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I made a mojito last night. Nothing difficult about it. If anyone is interested in cocktails I would strongly suggest visiting this blog: http://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

@rachaeltb, so what about McDonalds, Burger King, Arby's and the like? I see your point, and I would be more open to tipping at a local place that I frequented if the service was always great, but it shouldn't be expected.

I've never worked in a restaurant, but do the cooks usually get a cut of the tips? As I understand it, they are just as busy as the servers, but don't get the tips, because they make a decent hourly wage.

I'm starting to sound like George Costanza, but does it ever end?

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Is it common to tip in other "service" areas other than dining? I have always lived the rural south where I honestly don't think that its common. I always tip at least 20% in a restaurant / bar, because that's how servers make there living. I understand that they are payed a very low hourly wage and they really do make their living on tips.

But the "barista" at starbucks? My barber? I never tip them. Working at Starbucks is not much different that working at McDonalds or any other fast food place and those people are never tiped. The same goes for my barber. I usually go to a guy that has owned his own shop for just pays rent to work somewhere, so I figure they should charge what they want to charge.

Am I a complete asshole? I did tip at my local coffee shop (when I had one) but thats because they offered great service and would roast any of there many coffees with just a days notice.

Also, every time this debate comes up I think of Mr Pink's rant on the subject from Reservoir Dogs.

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There's Nothing Fab About Prefab, Premade Drink Mixes

I made a mojito last night. Nothing difficult about it. If anyone is interested in cocktails I would strongly suggest visiting this blog: http://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

@rachaeltb, so what about McDonalds, Burger King, Arby's and the like? I see your point, and I would be more open to tipping at a local place that I frequented if the service was always great, but it shouldn't be expected.

I've never worked in a restaurant, but do the cooks usually get a cut of the tips? As I understand it, they are just as busy as the servers, but don't get the tips, because they make a decent hourly wage.

I'm starting to sound like George Costanza, but does it ever end?

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

Is it common to tip in other "service" areas other than dining? I have always lived the rural south where I honestly don't think that its common. I always tip at least 20% in a restaurant / bar, because that's how servers make there living. I understand that they are payed a very low hourly wage and they really do make their living on tips.

But the "barista" at starbucks? My barber? I never tip them. Working at Starbucks is not much different that working at McDonalds or any other fast food place and those people are never tiped. The same goes for my barber. I usually go to a guy that has owned his own shop for just pays rent to work somewhere, so I figure they should charge what they want to charge.

Am I a complete asshole? I did tip at my local coffee shop (when I had one) but thats because they offered great service and would roast any of there many coffees with just a days notice.

Also, every time this debate comes up I think of Mr Pink's rant on the subject from Reservoir Dogs.

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So I went to Williams-Sonoma and got a bottle of Zinfandel vinegar and a good Italian olive oil. The zin vinegar was a it too strong for me. I'm gonna try again tonight with half vinegar and half lemon juice for the acid.

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Thanks for the recommendations. I was thinking about adding a bit of lemon juice to brighten things up as well. I not a huge fan of vinegar.

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There's Nothing Fab About Prefab, Premade Drink Mixes

I took a bartending class when i was between jobs, and was surprised by the lack of thought that went into the "mixed drinks". I then took a class by Gary Regan that blew my mind by making me aware of how good cocktails actually use fresh ingredients. So I took another class by Dale Degroff, where I learned (along with many other things), that drinks like an apple martini can actually be made with real apples.

I was at a vacation home with friends this summer, and someone said she was going to the store to buy margarita mix. I told her to forget the mix and just buy a giant bag of fresh limes. She looked at me like I was crazy, but went along with it. 5 minutes after she got home I had a full pitcher of margaritas ready to go that everyone went crazy for. I love converting other people!

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There's Nothing Fab About Prefab, Premade Drink Mixes

I only drink mixed drinks at home, never at bars, because all those mixes are pretty horrendous. Bloody Marys that taste of corn syrup and aluminum...mojitos that taste like soda pop...$15 if you want a margarita made with decent tequila...why bother when vastly superior versions are easily achieved at home? Bars were made for beer. My kitchen was made for mixed drinks.

But to answer your actual question, I think many drinkers start out with things like Boone's Farm and sour mix and chocolate martinis because alcohol is an acquired taste. I know my 19-year-old palate wasn't prepared to appreciate a martini, but my 29-year-old palate most certainly is. As you begin to like the way actual alcohols taste, you begin to want to actually taste them.

So my theory is that the people buying these mixes don't actually really like alcohol, since these sugary, chemical-flavored mixers are meant to cover rather than enhance the taste of alcohol. These people want the effects of alcohol without the flavor.

Also, yeah, Mia Rose is right: Williams Sonoma is like the Sharper Image of cooking.

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There's Nothing Fab About Prefab, Premade Drink Mixes

I was taught to make a margarita when I was 11. It's a family tradition - we called it the Aubin Margarita. I've since found out that it's also a "Jamacin Style Gold" margarita to bartenders in the North East. It's just tequila, triple sec (or cointreu for people with money) and lime jc, either fresh or the sweetened kind (NEVER sour mix!). I wasn't introduced to pre-fab mixes until Appletinis and Cosmos started getting popular, and I'm not a huge fan. If I want juice and booze, I'll make a screwdriver. However, I've made some yummy punches using the Stirrings mixes - pairing with flavored vodkas and champagne or soda.

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There's Nothing Fab About Prefab, Premade Drink Mixes

I've pretty much always mixed my own fresh drinks...the pre-fab ones always taste a little off. Plus, it takes the fun out of fixing them yourself!
A lot of people probably do it for the convenience factor...just like the masses who buy pre-made stuff at the grocery. They just don't know what they're missing, I guess.

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I've tried Stirrings - they're not bad, although I would refrain from ones like "Mojito" - half the fun is getting mint stuck between your teeth. But when having a crowd, and you want a drink that is a little bit fancier, a high quality mix is a good option (I like the Lemon Drop best!).

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There's Nothing Fab About Prefab, Premade Drink Mixes

I started using fresh cocktail mixers about a year ago (in fairness, prior to that I was pretty much a bourbon on the rocks gal - no mixers needed). I was introduced to cocktails made with fresh juices at The Eastern Standard in Boston. If a bar that can manage a Red Sox game-day crowd (even during the World Series) can do it with fresh juices and house-made grenadine, I certainly can!

I recently turned a group of friends onto margaritas made with real juice and they saw the light!

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There's Nothing Fab About Prefab, Premade Drink Mixes

Is anybody really surprised that Williams Sonoma has pre-fab drink mixes? They also sell things like the "filled pancake pan" which obviously are completely useless to anybody except for soccer moms with too much time on their hands. But yes, pre-fab drink mixes are both gross and lame. I don't even want to know how that ingredient list reads.

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

I know I'm a little late to the table, but this is an issue that always gets me wound up and I just wanted to add my 20%

I was a barista for years, at an independent coffee shop and I depended on tips to survive. My minimum wage salary barely covered my rent and utility costs, so my tips provided me with food and other essentials as well as funds non essential items and activities which a person needs from time to time. To me a barista is no different than a bartender, they just serve different kinds of beverages. And I would assume that most people tip their bartender, even if all they are ordering is a bottled beer.
I actually labeled my tip jar "Karma Jar" and with the exception of one Hindu woman who found it offensive, people were very responsive to it. I always tip at least $1 esp if I know the tips are being pooled.

I also always tip the pizza delivery guys. They may get paid more than server rate, but they have to use their own car, and making frequent short trips does add to the wear and tear of any vehicle, plus buy their own gas and we all know how that's been lately. People have told me that it's not necessary to tip when a delivery fee is added to the bill, but more often then not that delivery fee goes to the restaurant, not the delivery guy. Pizza delivery can also be a rather dangerous occupation, for more info visit
http://tipthepizzaguy.com/
Which is a little snarky here and there but does give some perspective from the delivery guy's point of view

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

bitterwaitress.com a very funny and unfortunately frequently accurate site. I am a fifty-plus year old who has worked in the restaurant industry since i was old enough to hold a job and i have experienced the best and the worst that this occupation has to offer. I have been waitress, bartender, pastry chef, sous chef, manager, you name it- in several areas of the united states and in france. My personal observation is that most snarky customers who undertip or stiff the servers are generally HUGELY unhappy people who make themselves feel bigger and better by trying to make others-servers-feel small. Power trip. Supercilious behavior. General jerkiness. I once worked in a great beer-plate lunch-burger joint where we could tell the customers to screw off, get out, basically give thier guff right back to them. Sometimes it felt really good to call a jerk a jerk. I also like the line a fellow waitress friend uses on occasion when being jerked around by a customer. She sweetly smiles and says," boy, it must suck to be YOU." Generally, i love my job. I only wait part time now, and on most days it still takes me an hour or so to "decompress"--but i know that those snarks are out there and the law of averages states that i will have to wait on a few of them. I try to ignore them while giving them marginal service-sufficient service, nothing more. Then there are those times that the stereotype doesn't hold true. That is a welcome thing; unfortunately though, here in the deep south the stereotype usually holds true. I try to be a fair tipper--standard 15 percent, 20-25 percent if i have great, attentive service. Good tipping really IS good karma.

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I have read the comments with great interest. I live in New Zealand and generally there is no tipping. If I take a taxi I round up the amount owing, if the fare is a straight $20, then that is what I give. That is the norm here. There is no tipping of hairdressers for instance, and you might tip a waiter/waitress after having received truly good service and on a special night out. That amount is given as a thank you but it is not expected. The minimum wage here is $12.00 per hour from age 16 and that is before tax. I can't get my head around tipping. I feel that a working person ought to receive a "proper" wage and should not have to rely on tipping (people's mood etc etc) to make a living. Let the price of the meal reflect the true cost of that meal. Having said that, should I travel to the States, I would make an effort to find out how to tip correctly but I would prefer not to have to think about what is appropriate to give and suffer embarrassment through ignorance.

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

Servers remember who tips and who doesn't. The tippers will get more of my time, service and hospitality than the ones who tip poorly or not at all.

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

If you ever leave less than 10% for ANY reason - you are a thief. By federal law at least a 10% tip must accompany all service transactions. The problem with the law is that they punish the victim. You see, whether you tip or not Uncle Sam still taxes the server for a 10% tip, thus making not tipping a crime. The server pays a fine for a bad tip in the form of income tax. So when you do not tip you are actually taking money they earned from other customers. That makes you a thief. If the service was not up to par, speak with the manager. If you do not speak with the manager but leave a poor tip the service wasn't bad; you are just cheap. And to be quite honest if you get any food, be it what you ordered or not then the server has earned a 10% tip.

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

What about cows? Any thoughts on tipping cows?

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

I am a good tipper, WHEN my server is good. I believe that just like a bonus at other jobs, extra tip is all about how you work. For satisfactory service I'll give 15%. But, if the waiter is rude or ignores the table, I don't mind tipping less that that. I'm a reasonable person . . . if they can't figure out what they did wrong, then they'll probably just do it to someone else.

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@Jnash - As far as I've been taught, by my etiquette-conscious parents, it is not expected to tip the owner of an establishment - as he or she is receiving all of the profit anyway!

So, if your barber owns his own shop, or even your server (that is, if you are being waited on by Anthony of Anthony's Pizza) - a tip is not customary, nor expected.

And why should it be?

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

Once while tending bar at a smallish neighborhood pub, a gentleman seated at the bar left a few bills on the bar for me and went out the door. The man seated next to him, wide-eyed, snatched up the money and followed him out the door yelling "Hey Mister. You forgot your change." (Several other patrons, and me, watched open-mouthed). Shortly, the man returned, put my tip back on the bar and muttered something like, "he said it was for you."

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

Another thing you have to remember, is that the US is one of very FEW countries that tip. You go pretty much anywhere else in the world and they don't - it's included in your meal price.

So when you slam tourists for not tipping, they may come from some where where this is tradition and they figure, erroneously, that you are getting paid well enough to make a living.

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

I work in a very upscale bar and restaurant in Southern California. I personally think that most people don't tip as well as they would if they knew what goes on with their tip after they leave it. A server in our restaurant has to tip out 5% of their sales to the expediters (the gentlemen who keep track of the courses as they come out and deliver them to the tables...these are the guys you see who don't actually take your order or reccommend wine to you, but can balance five plates on each arm). Then that server must tip out the same percentage to their bussers (who are resposible for clearing, keeping waters filled, bringing bread and butter, etc). Then the servers must tip out their bartender, based upon their liquor sales figures (that's me..oh, and then I also must tip out bussers and expediters for bringing and/or clearing any food consumed at the bar). So say the bill is $100. That's $5 to the bussers, $5 to the expediters, another few bucks for me if the diners drank...and if the diners left 15% ($15), the server is keeping a few bucks.
Granted, this is a problem. And it becomes more of a problem because then a server feels cheated and doesn't tip out internally the way s/he should. So things happen like that particular server's food always seems to come out a bit late, or the waters don't get filled as promptly as they could, or the drinks seem to be a bit weak...and then the cycle begins anew with the leaving of a smaller-than-average tip.
I don't know the solution. I know I'm irritated when I make drinks all night for a particular server and I get three dollars from them at the end of the night while they are claiming "bad tippers". But I know the servers are irritated at having had sales figures on food totalling $1500-2000 and walking out of the restaurant with 80 bucks. Maybe if we were salaried, this wouldn't be the case. But a lot of bartenders and servers I know do these kinds of jobs for the cash...there is an attraction in being able to put one's paychecks in the bank and never touch them because there is always cash in the pocket. Having served and bartended for years, I am a good tipper...quite good...but with the internal tip-out system varying from place to place, even I don't know if the tip I'm leaving will come out accurate for everyone in the end...and I can't afford to start tipping 40-50% across the board.
Phew...what's to be done?

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

I often leave the standard 15% tip, with the exception of breakfast service at diners. Then I will usually tip higher, 20% or so. Why? Because breakfast is the meal where people are most likely to be in a rush to leave, without leaving a tip or tipping poorly. Just an observation.

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@wunami....bitter much? you chose the career to help people? or to get money? just wondering. yes, I generally tip at or above standard for regular service and above and beyond for great service.

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

Oh and the pizza delivery person makes minimum wage or more, plus reimbursement for their mileage, and they do nothing but pick up their order and go. I still tip 10%, but that's it. It's just like getting curbside service at a chain restaurant.

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

I tip as much as I can to anyone who serves me. Just came back from a very splurging vacation where I tipped doormen, baggage handlers, concierges, waiters, captains, hair stylists, shampoo people, cab drivers. As far as I can remember, all had started out giving good service, and all continued, with maybe a little added warmth, if I saw them or used their services again.

Big tipping is a nice thing to do, and good karma, if/when you can afford it.

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Served: My Plea To Tip Kindly

Okay, well the payscale I found for EMTs was ranging from 24K to 50K.

I'm not sure about all states, but in most states, servers don't make minimum wage. They have a "special" category for careers that are expected to make tips. In Missouri, that minimum wage is $3.30/hour. Which doesn't break $10K per year at 40 hours a week, which is nearly unheard of in the serving world. God forbid we be treated like salaried workers and be given benefits. And no server ever always gets premium nights (Friday and Saturday nights, preferably the first/last weekends of the month b/c that's when people get paid). Most restaurants have a "must work X number of lunch shifts". Lunch shift means you're usually lucky to break a true minimum wage per hour.

As far as hours go, most restaurants don't stop serving food until anywhere from 9-11 at night. Depending on the logistics of the evening, you might be able to get out in a hour. I've had many a Friday/Saturday night that started at 4pm and lasted until 1am. And I've had to throw a drunk out of a downtown restaurant, cut off someone else from drinking, and deal with a few bums.

I don't think servers serve a "public" duty like EMTs do or compare in level of importance. But to somehow say that servers don't deserve tips b/c you seem to hate your chosen career is just a leap of logic that defies any sort of reasoning.

I guess I could tip my doctors. But I think their salaries of anywhere from $250K to millions/year depending on specialty is good enough for me to think they're well off. And really, if tipping does depend on quick, friendly, efficient service with active listening to ensure that correct orders are taken and served to you promptly...how many doctors would really deserve their 10%-20%?

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I always tip after tax at restaurants when its just me and my husband. But if the service is bad I tip pre-tax. Here's my scale.

Pre-Tax 15% - Very Bad/Waited too long for everything/never had my water filled
Pre-Tax 18% - Bad service but want them to know it
After Tax 18% - Mediocre service but don't want to be a jerk
After Tax 20% - Good/Excellent
After Tax Over 20% - a regular server/patron of restaurant or bar or server is a friend

What are other people's thoughts on tipping pre-tax? When I have a party and the tip is included in the bill, its always pre-tax?

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