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Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
Had a vegan friend in grad school make me a pineapple upside-down cake (my FAVORITE) with applesauce. One of the best birthday cakes I've ever had.
Corollary to the applesauce question. Has Splenda replaced sugar for anyone? I've used it in some recipes and while I could notice a difference, it certainly didn't make the recipe bad at all.
Why are you a serious eater?
For me it has been a wonderful mix of the three themes above.
Family - My mother and my sister are incredible cooks. I didn't catch the bug until later, but there were signs. Mixing 'potions' in the kitchen with mom when I was a kid; sous chef in charge of chopping veg for soups when I was a little older; and now gathering around a table when the family is together in whatever pieces can be in the same place at the same time. Somewhere along the way, discovered that I not only liked to eat, but that I loved to cook, to talk with people about ingredients and techniques with which I was unfamiliar. Since then I have to buy my own socks and underwear at Christmas because my stocking stuffers are kitchen utensils, bags of South Carolina grits, and cookbooks.
Community - Both in terms of creating and sustaining a community of food that is both local and a driver in a diverse economy and as a collection of farmers and cooks, parents and friends. I think that food by its very nature is communal, and that friendships and families are strengthened by sharing meals. Taking the time to make the meal a part of that strengthening, and not simply the sustenance that allows us to keep breathing. I think as we spend time at SeriousEats, on Facebook, and in our daily lives thinking more about connecting with people and why those connections are important, that I take time to weave cooking/eating into that connection.
Flavah - Yeah, it matters that what I eat tastes good. I concur with several of the above comments that make sure "serious" is not conflated with "stuffy" and that the All-American Burger and Fries, or a bowl of tomato soup on a cold day are held in as much regard by some as Gigot en Chevreuil on page 341 of Mastering French Cooking. Grabbing a beer and a dog at the ballgame and spending six hours in the kitchen on Thanksgiving are equally important and serious bits of food to me.
The Food Lab: Perfect Boiled Eggs
So many great memories of soft-boiled egg on toast at the kitchen table on Saturday mornings. Thanks for the article! Got me all ramped up to bake some bread and boil some eggs. Damn my electric stove for temp control, but it still worked out pretty well.
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What Michael Pollan Has Been Up To Lately
Well, I guess the call to action worked as there's a comment troll shilling for factory farming in the comment section here. Look, I don't argue that you can't go back to a 1940s economy in the US and still feed people. But if I make the economic choice to stop eating as much as I can from factory farming, don't get all huffy with me and tell me I'm destroying America; that's a crap argument. I am exercising my economic choice just like farmers are when they decide what techniques and methods to use in producing their crops.
And scare tactics about losing the family farm are pretty low. There's a huge exemption on the inheritance tax so the VAST majority of family-owned farms would NEVER be hit by a single penny of tax. Specious political scare-tactic argument used to frighten rural voters.
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
Had a vegan friend in grad school make me a pineapple upside-down cake (my FAVORITE) with applesauce. One of the best birthday cakes I've ever had.
Corollary to the applesauce question. Has Splenda replaced sugar for anyone? I've used it in some recipes and while I could notice a difference, it certainly didn't make the recipe bad at all.
Why are you a serious eater?
For me it has been a wonderful mix of the three themes above.
Family - My mother and my sister are incredible cooks. I didn't catch the bug until later, but there were signs. Mixing 'potions' in the kitchen with mom when I was a kid; sous chef in charge of chopping veg for soups when I was a little older; and now gathering around a table when the family is together in whatever pieces can be in the same place at the same time. Somewhere along the way, discovered that I not only liked to eat, but that I loved to cook, to talk with people about ingredients and techniques with which I was unfamiliar. Since then I have to buy my own socks and underwear at Christmas because my stocking stuffers are kitchen utensils, bags of South Carolina grits, and cookbooks.
Community - Both in terms of creating and sustaining a community of food that is both local and a driver in a diverse economy and as a collection of farmers and cooks, parents and friends. I think that food by its very nature is communal, and that friendships and families are strengthened by sharing meals. Taking the time to make the meal a part of that strengthening, and not simply the sustenance that allows us to keep breathing. I think as we spend time at SeriousEats, on Facebook, and in our daily lives thinking more about connecting with people and why those connections are important, that I take time to weave cooking/eating into that connection.
Flavah - Yeah, it matters that what I eat tastes good. I concur with several of the above comments that make sure "serious" is not conflated with "stuffy" and that the All-American Burger and Fries, or a bowl of tomato soup on a cold day are held in as much regard by some as Gigot en Chevreuil on page 341 of Mastering French Cooking. Grabbing a beer and a dog at the ballgame and spending six hours in the kitchen on Thanksgiving are equally important and serious bits of food to me.
The Food Lab: Perfect Boiled Eggs
So many great memories of soft-boiled egg on toast at the kitchen table on Saturday mornings. Thanks for the article! Got me all ramped up to bake some bread and boil some eggs. Damn my electric stove for temp control, but it still worked out pretty well.
Should Restaurants Be Allowed To Ban Laptops?
Multiple thoughts here.
Cafe - Not a fan of bans. More coffee for more wifi seems fair. Should there be a page requirement for the dead-tree readers?
Restaurant - Kinda depends on both the place and the time. If it's 3pm in a non-fine-dining joint with enough space, get on with your bad self. But if the restaurant asks you to put it away...just do it. Two way street, you don't have to eat there and they should be happy for business (it's why they opened), but they also don't have to permit you to do whatever you want if it's interfering with their plans for the place. And remember, THEY do kinda get to define what 'interference' is (though books are hardly high on my radar for damnable actions that ruin my meal).
The Crab Pot: One Crab
When I was growing up we sailed each summer on the Chesapeake Bay. My sister and I would take the dinghy out when we anchored at night and crab with butcher's twine, a weight, and chicken necks and backs.
We'd let the bait drop on four or five lines around the boat in shallow water near the shoreline and pull them up every 7-10 minutes. About 2 feet from the surface, you'd be able to tell if a crab was on the line and call for your sibling to get the net. Scoop down and from the side so the net came up under the crab in case he got wise and dropped off the bait.
Fill up your bucket with Maryland Blue Crabs and take it back to the boat for Old Bay and beer steaming followed by a cutthroat game of poker with M&Ms for chips.
Cook the Book: 'Seven Fires'
feijoada. please give me feijoada! multiple bits of pork. AND beef. AND beans. a HUGE bowl and some rice? c'mon. that's the bee's knees and then some.
Weekend Cook and Tell: Sandwiches!
I went open-faced braised pork shoulder with Dijon/Lime sauce. It did not suck even one tiny little bit...
'Top Chef Masters' Host Kelly Choi: 'Food Bloggers Are Mean'
@Adam Kuban - Thanks. I think the provocative part of the quote is still something worth talking about, and agree with @lawofmurphy that most food blogs are about cooking AND that Choi is mostly "tilting at widmills."
The vast majority of food blogs I have seen are simply a blogger's personal relationship with food and cooking. To let any media, be it traditional, new media attached to traditional, or other bloggers, try and paint food bloggers with her broad brush in the initial portion of the quote does a disservice to all of us who simply love food and want to share our perspective with the world.
And/But while that vast majority of blogs are positive, informational and/or instructional; there are those who believe the ability to post opinions about restaurants or food on the internet justifies that opinion as well-formed. Oftentimes the coexistent beliefs that having no editor means your blog requires no technical proficiency in writing AND that your audience will be better off for having read your hatchet-job review find their way into the mix as well.
So I suppose 1)Choi's quote is misleading in-and-of itself and paints with too broad a brush; but 2) there are enough examples of her kernal of complaint to warrant use of the quote as a jumping off point to have that meta-chat about what makes good food blogs and why people might think food bloggers have some monolithic uber-foodie chip on their shoulders.
Wow, and that is WAY too much typing in my 'professional' voice and WAY too long since I wrote snark-ily.
'Top Chef Masters' Host Kelly Choi: 'Food Bloggers Are Mean'
I had some serious snark and venom ready. I even typed it out. But then I thought better of myself and went to the source to read the full quote. And my snark and venom went away.
“The whole idea of blogging about let’s say a new restaurant opening and really cutting down on them — if there’s anything really negative, the form of being anonymous and doing it rampantly is cowardly."
That was the first part. That was the part that will get any number of SeriousEats.com folks in a tizzy. And that's the part that got me pretty damn pissed at Choi.
Then I read this, which IMMEDIATELY followed the above statement. Response to the same quesiton. In the same answer. In the same paragraph:
"There’s definitely a place for constructive critique, but every now and then you come across a review for a restaurant, meal or service that’s just biting, and that’s really uncool. I don’t see it too often, but if you have a real complaint and if you feel that strongly, I hope that person expressed that in the restaurant. You can say anything if you do it nicely.”
I agree with that. She was imprecise in her initial reaction, and then qualified and expanded on it. She's not anti-food blogger. She's anti-food bloggers who "every now and then you come across a review for a restaurant, meal or service that’s just biting, and that’s really uncool."
Too true. "Every now and then" you do. She's not saying every food blog is crap, or that every restaurant review is negative, biting, or cowardly.
There are food blogs that feel it is important to be negative, that believe trashing a joint is good blogging and who will defend negativity in the name of 'letting the people know' and 'expressing my personal opinion.'
Both true statements, but also not why I got into blogging about food, so I'm less inclined to be sympathetic. I do this because I love cooking and food. I want to share the exceptional things I've eaten, to give someone a chance to find a new place that's good, to tell stories about people cooking food that make my readers want to eat there, to create something in MY kitchen that makes the people who eat it and who read about more excited about food.
And because there are bloggers who think it's there job to tell the world about the 37 seconds too long they had to wait for their overpriced combo meal or the maitre d' who clearly sat the out-of-towners in their favorite seat to spite them for being 10 minutes late for a Friday night reservation; Choi's quote gets clipped in a manner that gets food bloggers all riled up.
Fah!
I think that communities of interest have some responsibility to self-police and I think that in general the Darwinism of the public food blogger world will also answer some of Choi's gripe. If there are comment trolls, we let them know. If there are crap food blogs, we probably don't read them. But to stand in 'blogger solidarity' because someone in the food world but not the blogger world expresses an opinion about some of the negativity out there in the 'sphere is an unproductive use of bandwidth.
Go find a restaurant you really like instead. And blog about it.
Served: Your Waitress Gets Reprimanded
wow. someone forgot to close their ~snark tag this morning...i have to wonder if this is a glass houses/stones thrown moment. 'cause really, as much as we all strive to do things right, eventually we get yelled at. perhaps @henryfan just hasn't had his moment yet. then again, i think with hannah's readers here, and in the immortal paraphrased words of KrisKross, 'warm it up fans. we're about to. sock it to @henryfan, 'cause that what we were born to do...'
i'm just sayin'...
Cook the Book: 'Modern Spice'
North African fur sure. Tagines and slow cooked stews with gobs of spice? YUM.
Regional Fast Food Chains
@many - Chik-Fil-As must be nationwide now, they're all over the east coast, north and south...
Favorite frozen entrees?
Jumping on the Marie Callendar Pot Pie bandwagon. Watch me do it. I'm jumping...NOW.
Also, I can't believe while there have been frozen pizza mentions already, no one has busted out the Stouffer's French Bread pizzas! A toaster-oven cooking bachelor's DREAM food.
And on the breakfast tip, don't be a hot-pocket hater. Yes, we should all wake up early and make steel-cut oatmeal with local organic maple syrup (and that's not sarcasm, I really dig that s%$&). But I'm also a lazy person who is a 12-15 snooze button freak. So the breakfast lean pockets are occasionally life-sustaining.
Baltimore Cheap Eats?
The Lex is a great idea.
Golden West in Hampden is fantastic.
Ze Mean Bean in Fells Point's a great Eastern European joint.
Anything in Canton Square including Helen's Garden and Nacho Mama's are fun spots with local flavor.
Link to Blog Not Working
huh, that's odd. the preview showed the code you needed...lemme try one more time a different way.
a href="LINK URL" before the link
/a after the link
add to bracket the code above
Link to Blog Not Working
add before the link you want and after.
Remove the [ and ] from the above.
Ex. - you can read more about hamburgers at A Hamburger Today. The link will show up blue in the comment preview.
Breaking: More Obama Burgers; Orders Lunch from Five Guys
Oh, no. Not Jalapenos? Please, Sean Hannity, tell me the President isn't signaling his love for ILLEGALS with this move? Oh, the horror...
~snark
Regional Fast Food Chains
@hkydiva - I drove by a Wienerschnitzel once. But I was on my way to my first In-N-Out burger experience and got a little jumpy. Next time I'll do both!
Regional Fast Food Chains
And hey, someone talk to me about Red Robin. I've seen their ads here in West Virginia but I've never seen a store...It looks like they're everywhere on the map based on their website.
Regional Fast Food Chains
@lots-o-folks - while I love Sonic, and know it started in OKC back in the day, i don't know that you can really call it regional fast food anymore. the OKC folks can get their sonic fix in LA, NY, and Huntington, WV...so...I'm just saying.
As for Sheetz...that's a tough one but I think it fits with the theme here. Not a drive thru traditional fast food place, but definitely fits the vibe of what I was going for here. Still mostly regional in the mid-atlantic/southeastern part of the country.
It has clones in other regions. Wawa's anyone?
It's a gas station/convenience store with a sandwich shop inside. Touch-screen ordering allows for the folks in the kitchen to keep moving and get it right (most of the time).
Sheetz calls its MTO (Made to Order), and includes such interstate staples as the Schmuffin (breakfast sandwich on a muffin, heh), and Schmagel (Bagel).
Wawa has soups and salads in addition to their hoagies and wraps. They've also gone the 'flatbread' route in their extra category of sandwich that seems cool trending.
Regional Fast Food Chains
@hungrygrl7 - I grew up in Morgantown, WV and can't believe I forgot to mention Eat n' Park. It's not fast food drive-thru, but the thread has leapt away from that to inlcude some sit-down regionals (there was a Perkins shout out somewhere up there).
There are two in WV (Morgantown and in Clarksburg). Clarksburg's as far south as they go. The farthest east is somewhere around Lancaster. I'd know I was making progress on the drive home from college in Connecticut when I saw the first Eat n' Park sign on I-78.
Spent so much time there in high school I could order my Breakfast Smile by the numbers the waitress punched in to the computer for the order.
Regional Fast Food Chains
@HeartofGlass - Agreed on the Dunkin' in airports. But if people want to mention them, I'm certainly not going to be comment police. They sure were a regional chain, and there are still gaggles of peeps who have never heard of them, or that if you order a "regular" coffee at a DD in New England, you're getting cream and sugar heaped in...
Regional Fast Food Chains
@BobbieAnne - There was an Arthur Treacher's in Syracuse when I was there 8 years ago.
Regional Fast Food Chains
@Chew - Dunkin' Donuts may get a pass on the drive-thru guideline, but I think I've seen them? I live out of Dunkin' world these days. I'm in the world of Donut Connections, which really are just NOT as good.
The Food Lab: Perfect Boiled Eggs
@bgruber
Thanks to SeriousEats convenient comment subscriptions, I get comments forwarded to my inbox, so yep. Still reading them.
As for the answer... em... because Cook's Illustrated readers like their salmon more well-done than I do?
shh... don't tell Chris!
The Food Lab: Perfect Boiled Eggs
Kenji, if you're still reading the comments on this...
"This is very similar to the gunk that seeps out of the surface of overcooked salmon."
When you did the poached/steamed salmon on ATK, you had white gunk, but made a point to say that it didn't mean the salmon was overcooked. Why the discrepancy? Was that a special case because of the cooking method?
Also, thanks for this and all of your articles on here. They've been great.
What Michael Pollan Has Been Up To Lately
Hey meatguy, so well put . When my head swims with this elitist organic,grassfed ,locovor,sustainable,carbon print crap from the mid town Manhatten crowd I think : Africans are so lucky ,every thing they eat is organic and grassfed . If they live long enough they may even move up to sustainable from starving .Why doesn't the midtown NYC farmers present the "ignoble prize" for nutrition to Pollan's leftist African leaders for their great advances in Agriculture ?
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
Thank you for a timely post. As part of a fast I'm doing with others from church, I'm fasting from dairy (except mayo), so trying to stay away from eggs and butter during this time. I love dessert, so looking to replace eggs and butter with tasty alternatives. Thank you all for contributions.
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
I use applesauce occasionally, but only when it goes with the rest of the flavours in the recipe. More often I use plain yogurt (or flavoured if I'm making something with fruit).
I don't like most veg. oils in baking, I find they make for really greasy food. I do, however, replace half the butter in my choc. chip cookies with unrefined coconut oil... and then add coconut flakes to the recipe...yum!
I replace most eggs with a combo of flour, butter, baking powder and water. And I despise fake sugars - no splenda for me - but I have been known to use banana as a sweetener.
For the ultimate in replacements check these out: http://www.101cookbooks.com/archives/nikkis-healthy-cookies-recipe.html
...even better than they look!
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
I have only tried replacing oil with unsweetened applesauce in home-made muffins and I think they taste terrific! That goes along with adding other low calorie/and or low fat ingredients to the muffins.
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
Re Splenda -- It is fine in "wet" applications like cheesecake, but if you want to make a sugar-free cake or something else using the "cream butter and sugar together" method to give it structure, you will have to use maltitol or another sugar alcohol. They have the sugar structure but no calories. That's what manufacturers use to make sugar free candy, etc. Also, if you have ever looked at a package of sf candy, you will see on there somewhere (generally in very fine print): "Warning, may have a laxative effect." That's the sugar alcohol. They are not kidding, either! It's worthwhile using the sugar alcohols if you need to, but be careful.
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
I've only used apple sauce once and I liked the results. I've heard that you should use A.S. in place of all liquids. I don't really bake that much so I can't really say for sure.
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
I have used applesauce as a substitute in a spicy bar cookie. The applesauce flavor was a nice complement to the raisins, nuts and spices, and it kept the cookie moist. It was a big hit with my son who was a vegan at the time and wanted something sweet for the holidays.
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
What a great thread. I think substituting butter with applesauce works really well in certain applications. I almost always use it (or yogurt) because when I make cakes, I usually make carrot or spice cakes. The flavor and texture the applesauce adds works very well. Also in oatmeal cookies. Makes them super chewy.
However, if I am making something more delicate in flavor, or something where the butter flavor is supposed to shine through I go ahead and use butter. Those things are always for special occasions anyway.
Oh and pie crusts (obviously). I was a vegan for a while. I made a pie crust once with coconut oil which was ok. But nothing can compare to a flaky all butter crust.
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
Nope. I've never done it. I love my butter too much. And since baked goods are where I eat the vast majority of my butter, I don't see a reason to change...unless I'm baking something for a vegan. That, however, has not been a common experience in my life.
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
Regarding the comments about Splenda: I use Splenda in place of sugar for every recipe that calls for sugar. Especially ice cream. I don't understand the comment about Splenda being greasy. I've never experienced a greasy feeling or taste using it. As a matter of fact, I can't detect any difference in flavor or texture whatsoever.
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
I've been using extra virgin olive oil for 99% of all my cooking.
The other 1% is made up of butter or grapeseed oil. Mostly the grapeseed oil.
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
I've used applesauce as a fat substitute from time to time. I can detect it in yellow/white cakes, but not in other flavors. It does keep the cake moist, but as mentioned above, the cake is much lighter in texture. I will not sub it in carrot or banana cake.
I've never heard of using pumpkin or bananas, but I'm willing to give it a go, just to see what the end product tastes and feels like. Where can I find more information on this?
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
No. I don't substitute for Butter, I won't use fake sugar in things, and I won't used fake milk either. Better to have a little bit of real food that tastes good and feels right in your mouth then have the fake stuff more often.
@kitchengeeking as to your splenda question, that stuff, like all the sugar substitutes I've tried leave my mouth feeling greasy. It seriously feels like I rinsed my mouth with bacon grease, then had a big glass of cold water. YUCK!
The Food Lab: Perfect Boiled Eggs
@ScoutinSpokane - sounds like something that might be good for the toaster oven.
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
i just read a recipe for granola that has you swapping out the oil for fruit puree. i think it was on david lebovitz's blog. he says it makes the granola chunky and extra crunchy. i never use oil in my granola, but i do miss the clusters you get in the commercial kind, so i think i'll try it.
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
i bake vegan so i normally use bananas and vanilla soymilk in place of dairy, which always yields delicious results. however, when i tried to use pumpkin instead... raging failure: http://lveggplant.wordpress.com/2009/10/22/chocolate-chip-pumpkin-muffins/
The Food Lab: Perfect Boiled Eggs
I adore soft boiled eggs!! I could eat 10 at a time for sure!
Anyone use pumpkin (or apple sauce) and oil to replace butter?
I used homemade applesauce once to replace the eggs in a cake mix. The cake was incredibly moist and yummy.
The Food Lab: Perfect Boiled Eggs
Kenji,
The heat transfer rate/area = (coefficient of thermal conductivity)*(T_bath-T_egg)/distance
The equation is the same regardless of the medium. The dependence on the medium comes from the thermal conductivity coefficient.
Also, I agree with you that we are the only two involved in this conversation right now :)
The Food Lab: Perfect Boiled Eggs
I may have missed it, but I didn't see any comments about baking "hard boiled" eggs. I didn't think it would work when I saw the article, but just set the raw eggs on middle rack of a cold oven, (they recommend a little foil on the bottom of the oven in case one is cracked and breaks - never had it happen) set oven temp to 325, set timer to 30 min., when timer goes off, drop in very cold water. I've done it several times, worked perfect everytime. Tried pulling some out at 25 min., yolks were not completely set good enough for devilled eggs, but perfect for eating with a little salt and pepper. One complaint about this method is wasting electricity just for a few eggs. I had my potatoes wrapped in foil, some bread rolls rising, and some jalepeno poppers that I bake as an appetizer ready to go in at appropriate times once full temp was reached. Egg salad sandwiches, potato salad, some appetizers, and probably hashbrowns for breakfast in my future. What energy waste?
The Food Lab: Perfect Boiled Eggs
@pookay
p.s. All of this is starting to remind me why thermodynamics was my second least favorite class in college :)
The Food Lab: Perfect Boiled Eggs
@pookay - yes, you're right. I jumped the gun in my response there. I stand corrected.
But at the risk of putting my foot in my mouth again, I'm going to ask you another question: my immediate reaction is that your statement that the rate of heating is inversely proportional to the distance is not quite accurate, because it does not take into account the heat transfer coefficient of the egg. In a vacuum, yes, the rate of heating is proportional to only the distance, but an egg has mass, and so there is a coefficient involved, and that coefficient is proportional to thickness of the egg that the heat has to pass through, so does that not turn the equation into an exponential one instead of a linear one?
And one more question: are we losing the other SEers here? :)
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Well, I guess the call to action worked as there's a comment troll shilling for factory farming in the comment section here. Look, I don't argue that you can't go back to a 1940s economy in the US and still feed people. But if I make the economic choice to stop eating as much as I can from factory farming, don't get all huffy with me and tell me I'm destroying America; that's a crap argument. I am exercising my economic choice just like farmers are when they decide what techniques and methods to use in producing their crops.
And scare tactics about losing the family farm are pretty low. There's a huge exemption on the inheritance tax so the VAST majority of family-owned farms would NEVER be hit by a single penny of tax. Specious political scare-tactic argument used to frighten rural voters.