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weird reasons for not trying certain foods?

On the farm I grew up on, we had morel mushrooms. Not a lot, though, so finding them was quite exciting. I'd bring them home to my parents, would help clean and prepare them, but eat them? Not a chance. The very nooks and crannies I found so fascinating made me think of brains, and I couldn't eat them. (As you could guessed, I wouldn't eat brains, either...)

Today, I'd love to try them, if I could ever find them again! *L* I love all kinds of mushrooms now.

I still won't do tapioca pudding. It always reminded me of frog's eggs. Even though drinks with the tapioca on the bottom - those look even worse to me! Oysters are another one I won't try. To me, they look like giant boogers. I can't imagine how some ancient hominid broke open an oyster, saw that gray slimey thing and thought it looked at all edible. Someone had to be really desperate and starving to give it a try.

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Easter 2009: What are Your Plans?

Being Polish, Easter is almost as big a deal as Christmas in our household. ;-) No work at all is supposed to be done on Easter - even peeling eggs is considered work - so the contents of the basket are used a lot. Ours typically includes lots of eggs; kraszanki (eggs boiled with onion skins), boiled eggs dyed with food colouring, and I've taking to doing "dragon's eggs" for the peeled eggs (soft cooked eggs have their shells cracked all over, then cooked again in a mixture of tea, soy sauce, and other ingredients, which leaves interesting patterns after peeling), and wax resist dyed blown eggs we use every year. No one in our family likes the traditional Babka, so I make an egg bread, shaped into a wreath. Then there's ham, kielbasa, salt, butter, cheese and horseradish (I try to find a piece of root instead of prepared horseradish). We add some chocolate, too. Our one non-traditional treat. ;-)

I've got a photo of last year's basket here, minus the wax resist eggs. link

Others include things like fruit, wine, rye bread, as well as a candle. The filled and decorated baskets would be taken to church for blessing on the Saturday. I always loved seeing what other people put in their baskets.

From Talk

Serious Efforts: Whole Wheat Sourdough Bread?

What I usually do is add 3 cups of whole wheat flour (for a 2 loaf batch) when I first start mixing flour into the liquid ingredients, then finishing off the batch with AP flour. I don't add more, simply because the family doesn't like it as much. It usually works out to be between 1/3 and 1/2 of the total flour used.

I like to use rye flour in my sourdough breads, too. Softened steel cut rolled oats is another family favourite. I also like to add flax seeds, but the rest of the family isn't too keen on them, so I don't do it often.

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Eat 3.1 Ounces of Meat for a Happier Earth

I grew up on a small, largely self-sustaining farm - we raised cows and chickens, occaisionally pigs, geese and turkeys. We grew most of our feed for our animals, as well as vegetables and fruits for ourselves. My sister was a dairy farmer until she and her husband converted to beef. Their neighbours are all farmers of various specialties, but mostly beef and dairy. Most are organic, or very close to it, though none are certified organic. I grew up surrounded by farms raising animals such as cows, chickens, geese, hogs, bison, llamas, and even ostrich. There were also farms growing grains, oil seeds, corn and potatoes. Currently, I live in the heart of Canada's beef country, though I'm in the city again.

I know that things are done differently in the US, but the animals that end up on our grocery store shelves are NOT necessarily eating a grain based diet. Especially cows. It is not only rediculously expensive to feed an animal so large a strickly grain based diet, such a limited diet would make them sick. Likewise, the feed for poultry and hogs must have a variety to be nutritionally adequate. Stay far away from any company that claims their poultry, for example, has a vegetable only diet. Their natural diet includes bugs, worms, and sometimes each other (we had free range chickens with plenty of food, but they still killed and cannibalized the weak ones). They require protein for their health, and I'm not sure how those "vegetable only" feeds get adequate protein.

Not eating meat isn't going to magically mean more crop land for people food. Different soil types and local climates are better for different purposes. Some are ideal for growing grain, but would be poor for growing vegetables. Land that's good for pasture or growing hay and other greens for cows is not necessarily going to be good for growing food for human consumption. They also need water and shelter, so there's incentive to keep trees, ponds and watering holes, etc., which adds to the diversity of wildlife.

As for damage to the environment, growing grains, etc. are FAR more damaging than growing grasses or leaving it for pasture. There's a tremendous amount of soil loss from any crop that requires plowing and planting. There's also greater soil nutrient loss, as nutrients are not replaced as easily. Add in increased risks of plant diseases and insect infestations due to such large areas having only 1 or 2 types of plants growing in it, too. Oh, and all the equipment needed for planting, irrigation, and harvesting.

Probably the least amount of effort and intervention is needed for raising cattle. You let them loose on the pasture, rotate the herd to other fields as needed to prevent over grazing, and keep an eye on them for illness. Cows are pretty good at taking care of themselves. It isn't until they head out to market that things get more intense - from what I understand, the US uses feedlots quite a lot. I personally don't know a single beef operatore that uses feedlots, though I can't say what happens after the animals are sold at auction. With the hoops people need to jump through to get organic certification, many don't bother. The meat in your supermarket is as likely to be organically grown as not. The most invasive and destructive practise, IMO, is large scale mono-culture agriculture. Ponds get filled in, trees get bulldozed down, every useable inch gets plowed under, then herbicides, pesticides and fertilizers become increasingly necessary to maintain healthy crops.

From my personal experience, if you want to help the environment, eat a steak.

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weird reasons for not trying certain foods?

On the farm I grew up on, we had morel mushrooms. Not a lot, though, so finding them was quite exciting. I'd bring them home to my parents, would help clean and prepare them, but eat them? Not a chance. The very nooks and crannies I found so fascinating made me think of brains, and I couldn't eat them. (As you could guessed, I wouldn't eat brains, either...)

Today, I'd love to try them, if I could ever find them again! *L* I love all kinds of mushrooms now.

I still won't do tapioca pudding. It always reminded me of frog's eggs. Even though drinks with the tapioca on the bottom - those look even worse to me! Oysters are another one I won't try. To me, they look like giant boogers. I can't imagine how some ancient hominid broke open an oyster, saw that gray slimey thing and thought it looked at all edible. Someone had to be really desperate and starving to give it a try.

From Talk

Easter 2009: What are Your Plans?

Being Polish, Easter is almost as big a deal as Christmas in our household. ;-) No work at all is supposed to be done on Easter - even peeling eggs is considered work - so the contents of the basket are used a lot. Ours typically includes lots of eggs; kraszanki (eggs boiled with onion skins), boiled eggs dyed with food colouring, and I've taking to doing "dragon's eggs" for the peeled eggs (soft cooked eggs have their shells cracked all over, then cooked again in a mixture of tea, soy sauce, and other ingredients, which leaves interesting patterns after peeling), and wax resist dyed blown eggs we use every year. No one in our family likes the traditional Babka, so I make an egg bread, shaped into a wreath. Then there's ham, kielbasa, salt, butter, cheese and horseradish (I try to find a piece of root instead of prepared horseradish). We add some chocolate, too. Our one non-traditional treat. ;-)

I've got a photo of last year's basket here, minus the wax resist eggs. link

Others include things like fruit, wine, rye bread, as well as a candle. The filled and decorated baskets would be taken to church for blessing on the Saturday. I always loved seeing what other people put in their baskets.

From Talk

Serious Efforts: Whole Wheat Sourdough Bread?

What I usually do is add 3 cups of whole wheat flour (for a 2 loaf batch) when I first start mixing flour into the liquid ingredients, then finishing off the batch with AP flour. I don't add more, simply because the family doesn't like it as much. It usually works out to be between 1/3 and 1/2 of the total flour used.

I like to use rye flour in my sourdough breads, too. Softened steel cut rolled oats is another family favourite. I also like to add flax seeds, but the rest of the family isn't too keen on them, so I don't do it often.

From Serious Eats

Eat 3.1 Ounces of Meat for a Happier Earth

I grew up on a small, largely self-sustaining farm - we raised cows and chickens, occaisionally pigs, geese and turkeys. We grew most of our feed for our animals, as well as vegetables and fruits for ourselves. My sister was a dairy farmer until she and her husband converted to beef. Their neighbours are all farmers of various specialties, but mostly beef and dairy. Most are organic, or very close to it, though none are certified organic. I grew up surrounded by farms raising animals such as cows, chickens, geese, hogs, bison, llamas, and even ostrich. There were also farms growing grains, oil seeds, corn and potatoes. Currently, I live in the heart of Canada's beef country, though I'm in the city again.

I know that things are done differently in the US, but the animals that end up on our grocery store shelves are NOT necessarily eating a grain based diet. Especially cows. It is not only rediculously expensive to feed an animal so large a strickly grain based diet, such a limited diet would make them sick. Likewise, the feed for poultry and hogs must have a variety to be nutritionally adequate. Stay far away from any company that claims their poultry, for example, has a vegetable only diet. Their natural diet includes bugs, worms, and sometimes each other (we had free range chickens with plenty of food, but they still killed and cannibalized the weak ones). They require protein for their health, and I'm not sure how those "vegetable only" feeds get adequate protein.

Not eating meat isn't going to magically mean more crop land for people food. Different soil types and local climates are better for different purposes. Some are ideal for growing grain, but would be poor for growing vegetables. Land that's good for pasture or growing hay and other greens for cows is not necessarily going to be good for growing food for human consumption. They also need water and shelter, so there's incentive to keep trees, ponds and watering holes, etc., which adds to the diversity of wildlife.

As for damage to the environment, growing grains, etc. are FAR more damaging than growing grasses or leaving it for pasture. There's a tremendous amount of soil loss from any crop that requires plowing and planting. There's also greater soil nutrient loss, as nutrients are not replaced as easily. Add in increased risks of plant diseases and insect infestations due to such large areas having only 1 or 2 types of plants growing in it, too. Oh, and all the equipment needed for planting, irrigation, and harvesting.

Probably the least amount of effort and intervention is needed for raising cattle. You let them loose on the pasture, rotate the herd to other fields as needed to prevent over grazing, and keep an eye on them for illness. Cows are pretty good at taking care of themselves. It isn't until they head out to market that things get more intense - from what I understand, the US uses feedlots quite a lot. I personally don't know a single beef operatore that uses feedlots, though I can't say what happens after the animals are sold at auction. With the hoops people need to jump through to get organic certification, many don't bother. The meat in your supermarket is as likely to be organically grown as not. The most invasive and destructive practise, IMO, is large scale mono-culture agriculture. Ponds get filled in, trees get bulldozed down, every useable inch gets plowed under, then herbicides, pesticides and fertilizers become increasingly necessary to maintain healthy crops.

From my personal experience, if you want to help the environment, eat a steak.

From Serious Eats

Eat 3.1 Ounces of Meat for a Happier Earth

People who suggest we have to choose between meat and the earth don't know much about raising animals for food. Animals are great for taking nutrients from sources undigestible by humans (ie: the hay and grasses ruminants eat) and converting them into a form we can eat - meat.

From Talk

weird reasons for not trying certain foods?

Growing uo on a farm in KS my brother and I wouldn't eat chicken because we knew them personally.

From Talk

weird reasons for not trying certain foods?

p.s.- oops I lied...when I was little I wouldn't eat the legs in calamari and other squid/octopus dishes because I thought the suckers would stick to my tongue...

From Talk

weird reasons for not trying certain foods?

I know a guy who is so put off by milk that he won't eat any dairy products or anything that looks remotely dairy...his reason "it's white"

it seems in my area fish in general is just a big "ew" but I can't get anyone to give me an actual reason why they won't eat it

my father...most confusing of all...refuses to try sushi because it's raw fish yet he swears up and down it can't possibly be raw because "americans have poor immune systems and would just get sick" he fails to acknowledge his own contradiction

as for myself...maybe it's because both of my parents are immigrants or maybe it's because my dad is a chef but I can't remember ever flat out refusing to try any food...well other than anything involving bugs...I was always the kid to try anything from cat/dog treats to leaves to the glazes in art class (which pretty much all taste the same btw)

among friends I have a bit of a reputation as "a foodie" solely because I actually know what's in/goes into foods and how they're prepared...I find it alarming that other people don't know and/or don't care to know

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weird reasons for not trying certain foods?

If it's looking at me, I'm not eating it. Fish with the eyes still on are wayyy far from me. Same thing for shrimps and lobsters. although I eat the lobsters, but only if they are facing away from me.

my brother has a radar for bell peppers. even if it's the tiniest piece hidden in the dish (like we added one piece after it was cooked) he'll find it, take it out of his mouth and throw a fit.

One of my exboyfriends was terrified of milk, in the way that he'd drink his glass straight up; never letting it go in the glass after a sip...because he was disgusted by the milk sliding on the sides of the glass. He said he could see his saliva in the glass and it threw him off.

From Talk

weird reasons for not trying certain foods?

Junie - I can't remember but I think it was something PBS or BBC?

From Talk

weird reasons for not trying certain foods?

Food texture is what puts me off on most things...

For example, I do not like scallops because they are fishy marshmallows. And eggplant is like a vegetable sponge.

From Talk

weird reasons for not trying certain foods?

Love this discussion.. I'll try anything once. I spent two years stationed in Japan during the Vietnam war and traveled to nearly all the countries in the Western Pacific. Lot's of foods that aren't *normal* to your average American. Whale in Japan, mystery meat from a street vendor in the Philippines, octopus, squid, and many unknowns.

Only things I'll never eat again are raw jellyfish and raw fish roe.

From Talk

Easter 2009: What are Your Plans?

We made reservations, and it is all good!

From Talk

Easter 2009: What are Your Plans?

@JerzeeTomato: The recipe looks amazing! But I don't understand (maybe because I am not a baker) what you use the lemon curd for? As a substitute for the lemon buttercream for the filling?

From Talk

Easter 2009: What are Your Plans?

Years ago, I gave a dinner party right before Easter and, unthinkingly, served rabbit. A guest exclaimed, "You mean we're eating the Easter Bunny?" Much laughter followed. Since then, we have always had rabbit for Easter dinner.

From Talk

Easter 2009: What are Your Plans?

@HeartofGlass - Oh, what an awful thing for her to say! If I were you, I'd cook something lovely just for myself, pour a big glass of bubbly and eat pounds of candy after. Hers might be "real," but yours will be more fun!

From Talk

Easter 2009: What are Your Plans?

Easter is a sad holiday for me--my mom has passed away, and my father celebrates Orthodox Easter--for me, Easter is chocolate and rabbits and pastels, for his family Easter is having the kids be quiet while the adults roast huge chunks of lamb on open spits. I invited him out for my Easter last year--to his favorite restaurant--but my stepmother just lectured me about how I don't understand that my Easter is 'fake' while hers is 'real.'

This year, I think I may spend it alone with chocolate.

From Talk

Easter 2009: What are Your Plans?

Not sure this year - I found out a couple of weeks ago that I'm going to be in the country, so my mom and aunts are throwing something together. I'll probably ask what I can bring and then pick it up from Whole Foods; the kitchens in those "extended stay" hotels don't exactly lend themselves to goumet cooking :-(

Usually, we'd start with breakfast of hard-boiled eggs and hot cross buns; then have a late lunch/dinner with the whole famdamnily of ham, green bean casserole, yams, etc, etc, etc... Last year it was right before the movers were coming to pack up the house, so I got the whole meal from the Honeybaked store - the ham rocked but the rest was so disappointing!

From Talk

Serious Efforts: Whole Wheat Sourdough Bread?

I agree with those that have said to use only approximately 1/3 WW flour. I know you won't have time, but a few months back I got some King Arthur Flour sourdough starter, that I've been diligently keeping alive. I'd say it's just about time to make some sourdough bread!

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Eat 3.1 Ounces of Meat for a Happier Earth

Mherzog0 means: "Here is a propaganda video created by PETA"

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Eat 3.1 Ounces of Meat for a Happier Earth

I eat very little meat and I think that it's obvious that eating a diet low in animal protain subsequently lowers your intake of saturated fat. It's good for you, and because not eating eat means you are not supporting animal cruelty on factory farms, your conscience is clear, you save money, and you do the earth a favor as well.

Winners, all around.

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Eat 3.1 Ounces of Meat for a Happier Earth

@mh330: "Ergo, meat is bad for the earth."

Saying that all meat is bad for the earth is not true, and saying it just makes the problem worse. Because, as you've seen in this thread, lots of people consider eating meat to be an inalienable right. Telling them to stop cold turkey (or cold beef) isn't going to work.

However, what they CAN do is stop buying meat that comes from factory farms and confined animal feeding operations, and start buying it from places that raise their animals naturally. Not only does a grass-fed cow contribute much less pollution to the environment than a CAFO cow, it tastes better too!

@kunoichi: "Animals are great for taking nutrients from sources undigestible by humans (ie: the hay and grasses ruminants eat) and converting them into a form we can eat - meat."

That's true, and they also convert those nutrients into milk, but the fact is that most ruminants on farms in this country aren't grazing on pasture, they're eating corn-based feed, grown with petroleum-based fertilizers. When it gets right down to it most of our agriculture in this country is a system for turning oil into food, often with corn as the intermediate form.

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Eat 3.1 Ounces of Meat for a Happier Earth

I'm surprised at the people who don't believe there's a connection between raising meat and polluting the earth. Factory farms (which is where your meat is coming from if you buy it at the grocery store) is a big emitor of greenhouse gases, in the form of methane gas. Additionally, we are buying oil from the middle east to produce articifial petroleum-based pesticides & fertilizer in order to grow grain that is then fed to animals that were never meant to eat grain in the first place. Add to that all the antibiotics these animals are fed, which wind up in our groundwater.

Factory farms are not good for the earth. The VAST majority of meat eaten in this country comes from factory farms. Ergo, meat is bad for the earth.

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Eat 3.1 Ounces of Meat for a Happier Earth

@Wally, yeah, I know. I just didn't want to do that much math.

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Eat 3.1 Ounces of Meat for a Happier Earth

I was going to make a joke about how there are plenty of vegetarians where I'm from, so my minimal meat consumption (which HAS been dropping of late, due to rising costs) is easily averaged away probably down to that... but uh, people are taking this conversation so seriously, I think I'll just say ... nothing.

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Eat 3.1 Ounces of Meat for a Happier Earth

Wow. This is the agricultural equivalent of "You can't make me give up my SUV! I don't care if my daily commute consumes enough fossil fuels to power a house for a day! It's my right! WAH! WAH! WAH!"

Lots of meat isn't good for you -- OR THE EARTH! It's not hard to understand.

Those animals that would've been raised and then eaten? Just won't be created. That farm land devoted to raising livestock feed can grow something else.

@Regrettable foodie: It does not mean that necessarily. It could also mean that for every veggie, nine people eat 13.3 ounces/day, which is very easy to believe.

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Eat 3.1 Ounces of Meat for a Happier Earth

"Um....16 oz is a lb. 12 oz is therefore no where close to a pound and a half. Most burgers are 6 oz or so"

I'm aware of that. I was talking about averages. To get to an average of 12oz it means for every person who eats no meat there is someone who eats 24oz of meat. Which is, I believe, a pound and a half.

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Eat 3.1 Ounces of Meat for a Happier Earth

Wow, people aren't too keen to skimp a little on the meat are they? I think the suggestion to go from 3 servings of meat to a single serving is more than reasonable. Our waistlines would do well if we ate a little less of everything.

The point should again be stressed that its not the earth we are looking to save, its the earthly climate that humans can survive in. We are pretty fragile creatures with big egos and aren't nearly as special as we'd like to think.

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