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$29.95 for America's Test Kitchen website?

Your comments are right on target. I subsribe to Cook's Illustrated and Saveur magazines. Cook's Illustrated is worthwhile to get recipes from occasionally, but Saveur has more authentic and varied recipes. Saveur's website is entirely free for all the recipes dating back to the first issue. Cook's Illustrated doen't warrant the subscription fee to access its site. I have all the issues, I simply get online to check certain recipes and the issue dates, I then look them up. They state that there is a charge because they have no advertisers...........they need to start accepting them. If you are desperate for a recipe, you can sign on for the trial subscription, and cancel before the trial time expires. Epicurious is the site that has all the Gourmet and Bon Appetit recipes, and they are all free. Cook's Illustrated is a bit behind the curve, but so is the bow tie that Mr. Kimball wears.

From Talk

What do foodies do?

I am a retired restaurant owner. I was forced to retire because the state purchased one property for the Tollway Authority headquarters, and then another authority bought my other restaurant for construction of a railroad overpass. Since I miss the food business so much, I just put in an 800 sq. ft. kitchen, and cook, eat, and drink all the time with friends and family.

From A Hamburger Today

Shake Shack UWS Madness On Tap: Let the Frozen Fries Start Flowin' in My 'Hood

Not necessary to make it an exercise in futility, it is quite simple.....there is no substitute for quality, and that goes for fresh french fries as opposed to frozen. Let's face it, fries aren't quite the same as dinner mints, they enhance the total burger and shake experience.

I was in the restaurant business for over 35 years, and one of my most popular restaurants was known for burgers, and we had one person doing fresh fries all day long regardless of the cost over frozen. My grandson said: "these are frozen fries, let's take the burgers home and make some fresh fries".

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Manhattan: Joe Junior

Nick,

I am a retired restaurant owner, and your comments about burgers are right on the mark. Keep it simple stupid.........I made a fortune selling burgers in 8 restaurants making them the way you like them.......ground chuck (no more than 80% lean), toasted bun, and american cheese along with great crispy fries, and a setup (tomato, lettuce, and onion) on request only. All burgers were served medium rare unless requested otherwise.

Ed

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$29.95 for America's Test Kitchen website?

Your comments are right on target. I subsribe to Cook's Illustrated and Saveur magazines. Cook's Illustrated is worthwhile to get recipes from occasionally, but Saveur has more authentic and varied recipes. Saveur's website is entirely free for all the recipes dating back to the first issue. Cook's Illustrated doen't warrant the subscription fee to access its site. I have all the issues, I simply get online to check certain recipes and the issue dates, I then look them up. They state that there is a charge because they have no advertisers...........they need to start accepting them. If you are desperate for a recipe, you can sign on for the trial subscription, and cancel before the trial time expires. Epicurious is the site that has all the Gourmet and Bon Appetit recipes, and they are all free. Cook's Illustrated is a bit behind the curve, but so is the bow tie that Mr. Kimball wears.

From Talk

What do foodies do?

I am a retired restaurant owner. I was forced to retire because the state purchased one property for the Tollway Authority headquarters, and then another authority bought my other restaurant for construction of a railroad overpass. Since I miss the food business so much, I just put in an 800 sq. ft. kitchen, and cook, eat, and drink all the time with friends and family.

From A Hamburger Today

Shake Shack UWS Madness On Tap: Let the Frozen Fries Start Flowin' in My 'Hood

Not necessary to make it an exercise in futility, it is quite simple.....there is no substitute for quality, and that goes for fresh french fries as opposed to frozen. Let's face it, fries aren't quite the same as dinner mints, they enhance the total burger and shake experience.

I was in the restaurant business for over 35 years, and one of my most popular restaurants was known for burgers, and we had one person doing fresh fries all day long regardless of the cost over frozen. My grandson said: "these are frozen fries, let's take the burgers home and make some fresh fries".

From A Hamburger Today

Manhattan: Joe Junior

Nick,

I am a retired restaurant owner, and your comments about burgers are right on the mark. Keep it simple stupid.........I made a fortune selling burgers in 8 restaurants making them the way you like them.......ground chuck (no more than 80% lean), toasted bun, and american cheese along with great crispy fries, and a setup (tomato, lettuce, and onion) on request only. All burgers were served medium rare unless requested otherwise.

Ed

From A Hamburger Today

Shake Shack UWS Madness On Tap: Let the Frozen Fries Start Flowin' in My 'Hood

I realize that I'm going to upset a lot of people, but I ate here last week, after reading the slew of favorable reviews and truly believe that this place is a triumph of hype over content. I'm from out of town, out of state, in fact out of country, but I've been coming to your fair city for almost thirty years now and I used to rate the burgers at the late lamented McHale's as the best in town, so was interested to try this company's much-lauded offerings. I ordered a cheeseburger, medium, with fries, a root-beer and retired to wait for the pager to buzz. (Side note to the owners: when there's a long line, it doesn't sit well with the other customers when a friend of the serving staff wanders in off the street, goes up to the counter, engages three of the staff in conversation and gets his burger almost immediately while people waiting on line are ignored.) By the time I got my order, I was pretty hungry and found a place to sit and eat. What I encountered was a mouthful of heavily salted greasy sludge in a cheap bun, with the cheese as a fatty and tasteless covering. The fries were also smothered in salt, but otherwise tasteless and if I hadn't already guessed that they were frozen, the guy wheeling the piled-high cartons labeled "Frozen Potato Products" or something similar around the kitchen would have given me a big clue.

The root-beer, despite far too much ice, was actually rather good, but the rest of the meal made me feel decidedly queasy. If this is really what you consider to be a great burger, then I fear for your nation's health. A better name for this place might well be Heart-Attack Shack.

(I should mention that I also find the burgers in Le Parker Meridien's Burger Joint to be overrated, but they don't seem to suffer from the same sort of mania that this place generates and they're far, far less greasy.)

From Talk

$29.95 for America's Test Kitchen website?

I bought a year of web access to cooksillustrated.com in Jan, 2008. In Jan,2009 I got e-mail notice that they were going to automatically renew for another year at $19.95 (60% increase) and that the 'normal' rate was $34.95. I called 800-526-8442 and told them I would renew at $12.50 but if the price went up to $19.95 I would not renew. They renewed for one year for $12.50. If they're willing to charge me $12.50, I'd prefer that they just do so instead of making me jump through these hoops.

From Talk

$29.95 for America's Test Kitchen website?

it does seem like they're trying to figure out something that works--'the deal' changes each time i receive e-mail from them..the convenience of having
their resources online may be worth some charge, though i can't see it
for mag subscribers..i've also found that between BEST RECIPE and BAKING ILLUSTRATED (two cookbooks i'd take to the desert island) that
most everything can be found--at least it's more expedient than searching
through piles of old issues! amazon sells both used (like new) very inexpensively, and they are definitely worth the one time expenditure.

From Talk

$29.95 for America's Test Kitchen website?

that would be "subscription questions" in the second paragraph :(-

From Talk

$29.95 for America's Test Kitchen website?

I have been a subscriber to CI for more years than I can remember, and have kept every single issue I have received. So it seems strange that I would subscribe to the website, but I really find it useful. That being said, I completely agree with the previous comments regarding horrible customer service.

I have had adequate, but not stellar customer service regarding questions (we move a lot as we are a military family -- FYI -- call several months in advance if you want to get it at your new location without a break in service). My biggest problems have always been when it came to their BOOKS; I have received two books that I had declined from telemarketing calls. I finally complained loud enough, I think, that they don't send them anymore. When they sent me a chicken cookbook that I had declined, they wanted ME to pay the shipping back. I flat out refused, so they sent a shipping bill to return it.

I finally cancelled Cook's Country (probably because finding the rooster every month was becoming too much of an obsession! HA!) because it seemed redundant to CI, and we're not a big casserole family -- too much similarity to Taste of Home for my tastes (which has a FREE website, BTW). I think it is absolutely idiotic that the two sites aren't tied together under the same subscription, and that there is no subscription break for magazine subscribers.

From Talk

$29.95 for America's Test Kitchen website?

I'm a personal chef and use the web site for many of my dishes, so I'll keep it. However, I read the magazine in my local library and then use the web site since the index is always up to date.

As far as charging, get used to it folks, the days of "everything free on the internet": is coming to a close! I too also had a bad experience with their customer service.

From A Hamburger Today

Shake Shack UWS Madness On Tap: Let the Frozen Fries Start Flowin' in My 'Hood

I agree fresh fries can be miles better. But with one big caveat:

It's pretty cramped in the original shack. If adding fresh fries took up more space from the other goodness I say no way.

BTW, hit the Shack in the park today. Saturday afternoon and I just strolled up to the window and ordered. Hey-heeyyy! Of course, it was like freaking zero and dark out. I sat under the new outdoor heaters and imagined they were working, along with a handful of other desperate burger freaks. I'm sure we were all thinking the same thing: "Shack burgers - no wait! Awesome! Hey, I can't feel my nose, but this burger is great!"

I loved every perfect, frozen, painful, beefy second of it.

From A Hamburger Today

Shake Shack UWS Madness On Tap: Let the Frozen Fries Start Flowin' in My 'Hood

i just ate at the UWS Shake Shack today on an adventure with some friends, and it was the best and most soul-satisfying lunch I've ever had. The burgers were juicy and well-sized, the concretes are beyond belief, and the fries were salty and great. The cheese sauce was also delish, and I'm NOT one for cheese sauce. We should give the argument over frozen fries a rest - the Shack serves great food that's meant to comfort, not impress.

From A Hamburger Today

Shake Shack UWS Madness On Tap: Let the Frozen Fries Start Flowin' in My 'Hood

Worst fries ever. I suppose they're marginally edible if you coat them in the cheese sauce that invariably becomes congealed by the end of your meal. Interestingly enough, In-N-Out's fries are similarly sub-par compared to the rest of their menu's offerings. But at least their fries are fresh and made to your preferred done-ness. Honestly, I don't care if they're fresh...but they should at least taste good. At nearly $3 for the fries (after the Shack's latest price increase) you'd think they'd be able spring for a bit more quality, you know?

From A Hamburger Today

Shake Shack UWS Madness On Tap: Let the Frozen Fries Start Flowin' in My 'Hood

(goes on an offtopic rant)

It's a sad day. I am reading Serious Eats and I just found out that some people here, of all places, like the things they sell as french fries at McDonald's.

Perfectly symmetrical fries... that's just wrong.

From A Hamburger Today

Shake Shack UWS Madness On Tap: Let the Frozen Fries Start Flowin' in My 'Hood

I think the real issue with french fries - whether they go into the fryer frozen or fresh - is when did they come OUT of the fryer? I've had plenty of fresh hand-cut fries that were unsatisfying because they'd gotten cold or overcooked.

But the frozen ones I had at the UWS Shake Shack Monday night were perfect - hot, crispy, and delicious. The last couple orders I got at the original SS weren't good, but it was because they'd gotten cold. The same goes for McDonald's, actually. Hot ones are good, cold ones are bad. To me, fries are always a gamble. Get two burgers or an extra scoop of custard instead!

Also? Shake Shack opening one block from my apartment has made my life complete.

From A Hamburger Today

Shake Shack UWS Madness On Tap: Let the Frozen Fries Start Flowin' in My 'Hood

Well, Thomas Keller uses frozen fries at his restaurants, and he's arguably the best chef in the country, so... I'd say it's probably not that big of a deal.

From A Hamburger Today

Shake Shack UWS Madness On Tap: Let the Frozen Fries Start Flowin' in My 'Hood

What EazyB said @ 1:28 p.m. Perfectly put. I don't know if I've ever found a fry I like more than a perfectly fried McD's fry. And that's frozen as hell. If the Shack went to those fries, I'd actually order them.

From A Hamburger Today

Manhattan: Joe Junior

Thanks again for the support everyone.

@ Hillary you are right but if BK wants to fly me to London to try it out I promise to keep an open mind....

From A Hamburger Today

Manhattan: Joe Junior

Nick...amen! I completely agree. When I want a burger, THAT is what I want...juicy straight up burger on a regular bun. Yum! Great first post! Looking forward to more.

Hillary
Chew on That

P.S. I bet you HATE the idea of the $170 burger in London from Burger King...

From A Hamburger Today

Manhattan: Joe Junior

Nick,
I am so happy to see someone reviewing that has so much knowledge in beef and burgers. 2 THUMBS UP! Gonna have to go to Joes real soon.

MayaMo

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