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Commercial-style residential stoves: how hot is too hot?
Yes, in fact they've said two things: 1. That the external temp reading is totally within "standards" and 2. That it's the "commercial" nature of the product.
I think both of these comments are b.s. First, they don't even say what standards they mean. Second, the point of buying a residential commercial-style range is for the safety features and insulation that aren't found in true commercial products. So why pay a premium to burn yourself?
I've worked in professional kitchens where the stove knobs didn't get this hot. So this whole thing's seemed pretty outrageous to me.
Also someone asked the make. It's a 30" Liquid Propane 4 burner Capital. I've looked a lot online and people seem to really like their Capitals, no one's complained of this issue. All I can think is we have a lemon or something, but for them to claim there's no problem and that external temps of 150+° are acceptable in a residentail environment is crazy.
Commercial-style residential stoves: how hot is too hot?
Oh we've contacted the manufacturer and the place of purchase. It's the manufacturer who's being very unhelpful. And thanks @dhorst, will do!
just curious
Hmmm, that's a good question. I don't really know! Right now I'm doing lots of offline stuff, like hanging out with my son. And it's great, so it's all I'm focusing on right now.
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Commercial-style residential stoves: how hot is too hot?
@dbcurrie We've done exactly that, twice. Capital has received the report and says the temps are fine. And we do have a Ventahood over the stove. But it's the heat vented around the door that's causing the problem. Re: globalization: Capital is a US brand and my understanding is the stoves are made in the US, could be wrong about that though. And we're very much in contact with them about returning the stove.
Does anyone know where the guidelines/standards are for residential and commercial grade stoves? That's really what I'd like to see.
Commercial-style residential stoves: how hot is too hot?
Yes, in fact they've said two things: 1. That the external temp reading is totally within "standards" and 2. That it's the "commercial" nature of the product.
I think both of these comments are b.s. First, they don't even say what standards they mean. Second, the point of buying a residential commercial-style range is for the safety features and insulation that aren't found in true commercial products. So why pay a premium to burn yourself?
I've worked in professional kitchens where the stove knobs didn't get this hot. So this whole thing's seemed pretty outrageous to me.
Also someone asked the make. It's a 30" Liquid Propane 4 burner Capital. I've looked a lot online and people seem to really like their Capitals, no one's complained of this issue. All I can think is we have a lemon or something, but for them to claim there's no problem and that external temps of 150+° are acceptable in a residentail environment is crazy.
Commercial-style residential stoves: how hot is too hot?
Oh we've contacted the manufacturer and the place of purchase. It's the manufacturer who's being very unhelpful. And thanks @dhorst, will do!
just curious
Hmmm, that's a good question. I don't really know! Right now I'm doing lots of offline stuff, like hanging out with my son. And it's great, so it's all I'm focusing on right now.
La Bonbonniere: The Stars, They Like It
Glad you finally made it Adam, and sad I wasn't with you. I haven't been out of my way to eat that burger. I think it is a local thing, and I'm glad you got a sense of the spirit of the place. That's probably 50% of what I loved about it. We recognized everyone who worked there, every time we went in.
One time we were there a woman came in and an older woman (perhaps this same owner? woman you saw) came over to her. She asked where she'd been and the woman said she'd move to the UES or something, but had to come back for a visit! My biggest fear is that like so many great places in the West Village it's going to close and become some shitty boutique.
As for the burger vs CB: I used to get it for lunch often, when I could sit by the window and watch the traffic go by on Eighth Avenue. CB strikes me as more of a nighttime spot.
Guh, now I'm hungry! I might have to make a trip to La Bon asap, regardless of violation points!
Ed Levine's Serious Diet Week 7: Can the 100-Calorie Snacks Be a Trap?
Two words: Junk food.
If you're looking for a conveniently-packaged 100 calorie snack, why not eat an apple (~72 calories) or an orange (~86 calories)? Want less carbs and more protein? Try a cup of yogurt (low fat with fruit, ~115 calories) or a stick of string cheese (~80 calories) or a hard boiled egg (~76 calories).
All the above are easy, tasty, snack foods with the benefit of less packaging and less processing. High fructose corn syrup, preservatives, and processed foods aren't good for your diet whether they come in calorie packages of 1,000 or 100.
Aside from that, yay! Congrats on the continued weight loss.
2007: The Year in Food Trends
Wait a sec Ed, you rail against savory desserts and ice creams and then say the olive oil gelato is good? Isn't that a bit contradictory? I'd say olive oil gelato is a savory dessert, but a delicious one! None the less, I agree with you. I'm tired of pastry chefs trying too hard to be different and weird rather than making a really amazing sweet bite with which to end my meal.
Pregnancy Eats Media Conversation Heating Up
For the most part, I agree with what Brody says. When it comes to prohibited items though, she writes: "Raw fish and shellfish, a possible source of the parasite Toxoplasma that can cause fetal blindness and brain damage." I have never seen this anywhere, though if I had I might have reconsidered eating raw oysters. Sushi is frozen, which kills the parasites.
Another confusing point she makes regards soft, unpasteurized cheeses. Unpasteurized soft cheese is illegal in the US, so the chances of a pregnant woman ingesting it are pretty slim, unless she's making a concerted effort to do so.
And I don't know why she lists prohibitions without explaining the logic behind it. Raw sprouts? I'd like to know why.
Sushi Chefs: Can We Talk?
I will! I've been meaning to write about how I eat while pregnant, will try and find some time today to do so.
The Best Grilling Hot Dogs?
There's a German-sounding brand that is sold by the box at Stop-n-Shop that I love. I can't for the life of me come up with the name, but it's on the meat section, the dogs are linked together, and come probably twenty to a box. Really yummy. I've bought them on Nantucket lots of times. Any one have any idea of the brand?
How much would you spend for direct from the farm, organic meat?
Funny, for some reason I totally wasn't thinking about pork, but beef. I find pork is the one I most notice the difference with, because commercial pork is just awful and dry and has no flavor or yummy fat.
How much would you spend for direct from the farm, organic meat?
Josh, you might want to talk to the farmers and get more information about the meat to understand why it's more expensive. You say it's organic. Are the animals grass-fed or corn-fed? Are they fairly free range or confined to feed lots? Are the ranchers part of the Certified Humane Raised & Handled movement? And what kind of cattle are being used? Is it some kind of heritage breed or a common breed? 60 percent of beef cattle are of the Angus, Hereford or Simmental breeds. Any/all of these factors contribute to the price of your meat.
Of course, it boils down to your values and the taste. If you're concerned about eating local and supporting local farmers (which presumably you are as you joined a CSA), it might be worth paying the extra money, knowing it's supporting the farmer directly. But if it doesn't taste great, even an interest in saving small farms might not be enough to justify doing it.
In answer to your question, I buy almost all my meat direct from the farmer at my local greenmarket here in NYC. It is more expensive, and as such, I don't eat a whole lot of meat. But when I do, I want to know where it came from and what kind of life it had.
The Serious Eats Doughnut Glossary
Your cruller photo is what I (as a New Englander) would call a French cruller. Not a regular cruller.
Junk Food Fed Livestock
Is there no grass in PA?
Batali, Bourdain, and White: Chef Supertrio Engages in Love Fest
Jeez, it's just a blog (and I'm saying this as an English major) not the friggin' New Yorker! Isn't it better to get a timely report about an event that just happened than wait two days for it to travel through the fourth circle of copy editing hell? I'll take the immediacy over the errant semi-colon anyday. :)
When Splitting the Check Gives You a Splitting Headache
It may be more of a New York issue because people's apartments are very small, so usually entertaining and hanging out happens at restaurants. And as such, you get invited to birthday dinners at restaurants and end up splitting the check across the party, "for convenience." Somehow it never works. But it also never works to pass around the check and have each person pony up either. That's why I avoid large group dinners and only go out with close friends.
How do you get toddlers to eat Vegetables?
Make it taste good, like dksbook says, though I don't have children, so this is really just optimistic speculation on my part. But it seems like fresh peas (or freshly cooked flash frozen peas), mashed with a little butter, or mint, would be pretty tasty. Babies in France seem to eat everything. I think it's just a matter of using tasty, quality ingredients, and not giving up if they don't like it the first time. Of course, what the heck do I know? I could be totally wrong. Parents with experience please keep speaking up! :)
Would-be 'Top Chefs' Are Broke Chefs
To second what RichardF said, I posted about this topic over on my site, and one of my readers had a great suggestion about attending The Midwest Culinary Institute at Cincinnati State College. $3k for a certificate, ~$6k for two-year degree. If you're really serious about culinary school, it makes to shop around. The CIA degree might be nice on your resume, but you'll still be doing the crap work in the kitchen for low money when you start.
Best San Francisco style sourdough bread in NYC?
I don't know if only Balthazar has levain, I just know they do. I italicized it because it's a French word and it seemed right. I'm not sure they insist on it.
And I for one am happy there's not sourdough everywhere here in NYC. I don't like it and it was distressing to find it in every single bite of damn bread in the whole town. My husband and I used to refer to it as "the tyranny of sourdough."
Best San Francisco style sourdough bread in NYC?
Balthazar Bakery makes a levain but I haven't tried it so I don't know how it compares to San Francisco sourdough.
What is the best pepper mill on the market?
I love my Pepperguns. I have a white one I use for sea salt and a black one for pepper. I especially love that I can operate it with one hand. Very useful when I'm busy in the kitchen. I've used them for years and have no complaints.
Is imported food safe?
I've added the link into the post as well, Lou. Links are stripped out of questions currently. It's on our list of things to get fixed asap.
Quesadilla dilemma!
I've never even heard of a quesadilla machine, and can't figure out why you'd need one. Skillet is what everyone used in Mexico when I lived there. I agree with other folks, return it, and put your money towards tortillas, cheese, and avocados!
What's your favorite recipe to showcase duck eggs?
I've only ever had them while eating out. But I had a poached duck egg on top of beef cheeks at Spotted Pig in New York City and it was delicious.
The Serious Eats Doughnut Glossary
Growing up in Minnesota, we didn't actually have a ton of local doughnut shops at the time, so we had to get them from grocery bakeries.
My local grocery store had both long john's AND eclairs - the key difference being the filling. Long Johns had none and sometimes had sprinkles or coconut topping - where as eclairs were filled evil.
Healthy food blogs?
My blog is all about eating healthy but making it taste just as good as the bad stuff! Hope you enjoy!
Healthy food blogs?
Young Living Circle Blog has some healthy recipes, and is getting more all the time. I know one of the authors is getting ready to put their awesome KimChi recipe up.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
So... Megnut... you criticize $5 as being "okay" for a $10 order, but not enough for a $25 order. Instead, you suggest always paying 20%.
Little bit of math for you:
$5 on a $10 order = 50% (WAY more than you would give)
$5 on a $25 order = 20% (What you claim you would give, but if it's Greg ordering, this is, by your own account, too little.)
Healthy food blogs?
Hello,
I've been working on a personal site of mine for several months now and think it might be able to help. I have a tab within my site called, "recipes". It can be found: www.shar-on-nutrition.com
I'd love to know your comments, questions or suggestions :)
What is the best pepper mill on the market?
I like Paula Deen's pepper mill, the peppermate, www.peppermate.com
It has a bottom catch, and it grinds very efficiently - I've had mine for many years.
Question of the Day: Any former vegetarians out there? What happened? Why'd you go back to meat?
I was a vegetarian between the ages of 13 and 22. One night (about 2 months ago) I decided that I simply wanted a steak. Right there and then I went to a diner with my best friend and she watched me down a steak. It was incredible. Not only was that night amazing, but since then I have SO much more energy than I did before. For nine years I had issues with energy. It hit a climax last year when I literally could not stay awake at 2pm every day for months. That went away after I started to take insulin pills (I was diagnosed with pre-diabetes at that ime), but I was still kind of low on energy, moody, depressive...
I swear eating meat has been my savior! I feel like a new woman! I literally feel like a completely different person. I have energy now! And I'm not as moody or depressive... wow, things are different! Plus I feel more like "me"... I never saw myself as the girl who'd eat a salad at a steakhouse while her date had a rare one. I saw myself as the down-to-earth-red-meat-eating chick even when I didn't eat meat for 9 years.
I love steak! I can't ever be a vegetarian again!
Healthy food blogs?
Another vote for CheapHealthyGood! She writes for Serious Eats, too, so she MUST be good :-)
Healthy food blogs?
I know of a great website. She is new but is starting to get a lot of attention. Check it out. http://junkfoodkids.com
Paula Deen Is Trying To Kill Us
Its real and its here... (as disgusting as it is)
Paula's Fried Butter Balls
2 sticks butter
2 ounces cream cheese
Salt and pepper
1 cup all-purpose flour
1 egg, beaten
1 cup seasoned bread crumbs
Peanut oil, for frying
Cream the butter, cream cheese, salt and pepper together with an electric mixer until smooth. Using a very small ice cream scoop, or melon baller, form 1-inch balls of butter mixture and arrange them on a parchment or waxed paper lined sheet pan. Freeze until solid. Coat the frozen balls in flour, egg, and then bread crumbs and freeze again until solid.
When ready to fry, preheat oil in a deep-fryer to 350 degrees F.
Fry balls for 10 to 15 seconds until just light golden. Drain on paper towels before serving.
Full recipe is here: http://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/paula-deen/paulas-fried-butter-balls-recipe/index.html
Whats the difference between this recipe and deep fried mozarella or deep frying whole turkeys or chickens (before baking) or even Krispy Kremes which are deep fried TWICE?? All of which I cannot stomach.
Healthy food blogs?
This was posted on SE a few weeks ago:
http://www.chicagotribune.com/features/food/chi-0429-health-blogsapr29,0,4064625.story?track=rss
All of the blogs featured there have some great information and recipes!
Healthy food blogs?
Check out my blog at www.FoodForLongLife.com. There is no need to trade taste for health. This blog has delicious food (from raw food to vegan to seafood) along with beautiful pictures for each recipe and nutritional information.
Paula Deen Is Trying To Kill Us
you people really need to get a grip.. its not like shes forcing you to eat any of her foods and she will tell you herself that she puts a lot of butter in her food.. i mean seriously butter and cream cheese isn't half as bad as deep fried ice cream or deep fried candy bars and twinkies.. and yes people really do fry these things or how bout Duck Confit (sp?) which is duck boiled and or baked covered in duck fat..lol fatty unhealthy recipes have been around forever, its up to us to learn self control and portion control..lol
Paula Deen Is Trying To Kill Us
people seriously...butter mixed with cream cheese isn't that crazy...if any of you have ever eaten cheesecake..guess what? its got both butter and cream cheese..only thing not there is the deep frying that paula added! :)
Healthy food blogs?
I recently found a site called Calorista. They test lots of different healthy foods and rate and review them so that it's easy to find the best one. Really useful. http://www.calorista.com
What's your favorite fair/carnival food?
Cream Puffs at the Wisconsin State Fair! And fried cheese curds. And root-beer flavored milk from Herb Kohl's stand- see, people in the government DO come up with good ideas, sometimes :)
What's your favorite fair/carnival food?
Malassadas! They are the Portuguese version of fried dough - crispy yet soft and chewy, and rolled in sugar while still hot. Sooo good!
Love the site, hate the color scheme?
lmao @ adams comment
Paula Deen Is Trying To Kill Us
It's hard to watch Paula Deen when she is making a dish or chicken soup.
Whatever the recipe is, I have trouble getting thru her programs. No. 1 She talks over making the food and her spittal goes right into the food! Yuck!
It is not professional at all. No. 2 she tastes everything with the spoon or
fork she is using. So gross! She does not show great hygine when cooking. Her dna is going into everything she makes when talking over preparations. I would not want to eat anything she makes! At least talk
away from the dish being prepared and don't touch the dog, or your hair.
Never put the dish cloth over your shoulders either...all that hair and who know what else sitting on the shoulders. Totally grosses me right out!
Hope she takes some advice and changes many of her way's!!!
Healthy food blogs?
@musclemonsters-that's a new name, welcome!
Healthy food blogs?
I have made a blog on healthy food for anyone who want to change their eating habits and lifestyle.
Check it out at http://healthyfoodblog.wordpress.com/
Paula Deen Is Trying To Kill Us
I have been eating for close to 5 years a low carb diet. I eat tons of fat, butter, eggs, red meat, pork chops, veges galore. Have not eaten one bite of sugar, flour, rice, bread in this entire time. Not one cheat. I am not over weight, I am very healthy. So you roll your eyes and say, Wow her cholesterol must be very high. Not so. I recently had my cholesterol checked and was told they could be framed and put on a wall as being ideal. Fat is not the evil it is combining fat with high carbs that cause great problems. No I will not eat deep fried butter balls not because it is butter but because it has bread crumbs in the recipe. I love Paula, I love the South and I love southern cooking just the low carb way.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
I'm usually a 15-20% tipper--more in the winter here when there is serious lake effect snow going on. But this thread got me thinking about an essay from NPR's series "This I Believe." The essay is "Be Cool to the Pizza Delivery Dude." Here's the link:
http://www.thisibelieve.org/dsp_ShowEssay.php?uid=23&lastname=Adams&firstname=Sarah&yval=0&start=0
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@dbcurrie We've done exactly that, twice. Capital has received the report and says the temps are fine. And we do have a Ventahood over the stove. But it's the heat vented around the door that's causing the problem. Re: globalization: Capital is a US brand and my understanding is the stoves are made in the US, could be wrong about that though. And we're very much in contact with them about returning the stove.
Does anyone know where the guidelines/standards are for residential and commercial grade stoves? That's really what I'd like to see.