoughts beyond simply pointing out that I've found them to be very nice hosts. This is a small operation that turns out exceptional pizzas. If you eat there, the chances are that you are going to have to wait a while and if you prepare for that, I think it's a lot easier to handle. If not, then it's probably best you eat somewhere else.
As far as the calling in orders issue goes, the reality is that almost every night, there is far more demand than supply. That means that virtually every night there are going to be people who want pizza but can't get any. If Nick and Lydia have made the decision to give priority to customers who put forth a little more effort and actually come into the restaurant, then so be it. Great Lake is a neighborhood restaurant that happens to sell exceptional pizza. Implementing policies that favor those more invested in spending time in the community doesn't seem like a bad idea to me at all.
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
It's so hard to find truly great pizza, and great may be one of the more abused words in the English language, particularly when it comes to pizza, that I'm willing to forgive being treated a little roughly.
Would I prefer top notch service, friendly staff and owners? Of course I would. Does such a thing enhance the joy of visiting an establishment? Of course it does. Do these things make the pizza taste better? Absolutely not.
As long as the establishment is clean, I love a truly great pizza so much I'll deal with a crazy ordering system and even gruff ownership. I mean, if it is great, and the pics here make Great Lake look like it might be the genuine article, I'll even suffer someone saying retched things about my family while waiting for such a pizza. The server or owner in question would need a slab of meat for their face, but I'd come back for such a pizza.
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
juliecoe, taking orders by phone isnt going to make their oven bigger. the same amount of pizzas are going to be made every night no matter what. they are at capacity. i bet the owners can tell you the number of pizzas they will make that night and be within 4 or 5. they couldnt accomodate phone orders if they wanted to. how could they possibly fit in a phone order when they have a mile long line? if they did, their night would be booked in the first half hour and there would be no point of them having a single table in the place. and then what? their phone line is going to be busy from 530pm until close and people will just get pissed again. not too mention they will still have a line of angry people wondering why there is no one inside.
the unfriendly workers are a different story. thats not right.
my analogy was correct in the first place, and yours does not apply. Great Lake cant make "cd's". Its not that they wont....they cant.
Great Lake Is Great Shakes: The Windy City Finally Has Great Pizza to Call Its Own
I always assumed that the idea of new yorkers always breaking balls when it comes to chicago pizza was along the same lines as the idea that vegans are always yelling at meat eaters. It's not that it doesn't happen but the people that actually engage in that crap are few and far between. The problem is that those few can be really annoying about it. In any case, who really cares?
On a different note, I have to say I'm really getting tired of places thinking $20 is OK for a simple individual marg pie. Oh, sorry, it's made with heirloom tomatoes. I'll take the canned San Marzanos, thank you. That's not to say this place doesn't look good but I'm just about ready for an over-sourcing backlash to bring things back to reality.
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On my visit to Great Lake I found the owners to be more then friendly and found no faults with service.