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Eat 3.1 Ounces of Meat for a Happier Earth

Mherzog0 means: "Here is a propaganda video created by PETA"

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Ok ok i get it...my spelling sux. I think I was thinking of "Vegita" or something...

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Well I see I am not alone as my husband and I fell off the vegetarian wagon after about 6 years when he craved fried chicken on Christmas Eve and we cooked some. That got me going and last night we had roast chicken. So now I am confused because I was mostly ethically committed, besides not eating meat for health reasons. Oh well . . . we will see where this goes

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@Don Luis--yup--it was Womandingo who first noted it, very early on.

I always hate to mention spelling when I comment on a post, even if it is in the topic title, because I feel like such as 'schoolmarm' when I do it--although I admit that when it was highlighted on the Serious Eats home page, I kept thinking of Vegemite for some reason.

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Embacku: the spelling error was pointed out around the 30th comment. I would not recommend posting unless you know how to search a web page.

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My myspace has lots of my vegetarian pictures on it. If you have a chance to look it might give you a bit of motivation and inspiration. www.myspace.com/Laura_Flowers

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I'm so glad someone posted the spelling issue before I did - I just noticed this post and thought exactly as Embackus - how can you be it if you can't even spell it?

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Embackus, you beat me to it. LOL! Many of the replies continued the mistake, but others spelled it correctly, causing me to look it up to make sure I wasn't wrong all this time.

It is vegetarian, not vegitarian. Carry on.

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I can't believe that after 50+ comments no has noticed that hungrychristel failed to spell vegetarian correctly throughout the entire post. I would not recommend calling yourself one if you can't even spell it....

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@PerkyMac--actually, from what I know of many medieval cookbooks that were written when the church dictated so much of people's lives in terms of feasting and fasting cycles for various saints (and of course, the 40-day Lenten fast), there were actually 2 recipes for many dishes, one which was with meat and the other for a 'fast' period to be prepared with fish or without meat at all. In other words, quite a few months out of the year were meat-free. Good way to keep people eating their veggies, in an unwitting way!

I call myself a 'vegetarian' btw, but I think as long as people do their best to eat in a way that is ethical, isn't cruel to humans or animals in terms of how the food is produced, that is the most important thing. (I mean in how workers are treated as well as animals). I don't enjoy meat at all so I don't consume it--it isn't necessary for people to eat meat to live, but I certainly don't think that my vegetarianism automatically makes my life more ethical or 'better' although I love being veg.

If you love eating meat in small amounts on special occasions I actually do think that 'small bits of animal protein' is probably as close as you will get to the way that most (not all) traditional societies have historically lived.
So this veg-head, says, I don't see anything wrong with it, to you!

And for what it's worth, the Great Omnivore Julia Child (who said her favorite meal would be a rare steak and gin) was still rebuked when she originally submitted the manuscript for "Mastering..." because the portions of meat weren't 'big enough' for what Americans were accustomed to--even in many meat-loving societies, the sheer amounts of animal protein Americans are accustomed to consuming is pretty unusual, although she obviously loved meat.

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It is a highly odd American thing to me that people have to profess food allegiance. I also find it very silly.
If you ask anyone you will get that many different answers. So here is my answer. You can eat meat in moderation. It is a protein.
You should eat 5-7 fruits and veggies a day and you can switch out your proteins and just say you eat healthy. Why does anyone have to declare a party? Yesterday I had a salad all veggies. At dinner I had a cup of cannellini bean/escarole soup in a tomato broth (again no meat), am I declaring myself vegitarian, HELL NO!
Some days you want to be veggie some days you want some meat.
I just felt like some veggies.

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Eat the way you want and don't call it anything except eating the way you want.

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As a current vegetarian (for about 8 years now) I am so happy to read a balanced CONVERSATION rather than diet vs. diet bashing thread.

I subscribe to the school of "eat and let eat." I am vegetarian because I had an eating disorder--so I cut meat out. Now that I'm wayyy past that phase, it's now a texture issue. To put a chunk of meat in my mouth and chew it is kind of gag-inducing. I've tried a half dozen times in the past few years, it just doesn't fly.

I handle meat, I cook meat for my family and boyfriend, I even buy it. I LOVE leather and Ugg boots and even a little fur. I will roll myself in a pile of bacon if need be...I just won't eat it. The way I figure it is...it's more for my carnivorous friends :) I crave broccoli and tofu and brussels sprouts the way someone would crave bacon, or steak and potatoes.

Let's all ring in the New Year with a big ol' piece of your favorite protein, vegetable or carbohydrate.
and a big old glass of wine, since that appeals to ANY diet!! :)

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Labeling your diet too restrictively means that you could fall off the wagon and thus be a failure. That's a bad thing. Better you set yourself up to not fail.

If you decide that you're an omnivore, it means you CAN eat everything, but not that you MUST eat everying. So be an omnivore who happens to be grazing in a vegetarian field right now, but if a tasty steak happens to get in your way, you're not breaking any taboos by eating it.

Conversely, if you let the steak run away unmolested, you haven't broken your omnivore diet, it just means that you didn't feel like eating meat at that particular moment.

If this was a serious heath issue or a religious one, then falling off the wagon would be a bad thing. But there's no sense in torturing yourself over this.

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Obviously you crave and enjoy these items - why deprive yourself? If you are a vegetarian for "ethical" reasons, then work on your self control or buy meat from responsible sources. If it's a health-based choice, ignore the PETA propaganda and eat a healthy diet which naturally includes moderate amounts of meat-derived protein. One can love bacon and tofu!

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Wow, a rational conversation about vegetarianism on a message board. Never thought I'd see the day :)

Agree with just about everything here. Once I started buying meat locally, I found myself treating it better - always stretching it out over several meals, making stock, etc. My cooking got way better, and so did my diet, taste and health-wise. One of the best decisions I've ever made.

And someone call Webster's on the "opportunivore" thing, it's golden.

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seeing that i've been vegetarian my entire life (30+ years) i'm very sad to hear that it has all been in service to some new fad. thanks for the education, schwartz, let me know when my life falls more in line with your standards.

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@ runnereater - that is exactly what I try to do. If meat is being served in a social situation, I will partake of a small amount. But on a day to day basis, no meat is fine with me. Another way I have heard it put is "mostly vegetarian".

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I managed to get a vegetarian or two to fall off the wagon for my Thanksgiving turkeys this year (principles = 0; me = 2). Then again, my cousin quit vegetarianism after two years upon seeing a particularly tasty Burger King commercial, so I suppose some are easier to topple than others. Good luck.

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I was a pescetarian for months and my parents hated it. My best friends mother made amazing looking meatballs for her birthday, and they were the ones that convinced me to eat meat.

i am SO glad i did...although those first few days of meat-eating are not fun on the stomach.

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I was vegetarianism for seven years, and even managed to resist meat for most of my two years in Poland. (Poles who didn't know what to do with me mostly gave me eggs. A lot of eggs.) And then, I read Heat...damn you Bill Buford! On the bright side, now I finally get to eat bacon again.

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@hungrychristel - Good for you! There's no reason to eat anything you don't feel like consuming, and every reason to enjoy what you do.

As for omega 3s, you can get them through plant-based sources, and even if you are eating fish, flax and walnuts never hurt anyone. ;-) I take a multivitamin fortified with B12, but I can get every other nutrient by eating a varied, healthy diet.

Here's to happy eating!

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Hmm to add to the interesting health debate above:
From the (minimal) research I tried to conduct: the only downside (for me) to a lifestyle without any meat and full-fledged vegetarianism was the lack of omegas--this is why I tended to lean towards "pescetarianism" [you can subsitutute your essential protein requirements with wheat we all know: ie-beans].

I also understand the concern for people that are being mislead into believing that vegetarianism is healthy by itself (and therefore can be viewed as a fad) because it can be unhealthy without proper supplemental nutrition.

Everyone's stories, tales and humourous comments helped me in a diet-discovery LOL The decision to label my diet?--

You're right; there is no need to give it a name in my case.
Kudos to Karyn's insight: "Diets are personal things, and I think you have to choose the one that leaves you happy and health(y) – and respect that what makes you happy and healthy will not work for everyone else."

In summation, I will continue to avoid meat if I don't feel like eating it. But if the opportunity arises and the bacon squeals to me, or the cow on the plate moo's for attention, I will not hesitate to reassure myself that it's okay to take a bite :D

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@schwartz - Well, so far as ethics are concerned, that's a matter of opinion. I agree that healthy diets are healthy diets - an omnivore can eat plenty of grains, legumes, etc. and a vegetarian can survive on cheese fries. But there are health benefits to a plant-based, if not a vegetarian, diet, and eating lower on the food chain is better for the environment in almost every circumstance (yes, I am aware of exceptions, hence the 'almost'). Religion can also play a factor.

So far as "done properly" goes - I really don't have anything against the idea of animal husbandry. I started out as a pescetarian because I didn't want my money supporting factory farming. Slowly, I have become stricter in what I will and will not consume for ethical as well as health reasons. But it is a process, and I would never push my ideas on anyone else. It is my plate, and I am the one who has to live with what's on it.

Maybe there is nothing unethical or unhealthy about proper meat-eating, but I see nothing unethical or unhealthy about vegetarianism, either. So as long as everyone's healthy and happy with their decisions, I think it's best to live and let live without throwing around the term "fad." Atkins and cupcakes were fads. Vegetarianism has been around a very long while, and I don't think it will or should disappear.

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