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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

I love La Rosa's for sentimental reasons, but really, Snappy Tomato is my preferred Northern KY pie. It wasn't a junior high slumber party without a Beast delivery.

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An Open Challenge to Food Blogs on 'Major League Eating: The Game'

Team AOL Food/Slashfood here. My colleague Kristyn Pomranz is in possession of both machine and game, and it's ON. Brooklyn or Manhattan - have virtual grub, will travel.

Kat Kinsman

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Debunking Food Myths

One night in a deli line, I heard a 20-something gent holding forth to friends about how Yogi Berra used to own the Yoo-hoo company. I was able to, in all honesty, turn around to him and say, "Well, I actually work for Yoo-hoo and while he was a spokesman, he never actually owned the company."

I gave out free key chains. Everyone seemed to leave happy.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

I love La Rosa's for sentimental reasons, but really, Snappy Tomato is my preferred Northern KY pie. It wasn't a junior high slumber party without a Beast delivery.

From Serious Eats

An Open Challenge to Food Blogs on 'Major League Eating: The Game'

Team AOL Food/Slashfood here. My colleague Kristyn Pomranz is in possession of both machine and game, and it's ON. Brooklyn or Manhattan - have virtual grub, will travel.

Kat Kinsman

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Debunking Food Myths

One night in a deli line, I heard a 20-something gent holding forth to friends about how Yogi Berra used to own the Yoo-hoo company. I was able to, in all honesty, turn around to him and say, "Well, I actually work for Yoo-hoo and while he was a spokesman, he never actually owned the company."

I gave out free key chains. Everyone seemed to leave happy.

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How Do You Feel About Valentine's Day?

My husband and I just use it as an excuse to buy each other bottles of really lovely bourbon & rye. It's unofficially become Bourbontine's Day. Otherwise - screw it.

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Mini-foodie perks in Nick Magazine: Moto for the 10-year-old set

>>Rhetorical question: If a restaurant were designed to look like Fabio, would the kids flock to it? If they didn't who would and where would the best seats be?

Not so much kids as Romance Readers, and the best seats would be nestled within the taut, tender crevasse between his rigorously waxed man-bosoms, or possibly 'neath the tangled, tawny waterfall of his untamed locks.

Nowhere near his pants, for they may burst aflame at any moment.

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Mini-foodie perks in Nick Magazine: Moto for the 10-year-old set

Aw heck - I don't actually really need to be taken to Moto. I just reallyreallyreally want to be.

(More with Fabio's mose: http://galleryoftheabsurd.typepad.com/14/2007/11/fabio.html)

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Mini-foodie perks in Nick Magazine: Moto for the 10-year-old set

Hee! The writer of the piece, Steven Stern, is actually a pretty darned serious food fan/writer (and a good friend of mine). He writes food stuff for the grown ups as well as for the Nick crowd, so I suppose his worlds are bound to collide.

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National Meatloaf Appreciation Day: End Pieces

Aw - LPC - I'm linking to this whole round of meatloaf coverage from AOL's Food section this weekend, and I'll make sure you get called out specifically, 'cause DAMN, that looks good.

I can't tell you how giddy this whole meatloaf fest made me. What's the next one gonna be? Casserole? Sauce/gravy? I can't wait.

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Cook the Book: Apple Pie

Black Cat Cafe & Bakery in Sharon Springs, NY. Vanessa Daou, the baker there, has magic in that there rolling pin.

And emptyage - I would say "Mom" but I don't think my Mom's ever made an apple pie in her life. My Dad, on the other hand, rocks at pies, but cherry and chess are his forte.

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Announcing National Meatloaf Appreciation Day

On this Day of Many Lay-Offs, we at AOL Food are blowing off some steam with an IKEA Meätlöaf. Pix TK.

http://www.aolfoodblog.com/2007/10/16/ikea-meatloaf/

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I'll Take (a) Manhattan

1. If there's rye around, I'll have a Manhattan - perfect, with Vya vermouth, please, and a twist. Don't be stingy with the bitters.

2. If there's Junipero or Juniper Green gin on hand, I'll take my martini with Vya (seriously - that's some incredible vermouth), a drop or two of Scotch (mmm...smoky...) and no olive.

3. If neither of those gins are available, I'll skip the martini, and take a Manhattan with bourbon - perfect, but with a cherry.

NEVER a vodka martini. The very idea of them makes me sad.

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Photo of the Day: Pig Tattoo

I've got cherries on my back! Better than a monkey I suppose, but then again - monkeys are awesome.

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'Top Chef' and the Broccolini of Doom

I'd love to see a Table Of Shame with the beet-cured pesto, the broccolini of doom, and the watermelon-gorgonzola gnocchi to see how that all shakes down. Colicchio actually used the word "gross" (though that make have been about the doll-head salad) for the first time that I can recall. Might any other keen-eared Top Chef fans tell me if there's been a previous usage?

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County fair food!

Bless you for that report, kj415. I love knowing that it's served with a side of "Lutheran glue". Wouldn't be hotdish without.

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Help! I Flunked the AOL Regional Barbecue Test

Olddad, I beg to differ. I can't say I've eaten at every pit 'n pig stop from Texas to Tennessee, but try my smoked brisket, slow mutton, and grilled lemonade and THEN tell me I don't know anything about BBQ.

We are ALL learning here, and I'd feel sorry for anyone who knew every single thing there is to know about any form of cooking, 'cause they'd have run out of surprises. The great joy is finding and sampling and savoring all the food and ways and means we haven't yet had the pleasure to. It's all about just going in with an open mind and an empty stomach.

And instead of telling me I don't know anything - share with me what you DO know. It sounds like you've got plenty of info to share, so howzabout fixing us a plate of it? I'm always hungry for more.

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Cook the Book: Hot Brown Sandwich

They're also super-popular just a shade North of the Northern KY border in Cincinnati. Growing up near there, I was used to 'em as a restaurant food, on the menu in my high-school's cafeteria, and sliced up all bite-size at parties. Imagine my surprise upon moving to Baltimore and having people start giggling at the mention of a nice plate of Hot Brown. Adding "burgoo" and "bourbon balls" to the conversation and explaining that we liked our chili as a 3-way with spaghetti and cheese sure didn't help matters much. I was a food weirdo from the get-go.

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County fair food!

If anyone has sampled the MN Fair's Hotdish-On-A-Stick, I beg of you - please describe. If you're still, you know, with us.

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Help! I Flunked the AOL Regional Barbecue Test

Oh - and clarifying - I wrote the quiz, not Raichlen, but I used a lot of his info. Hence - the "direct any quibbles to me" bit. About the quiz, bad weather, gas prices, Karl Rove, undercooked breakfast sandwiches. I may or may not be able to help, but I do nod quite sympathetically.

As for "pink" in the meat, it's a frequently appearing characteristic of meat that's been cooked low & slow with woods common to Texas 'cue. It may not appear in every TX BBQ, but you won't tend to find it in the characteristic meats of the other states offered as answers.

KK

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Help! I Flunked the AOL Regional Barbecue Test

Hey all,

I'm the new AOL food scribblin' person, so feel free to yell at me if I got any of my facts wrong/quibbly on this. I'm feeling pretty confident, though, 'cause I started at AOL this summer as the Grilling editor (and then they kindly decided to keep me around), so I've been slathering and smokin' 24/7 since May.

I loooove food blogs (and love Ed Levine's writing big time), and just thought I stick my head in and say howdy to all you nice people!

xxxKat

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

Re: LaRosa's marketing--is it still 347-1111? I only lived in Cincy for 4 years and moved away 15 years ago! La Rosa's was our go to, but last time I had it, I was 15.

I will admit though that I was very close to ordering LaRosa's pizza kit online when the order form came with my box of Montgomery Inn sauce. I think I may just buy a whole slew of Mett's. Can't go wrong there, can ya?

Oh..and Goldstar over Skyline any day.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

La Rosas sucks.

Romundo's in Mt. Lookout square is the best in Cincinnasti

Ramundo's Pizzeria
3166 Linwood AveCincinnati,OH45208-2955
Local: 513-321-0978

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

But there sure is a lot of big city snobbery in this thread. I guess people living in New York, L.A. and Chicago have access to great food, but the rest of us (you know, all us little people down here in fly-over country), will be content with Cheese-Whiz on Ritz crackers and Hamburger Helper. And when *we* drink Pabst Blue Ribbon, we're not being ironic hipsters.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

I think a lot of the loyalty you see for LaRosa's is just based on tradition. It's always been their family's favorite, so there you go. But the quality has gone seriously downhill in recent years. Someone needs to come in and revive the brand.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

lol @ archie45

I lived in Cincinnati for 5 years and was never really impressed with most food from there. I will say though, I've had La Rosa's a few times that it was actually really good. If they would stop serving it at Kings Island and The Zoo where it sucks royally, it might not gross me out as much now. Either way, I learned to except mediocrity out of most things from Cincinnati. Sorry guys, I still love you but Louisville is so much better. haha ;)

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

The pretentious snobbery is downright commical. Who, honestly, eats pizza and critiques it like its a fine wine??? (and I'm referring to the comments not the review)...

If I want something local I eat LaRosas.
If I want something cheap and quick I order Papa John's
If I want to go out and eat a pie I get the family together and we go to Dewey's...

I eat them all, they all taste good...to sit here and complain about the amount of seasoning in a piece of sausage that's swimming in cheese and sauce is, well, typical east side cincinnati d-bag mentallity.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

it's a shame you never got a chance to hit flying pizza. uber-nice NYC style - not in in the same park as larosas. talking major league vs class a

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

@christin: Thanks for the inside info! As I said in the review, I thought the cappocola was the best meat I had at LaRosa's. Very interesting that it comes from a different supplier than the rest. As for your comments on the pan crust, you might be right that they did not give me the correct crust - that would explain a lot.

@everyone who suggested other foods: this is a pizza blog so that's all I wrote about here. My quick thoughts on other food in Cincinnati: I am a big fan of the chili and think the differences between Skyline and Goldstar are overblown; I can't comment on Camp Washington because their failure to open on Sundays has stopped me from trying it both times it would have been possible. Montgomery Inn does not smoke their ribs and the sauce is really sweet and overpowers the meat. They're not bad, but they're not worth the hefty price tag nor worthy of their reputation. Graeter's remains one of the best ice creams I've ever had.

@CabbyRam: Thanks for sticking up for LaRosa's. I do wonder how they deal with the congealing cheese problem with their deliveries. Or do you think some people don't mind it?

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

i think if you're born in a place you are more disposed to love the food from that place. up here in dayton, ohio, there is a chain called Marion's pizza. people from dayton are just as loyal to Marion's as most cincinnatians are to larosa's. being from toledo, i used to think Gino's was the best. we live in little old germantown, ohio, now (pop. 5K) and are lucky to have three hometown, non-chain pizza places.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

I lived in Hamilton, a suburb of Cincinnati for almost 5 years. In my time there I tried LaRosa's not really impressed. BUT Hamilton had 3 local family run shops Chester's, Mililo's (SP?), and Richard's. Richard's was borderline OK. Chester's and Mililo's you could tell were family run and delicious. I believe Chester's had won the AOL Cincinnati CitySearch Award. All three of Hamilton's homegrown shops have been there for 50+ years.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

I'll go hungry before I'll eat a LaRosa's pizza. The Cincinnati area abounds in "resting on our laurels" restaurants, which I don't think could stay in business in many other cities. People patronize them because it's where they ate 30 years ago when they were in high school. I agree with others who've said Dewey's is the best pizza in the area. And sometimes my hubby and I drive all the way out to Fairfield to eat at an indy joint called Richard's. NYPD in Northside isn't bad, and it's cheap. But LaRosa's is so bad I'll even eat Papa Johns first.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

Love the Skline chili. Hate LaRosa's. It really sucks. They sell it at Kings Island and it is terrible.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

LaRosa's isn't the best stuff ever but you really didn't order very well. It also doesn't help that each location can have a huge variation in quality.

@CabbyRam Camp Washington Chili might be my favorite thing about Cincinnati. I didn't grow up here, so Cincinnati chili was a huge hurdle for me. But I absolutely love that place. No boil in a bag chili at Skyline/Goldstar for me!

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

I, too, worked at Larosa's in college. It is definitely subpar. Skyline, however...dreamy.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

i used to work at larosas.

-a lot of the meat comes from jtm, which i think is patently disgusting. i've been told by some others who have worked there for a lot longer that it never used to be this way-- the beef products used for the meatball and steak hoagies were true sirloin and quite tasty. nowadays, the meatball will fall off your sandwich and bounce from your kitchen table. this happened to me, i've never eaten it since. as far as meat goes, i think the turkey and cappocola are safe choices (a.k.a. not jtm products) but stay away from the sausage, beef, pepperoni, link sausage, and "steak" as they're essentially filler, salt and a small amount of actual meat. that's probably true for a lot of places though.

-the crust can also be hit or miss when you're dealing with pan style. it's supposed to be kept a certain way and it needs to be poked several times while in the pan (we used a barbeque fork) to keep from getting bubbles, before sauce and toppings are applied. there is an ungodly amount of oil used in the pans, which also detracts from the crust imho. the taste of vegetable oil is distracting once you notice it. it also seems to vary a lot in thickness. from the cross section it looks like you got a really disappointing pan crust... maybe even a hand tossed crust on accident.

-whoever said it smells like feet is right. after a short shift, my clothes reek of hot sauce. i personally really dislike the sauce when it's hot. much better served cold or lukewarm. it is relatively sweet which is also a turn off to many. the cheese is a rather unremarkable variety of provolone and does turn pretty rubbery if it's been sitting out for more than about 5 minutes. three cheese blend used to be my favorite thing about larosas but the ratio has been altered and it has a lot less ricotta.

all in all, the best best is to order a three cheese calzone--three pizza toppings and a side of (cold) pizza sauce to dip it in.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

I can only remember eating a La Rosa's pizza at King's Island, and that was La Rosa's recipe (what the different is, I have no clue...)

It works as something to eat at the amusement park.

If I'm in Cinci wanting pizza, I go for Donato's, which is still technically a factory/chain pizza, but tastes so much better. But then, I could get Donato's in Columbus (when I lived there, which also meant more time in Cinci!).

Now when my wife graduated college, we were eating at a bunch of German restaurants that I know I can't remember (I'm sure she still does...), and those were absolute heaven.

Last time I was in the area (CVG), I had the choice of Gold Star or Max and Erma's. I went to M&Es for the burger and tortilla soup for my craving, my wife had Gold Star, which was good for getting that craving fixed for her. We don't get back up north often enough.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

Okay, I'll do my best to defend LaRosa's. I'm originally from Cincinnati, but I went to college a skip away from Arthur Ave. in the Bronx, so I've been jaded by some darn good pizza from Full Moon and other NYC institutions the past few years. That being said, letting LaRosa's sit for fifteen minutes before eating it completely changes the consistency of the pie in a way which I've yet to experience with other pizzas. Since they use a provolone-based blend, it quickly congeals into a dried glue unlike a stringy-mozzarella when not eaten immediately from the oven. When I order LaRosa's, I make an effort to either dine in at the parlor or pick it up asap and rush home. If a LaRosa's pizza is cooked right (warning: some restaurants in the chain are better than others) it can be an enjoyable experience.

Why do people love LaRosa's in Cincinnati? My best guess is that it does a fantastic job in marketing and advertising. From having one phone number you can dial anywhere in the city, to the fact that the company has been extremely philanthropic towards youth sports and charitable programs, they know how to get people to buy their product. Additionally, they sell "buy one pizza, get one free" cards that can be used up to 10 times for only $10 making it a great deal for groups or large families. If you're going to a birthday party or a get together where pizza is being served in Cincinnati, chances are that you're going to be eating LaRosa's. Of course, since people associate the food they eat with the fond memories they have of events, LaRosa's practically creates a Pavlovian response for Cincinnatians.

I eat LaRosa's when I'm in Cincinnati for no better reason than I enjoy the sauce and I can't really get it anywhere else. The crust isn't always consistent and the toppings are skimpy, but they can turn out a good pie most of the time.

As for the other parlors in Cincinnati, it's a mixed bag. Donato's has it's own unique qualities, the most significant of which is a spicy sauce and a crust that is thinner than matzah. Dewey's is more of a traditional pie, but nothing that sets it apart from anyplace else in the country. If someone wants a pie that actually resembles NYC pizza, the closest is a place called Fratelli's out in the suburbs near West Chester.

@Chris: Now, when it comes to chili, I agree that Skyline's 3-ways are better than GoldStar. However, I think both chains pale in comparison to Camp Washington Chili.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

@adrian_lamo: I think you're sort of asking the wrong question here on Slice when you ask Daniel why he tried pizza in Cincinnati. It's our civic-slicey duty to try pizza in whatever city we're visiting. LaRosa's is a Cincy favorite, so it was the natural pick. I had heard a lot about it and am happy to see this come across the Slice Reviews Desk.

Thanks, Daniel!

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

@TeriN: Yes, Cassanos, square cut, slightly well done, salty crust....yum.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

@gastronmeg "granted, it is slightly north, but you still hop on 70 east to get here."

Sorry...nope...it's up I-71, which goes North East to South West...

Sure, you could take 70 east....AFTER going north on 75 for about an hour or hour and a half.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

@gschaefer: Adriatico's was better than Dewey's (the two places Lil and I visited on our one trip to Cincinnati), but calling it New York Style is a bit of a stretch. Dewey's reminds me of DiGiorno's, which is the best frozen pizza, but I wouldn't leave the house for it.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

jkloeker: perhaps my comment was too nuanced for you- i'm not surprised that larosa's review sucked b/c skyline chili sucks too. frankly, i think montgomery inn ribs also blow, but not as much compared to the chili or this pizza joint apparently.

and thanks, i do know where columbus is in relation to cincinnati. granted, it is slightly north, but you still hop on 70 east to get here. crikes. i was speaking in generalities here.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

I'm born and raised in Cincinnati, 40 years now. Grew up west side, now live east side. LaRosas is an affront to the very idea of pizza. Bland, doughy, substandard ingredients. The sauce, which the author liked, is like sweet thick tomato paste. Awful.

The reason LaRosas is so successful is that until recently there really wasn't much of any sort of alternative. Various Angilo's restaurants make better but not fantastic pies. Deweys, I will agree, is a good pizza, but there is nothing at all in town like the pies I've had up in Connecticut. The average corner shop there makes a pizza orders of magnitude better than anything here, and Modern Apizza in East Haven was a revelation.

Here on the east side we have a small family mini chain called Grammas Pizza. Note the lack of an apostrophe. I was amazed to find out it was for the Grammas family, not Gramma's or Grandma's pizza. Flavorful sauce, good cheese, thin enough crust (though I like a bit more bite) and they brush the edge of the pizza with garlic butter when they pull it out. They converted me from a "How many kinds of meat can you put on there?" guy to a "Plain with Extra Cheese" guy.

As to the chilli, it's an acquired taste. I've had it since I was in utero, so I love it. The people that hate it I swear if they'd not heard the word "chili" they wouldn't have any preconceived notion. If someone said "Here, have some of this Greek Meat Sauce" they'd have an open mind.

Oh, and for the record, Skyline has better 3/4/5-way and Gold Star has better Coneys.

As to Montgomery Inn, yes, they're not smoked. That doesn't mean they aren't good. I always get a jumbo slab and chips with extra sauce. It's delicious. It's not texas style pit BBQ ribs any more than the Chili is texas style Chile Con Carne. If you want smoked ribs, find a City Barbecue restaurant, though honestly, skipping the brisket for the ribs would be a shame.

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

good thing it isn't la Russa's cause then Tony would be suing them for trademark infringement too like twitter hahaha!

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LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of

@FrostyGhost.. You - Me a large Deluxe Marions.. name the piazza. 8-)

Born in the Dayton area, and Cassanos (on a good night) or Marion's is my favorite. "Cracker with a stain" as my husband calls it, but I've brought him around, at least he goes there without whining now -- close enough for me.

I also believe "favorite" has a lot to do with what Pizza first got it's hooks into you! I've loved others before and will again, but Marions / Cassanos cracker crust and square cut (especially the burnt edges!) are still my favorites.

I will admit to loving LaRosa on occasion, but we eat IN .. i'm not a fan of that one once it's cold. Love their sauce.

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Location: Brooklyn, NY / Sharon Springs, NY

About: I'm the senior editor of AOL Food & Slashfood. I drive a barrel smoker.

Favorite foods: Steak tartare, rye, chicken liver, movie popcorn, pickled anything, all manner of heirloom vegetables from my garden, smoked salt, fresh limeade, cherries

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