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We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
It isn't your fault at all Adam, but that was one of the worst interviews I've ever read! I'm glad you went out of your way to get the interview, but Bobby couldn't give you any better than "I'm not commenting on future locations" and "That's proprietary"?? What a D-Bag.
As a side note, I know that the only cooking to medium thing has been a big problem for hamburger lovers everywhere, but it seems silly that folks are getting up in arms over it. At the Shake Shack they routinely cook their burgers all the way through (especially when they're busy, which I think you've written about before in the past), but the lines never subside there. Plus, this Bobby's place is clearly looking for the "American Burger Fan Who Wants To Go Out On A Limb By Putting Chips or Jalepenos on their 'Gourmet' Burger" as their target market, and it has been my experience that 98% of that group don't eat their burgers medium rare (or, sadly, even medium).
Time for a Drink: Presbyterian
Made these last weekend - delicious!
Top Chef: Mother's Day Comes Early
there is no way that they made that much food for under $10 when you have to shop at whole foods. i know chicago is a bit cheaper than new york, but here in the NYC $10 buys you six strawberries and an onion.
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We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
To be clear Nick, my point isn't that the Shake Shack doesn't cook to order, it is that by and large because of the popularity and business, they don't often pull off cooking it properly.
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
It isn't your fault at all Adam, but that was one of the worst interviews I've ever read! I'm glad you went out of your way to get the interview, but Bobby couldn't give you any better than "I'm not commenting on future locations" and "That's proprietary"?? What a D-Bag.
As a side note, I know that the only cooking to medium thing has been a big problem for hamburger lovers everywhere, but it seems silly that folks are getting up in arms over it. At the Shake Shack they routinely cook their burgers all the way through (especially when they're busy, which I think you've written about before in the past), but the lines never subside there. Plus, this Bobby's place is clearly looking for the "American Burger Fan Who Wants To Go Out On A Limb By Putting Chips or Jalepenos on their 'Gourmet' Burger" as their target market, and it has been my experience that 98% of that group don't eat their burgers medium rare (or, sadly, even medium).
Time for a Drink: Presbyterian
Made these last weekend - delicious!
Top Chef: Mother's Day Comes Early
there is no way that they made that much food for under $10 when you have to shop at whole foods. i know chicago is a bit cheaper than new york, but here in the NYC $10 buys you six strawberries and an onion.
Frank Bruni Goes Ko-razy
There was something about the whole outsourcing thing on Mahalo Daily last week. This guy who wrote a book about how he does a 4-hour work week, and basically outsources pretty much everything, including having his email read by some woman in India. Crazy stuff.
But enough complaining about the Momofuku Ko reservations already! Even if he doesn't outsource to India he could at least grab an intern to take care of getting him a reservation.
Gordon Ramsay Is Not a Jerk; He Just Plays One on American TV
I agree with the sentiment that he brings out some really human moments - on the British version of Kitchen Nightmares there are numerous episodes that are very touching (for lack of a better term). Gordon really has to struggle to get the best out of people who he seems to genuinely feel are better than they appear (or cook).
Top Chef: Block Rockin' Eats
My favorite was one week when they were waiting on the judgement, and the camera is bouncing back and forth between each of them sitting there and stewing and shooting daggers at the other contestants, and behind each is literally a wall of GLAD products.
The Cartoon Kitchen: Amaretti
Absolutely the best cookie EVER! I had no idea these were so easy, I can't wait to try making these!
Ugh! Three Bucks a Slice
I think it is interesting that at $3 a slice, it really takes pizza out of being a cheaper option at lunch time. I doubt this will affect any of the pizzerias, as Manhattaners have shown that they'll pay all sorts of ridiculous prices for lunch, but bringing the cost of two slices up to six dollars is interesting - you can get a decent sandwich for $6, which can be a quite a bit healthier.
Just a thought... And as for the controversy being "quaint": even if we're all used to it now, I think we can easily agree that all those mediocre slices we've all had would taste a lot better at $1.50 instead of $2.25/$2.50 and especially $3.
14th Street and Below: A DJ Bubbles Drive-By
Went to Pizza Box for lunch today since I saw this article. Thanks for the heads up on a good slice!
Cook the Book: 'Techniques of Healthy Cooking'
Mujadara -- Onions caramalized in olive oil, then cooked with lentils and rice until delicious.
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
Well first of all I was excited to eat at Bobby Flays place so I had high expectations but that shouldn't a affect my review. I ate at the Lake Grove restaurant. I ordered a blue burger medium rare, a dark chocolate shake and onion rings. The burger was actually raw! and the bottom half of the roll was not usable because it was saturated and I was unable to pick it up. I sent the burger back and this time I got one that was well done. They can't seem to get the cooking process right. Even that bottom half of the roll was wet. The shake was nothing more than ice cream stirred up to be soft, it was too thick to drink, and surprisingly for that price ($5.00) it was pretty small. The onion ring order was also small for the price and not so great, not crunchy or that tasty, rather bland. I have to say for the value, the whole meal was definitely not worth the price and the atmosphere was very cold and uninviting. I will definitely not be visiting this place again and I will not recommend this place to anyone either. I can honestly say that burger king is better than this place. Sorry Bobby, I think you better visit this location and straighten out your good name.
Time for a Drink: Presbyterian
A bartender's secret to these is to add a dash or two of Angostura Bitters ... the bitters rounds out the drink a bit and unifies the base ingredients.
Gordon Ramsay Is Not a Jerk; He Just Plays One on American TV
I think Ramsey is a real jerk. I was watching an episode of "The F Word" on BBC America. During the opening he introduced the two new chefs in the kitchen. One he described as " ...a 22 year old American girl from Los Angeles". Then, right after saying that, one can hear Ramsey's voice overdubbed saying "Unfortunately". Like the jerk added the insult in the editing room!
I thought about if for a second and then deleted all his shows from my DVR, and all future recordings. If the Scottish twit wants to pick on American girls, he can kiss my ass. What a freakin' loser.
Gordon Ramsay Is Not a Jerk; He Just Plays One on American TV
I think Ramsey is a real jerk. I was watching an episode of "The F Word" on BBC America. During the opening he introduced the two new chefs in the kitchen. One he described as " ...a 22 year old American girl from Los Angeles". Then, right after saying that, one can hear Ramsey's voice overdubbed saying "Unfortunately". Like the jerk added the insult in the editing room!
I thought about if for a second and then deleted all his shows from my DVR, and all future recordings. If the Scottish twit wants to pick on American girls, he can kiss my ass. What a freakin' loser.
14th Street and Below: A DJ Bubbles Drive-By
Congratulations medfood. You have just won the award for the blogosphere's most obvious shill.
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
14th Street and Below: A DJ Bubbles Drive-By
I have a new Pizza Favorite in West Village:
Pizza Mezzaluna
146 West Houston Street at MacDougal
212-533-1242
http://www.mezzalunany.com/
Free delivery, open late and a block from Bleecker. It's polished high-end Italian thin crust -- awesome pizza and as cheap as Pizza Box or Famous Joe's Pizza.
Salads are fresh and pasta was al dente.
I've eaten there a couple of times and now it's the favorite pizza at the office. Deliveries are fast.
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
@ sbushore ..The Dominican Republic... my husband was sooooo sick from food poisining and he doesn't eat meat.
Bobby Flay's restaurant sounds disastrous and who needs to pay those prices?? I like buying really good meat and cooking it, it gives me a feeling of control.
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
Missed this the first time around.
First Kenjialtci, I had to check if that wasn't something I posted. I couldn't have written it any better. Especially the part about well done being very juicy. Truth. If you have a burger well done, on a flat top griddle, and the thing is dry, its because either its beef that is low in fat, comes in pre pattied by a machine, or the dumb ass "cook" in the back it pressing the SNOT out of it with his stupid spatula. Great job Ken.
Second, I'm not saying I know for sure, but I find it REAL HARD to believe that ANY health department, AS MUCH AS THEY WOULD LOVE TO, would EVER be able to pass a "regulation" on how someone can order food. They tried it with eggs, it got booted. Me thinks Mr. Flay is saying that to kinda say "hey, we would love to cook it rare, but we cant" I think hes afraid of getting people sick. Which surprises me because I think most of this "I got sick from undercooked burger" isn't really food poisoning. If you buy quality beef, grind it ON PREMISE, its gotta be almost impossible to get food poisoning. I'm not saying IMPOSSIBLE, but real close to it. I'm just not buying his answer.
ANd his "proprietary" thing.....I got a feeling he doesn't want to say because he's using a product like whiz or whirl. Its a butter tasting oil. In food establishments, this product would burn and can be held at room temp without hardening. I think its fine, but he probably sees it a low class or something, thats why he didn't want to mention it.
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
Worst case of food poisoning I have ever had . The only thing that comes close is one other time in the Dominican Republic . I ate at the Monmouth Mall location on 12/8/08 . Word of advice if you do eat there make sure your burger is well cooked! Mine did not appear to be to rare which is even more disturbing .....
The Cartoon Kitchen: Amaretti
Seems easy, would like to give a try : )
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
Recently visited Bobby's burgers! It left me flat...they are sissy mary burgers! The Good Steer a mile down the road beats them hands down..and you get fries or onion rings with them! If you love a real burger..don't bother..Bobby this is Long Island...We take our burgers seriously! Go visit the Good Steer! They have been in business for over 50 years and still going strong..bet you can't pass it without stopping in!
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
I sought guidance from the Talmud.
' To say too much is to say nothing ', so my commentary is to kvetch about the frozen french fries. So the young prince is so lazy or uninspired that he thinks his customers don't deserve fresh, hand cut fries ?
He should realize that 50' away in the Food Court is a Nathan's which has
delicious ones and could be sneaked in by an irate customer who feels insulted by the drecky ones he serves !
The more I type the angrier I become, he thinks we're fools, and I thought he was a classy guy. Ego blemishes judgement. He should talk to his Rabbi also about the small portions of everything. What a long conversation that would be !!
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
I also agree with Storm Cadet. Just ate there (7-22-2008 @ 5:30 pm) and it was terrible. NOT WORTH THE PRICE. We waited on the line and only one person was behind the register. Then the place was FULL of flies...everywhere. We finally found seats and waited for our food. I ordered two cheeseburgers, fries, and an order of onion rings. The hamburgers are small and the fries were just okay...nothing great. Where are the napkins??? For the amount of money I spent ($30) I really expected something quite different. Very disappointed and I wont go back.
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
I wished, I waited and hope springs eternal . . . . . however the Iron Chef was not to deliver on his promise.
God, I hate disappointment. Actually I have been to BBP on three ocassions, always varieing my order and never being very pleased. Too
many flaws. Perhaps I'll wait a year to return. It was stated earlier 'hope springs eternal'
By the way, does anyone know what ever happened to Jackie Malouf ?
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
I love steaks rare, but to be honest I really don't like burgers rare. I simply don't like the texture of it and never order them below medium.
Anyone else like that or am I the exception?
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
Never go to a restaurant the first month of opening with any expectations other than low. No matter what the restaurant, or who the restaurant owner may be. Soft opening or not there will be lots of issues & lots of disappointment.
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
I agree with storm cadet, Terrible.
I work in the area and had seen the lines out the door so I ordered to go. I had the Napa Valley burger (watercress, goat cheese and meyer lemon honey mustard) and a few co-workers ordered various other burgers. We all agreed that the burgers seemed very small, thrown together, with fancy sounding ingredients that didn't really make a difference. The buns were basic supermarket potato rolls and came soggy. Also, the lettuce on one of the burgers was old and wilted and the watercress on mine was also very wilted and the taste almost unnoticeable. I thought that may have been due to it being take out but it has never happened with take-out from other restaurants in the area (Ruby Tuesdays, Applebees, Fridays) and another co-worker ate there and was equally disappointed.
As for sides (not included in the price of the burger), the fries were ok and the onion rings were pretty good but nothing special. I made the mistake of ordering the Hot Potato Chips as a side. I was expecting thinly sliced fried potatoes, something along the lines of butterfly fries. What I got was a single serving bag size of lays-ish potato chips that were warmed (I probably should have asked about them before ordering). The milkshakes were alright, but considering there is a Carvel and Haagen Dazs in the mall food court (the restaurant entrance is right next to the mall doors to the food court) I wouldn't bother again.
It cost about $16-$17 per person (with a burger, side and shake). I would place the burgers somewhere between Wendy's or Burger King quality and Ruby Tuesdays or Applebees quality (more towards the fast food level). Also the "medium and up" cooking level is strange because Ruby's offers "Pittsburgh Rare" which is completely red.
I know this may sound a little harsh but it was truly disappointing. I may give it one more chance after it has been around for a while and gotten its act together, though I doubt that much of the problems were due to being a new restaurant.
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
Well I just ate there and had a terrible overall experience.
First, you stand in line and order your food. Well they have 3 registers at the front desk area, but only staffed by one person. The line moves VERY slowly, and when it was my turn to order the cashier said I'll have to wait awhile as the retaurant was very busy. I explained to him I don't need a table that counter service was fine. So I place the order for my son and I,($27.00 for 2 burgers, 2 fries and soft drinks)and go wait. The way it is set up is you order, they give you a plastic number, you find your own seat and the waitress looks for you when the food is ready. This from a place that charges 27 for lunch. I don't think many Long Islanders will come back for service like this, especially when you can have a larger and better meal at the other Smith Haven Mall franchise eateries.(Houlihans, TGIF's,)
Well the give you a glass bottle of soda but no cup of ice to keep it cold. They are afraid if you get a cup you'll ALSO hit the fountain machine for more. So we waited about 20 minutes for the food and of course the drinks are now not cold.
Food was OK...I had the Dallas burger, VERY SMALL for 7.50 and my sons burger was SMOTHERED in hot wing sauce and blue cheese making it IMPOSSIBLE to pick up. Do they give you forks to eat this mess with the food...NOPE...had to ask for that too. Fries were OK, nothing special. Once the waitress brings the food, she's ghost as they are trying to hustle the food to all the tables and churn business. No water, no service?
That was and will be my 1st and last visit to Bobby's Burgers!
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
JUST playing my favorite role of Devil's Food Advocate here:
We are such a forensic culture! ("CSI: Burgers")...That "It's proprietary" line may seem terse, but...it's true (plus, Adam made the context clear, following up). Restaurant practices are not like our own medical records, for heaven's sakes, where we're entitled to them.
My guess would be Bobby Flay makes his own burgers Medium-Rare.
I don't want to hector the point, but it occurs to me that we (and I'm guilty of this, because I LOVE to deconstruct dishes) tend to assume we're entitled to information, simply because we assume someone COULD tell us if they WANTED to. When you own a business, people ask you the most oddly intimate (and what could be more intimate than "what's in one's squeeze bottle?..") questions, with a look of complete entitlement on their faces. Sometimes you can tell them, sometimes you can't, and sometimes you're just drawing an arbitrary line in the sea-salt.
At the risk of being dismissed as a Flay-struck female, or appearing to receive a stipend from BF PR, my own experience "interviewing" Bobby, he was nothing but generous, witty, AND gave me a personal recipe, to boot. And I'm no one.
http://www.happyhoarfrost.blogspot.com/2008/03/bobby-flay-apple-of-my-ribeye.html
He took a lot of time with me--because he had it just then. My guess is he's flat-out tired, as the current Trojan Workhorse of the Food Network.
Bobby Flay gives away plenty--I adore him and even I will let his squeeze bottle remain sacred.
Not that I won't wonder....
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
@le bump- there's a big difference between eating a cut piece of steak and beef that's been ground up and mixed. Any bacteria that's lingering on a steak will be killed when cooked/seared on a grill/hot surface, where the any bacteria that's on a piece of meat that's to be ground up, no longer just has surface bacteria, it's mixed in with the grinding process, thus, if the meat is improperly cooked, any bacteria still is alive and excited to enter your body and have a party.
I very rarely eat hamburgers anymore, because as I mentioned earlier, I've gotten food poisoning TWICE from burgers, I have yet to get sick from a rare steak or carpaccio, raw beef, which is my weakness.
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
secret oils in little bottles are not my thing , also if you are confident to order a steak rare you should feel the same way about a ordering a burger rare.. if you sense you are going to get sick why the hell are you in the joint ?
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
The more important question about his "medium" response about cooking burgers to a minimum of 158 degrees - that ain't medium. By 140 degrees, beef will have lost most of its pink color, and anything above 145 is considered well done. 158 is beyond well done. So if he's really cooking his burgers to 158 and they're still pink in the center, he's either got some really odd GM beef, or he's bending the rules anyway.
Either way - I disagree that burgers have to be medium or rare to be good. A freshly ground, loosely packed patty can be cooked to well done (especially on a griddle), and still be very tender and moist. In fact, for a thin griddled burger, I prefer them that way - you get a crisper, more flavorful crust. Like someone already pointed out, Shake shack's are regularly medium or beyond, and they're plenty juicy and tender. It's only when you're dealing with heavily packed meat, preground meat, or really thick patties that taking it beyond medium-rare is an issue.
Especially for fatty burgers, they'l actually be juicier if taken to medium, because the fat will start to liquefy and lubricate everything. Just like cooking an extremely well marbled kobe steak to rare isn't taking advantage of its fat content. Same principal.
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
I'm sorry but is potato chips on burgers really such a revelation? That's something I started doing when I was a kid. I really don't see the wow factor. (Doritoes with cream cheese on a bagel is great if you are interested in adding crunch!) Maybe I was just really ahead of my time. haha
Also, if the idea piques your interest why not save yourself the gas money and just add chips to your burger at home?
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
Adam, great Q&A with BF...i am a huge fan (of yours) and just read your text in the June or July Martha Stewart Living...i just read them both back to back and passed them on, now i can't remember which one, duh...but it was great...
We Talk to Bobby Flay About Bobby's Burger Palace
I'm very curious about what the price of some of the signiture burgers will be....if B. Flay can keep the price down to a somewhere reasonable, like under $10 or $12, this sounds like it might be a fun spot, and really popular.
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To be clear Nick, my point isn't that the Shake Shack doesn't cook to order, it is that by and large because of the popularity and business, they don't often pull off cooking it properly.