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Tipping on Alcohol

I think if you are getting some kind of exceptional wine/beverage service, i.e. a wine pairing per course or if the waiter/sommelier (spelling?) is particularly attentive or helpful, you should tip a bit more. But I agree with many others above, tip on the pre-tax total bill (because its usually all added up somewhere on the check).

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sexy food suggestions

@BananaMonkey: I WISH my boyfriend liked grilled cheese as much as I do!!

Agreed on the chocolate covered anything. But for dinner, I like spaghetti/angel hair pasta with any kind of sauce. Spaghetti with clams and butter...yum. I am more of a romantic, so the " Lady and the Tramp" approach to dates is up my alley.
And don't forget good wine ;)

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What's for dinner tonight-9/29

Turkey-Chicken burgers on lettuce leaves with hummus and tomato salad. If I am feeling adventurous I may go and buy a couple slices of an interesting cheese to melt on the burgers.

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Serious Cocktails: The Gin Boomlet

I love love Tanqueray and tonic of course with the ceremonial lime wedge. Though I just tried a Hendricks, soda and muddled cucumber cocktail and was very pleasantly surprised...
Actually, I have been trying to track down a bottle of Old Tom Gin. The research I've done has told me that this isn't brand but more of a type of gin. I think Plymouth is the label that makes it? Are there any others? Has anyone had any experience with this?

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Tipping on Alcohol

I think if you are getting some kind of exceptional wine/beverage service, i.e. a wine pairing per course or if the waiter/sommelier (spelling?) is particularly attentive or helpful, you should tip a bit more. But I agree with many others above, tip on the pre-tax total bill (because its usually all added up somewhere on the check).

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sexy food suggestions

@BananaMonkey: I WISH my boyfriend liked grilled cheese as much as I do!!

Agreed on the chocolate covered anything. But for dinner, I like spaghetti/angel hair pasta with any kind of sauce. Spaghetti with clams and butter...yum. I am more of a romantic, so the " Lady and the Tramp" approach to dates is up my alley.
And don't forget good wine ;)

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What's for dinner tonight-9/29

Turkey-Chicken burgers on lettuce leaves with hummus and tomato salad. If I am feeling adventurous I may go and buy a couple slices of an interesting cheese to melt on the burgers.

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Serious Cocktails: The Gin Boomlet

I love love Tanqueray and tonic of course with the ceremonial lime wedge. Though I just tried a Hendricks, soda and muddled cucumber cocktail and was very pleasantly surprised...
Actually, I have been trying to track down a bottle of Old Tom Gin. The research I've done has told me that this isn't brand but more of a type of gin. I think Plymouth is the label that makes it? Are there any others? Has anyone had any experience with this?

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Serious Green: 6 Rules of a Good Farmers' Market

Great article! Have a question though, what in your opinion is the best farmers' market in this area? I live in the Courthouse area in Arlington which boasts a really nice market and craft fair every Saturday, but I also frequent one at Falls Church town hall...both are great and open year round...however if I am missing out on a particularly fabulous market that is reachable by metro, it would be great to check out!

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Iphone App?

I'd like to be able to read anything off the front page, if possible, to view and comment in "Talk" and possibly a semi-decent recipe search?
With a Serious Eats app, the iPhone will prove to be officially worth it, haha.

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young ladies drinking 'sweet wines'--ha!

Franzia gives the WORST hangovers. You literally feel like you want to die.
But at $13 for 5 liters, flirting with death is so cheeeeaaap.

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Do You Have a Favorite Greek Yogurt?

Fage is pretty good as is Trader Joe's but I'm going to cop out and say that the greek yogurt I get from the farmer's market is the best! (Blue Ridge Farms I think is the vendor)

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having bad luck with brown rice

I find on an electric stove that throughout cooking if you just shake the pot (with the top on) to loosen anything that may be sticking to the bottom, and occasionally let the rice "breath" just cracking the top for 30 seconds or so, this gives a good result. Amen to hating electric stoves, though...I've definitely learned the hard way like you via multiple messed up batches of rice.

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Bovine Bliss Found at Ray's Hell Burger in Arlington, Virginia

I'm surprised it took AHT this long to review Ray's Hellburger!!! This place is absolutely fabulous and I hope they will be expanding into the old Ray's The Steaks (another sublime experience, if you get the chance) because people go crazy over this place (as you can tell by the 10 person line that almost always present). I'm so lucky to live right up the street from this place!

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chopt'd, toss'd, stress'd!!!

Guy & Gallard was my favorite place to go for a quick lunch in NYC...I like romaine and spinach mix, with corn, avocado, tomato, goat cheese, grilled chicken (or salmon, depending on where you go) with a champagne vinaigrette, or some kind of citrus vinaigrette.
Just went to Chop't for lunch today and it is definitely not as good as the NYC tell-them-and-they-mix-it-for-you salad places.

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Cook the Book: Easy Gluten-Free Baking

To be honest, pretty much anything sweet and baked. I have an unhealthy obsession with baked sweets that my thighs and butt are not too happy about...

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Tricks and tips to clean out romaine, etc.?

I fill a big bowl full of cold water and just soak the whole leaves in there for a little while (while I prepare other things). Any loose dirt on the leaves will sink to the bottom. Then I just take them out and rub with my hands under the running faucet to make sure all the dirt is gone. For spinach I would just do the first step, but agitate it a little in the bowl (the second step is unnecessary). I haven't had a sandy salad yet!

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Cook the Book: 'Mrs. Rowe's Little Book of Southern Pies'

The perfect strawberry rhubarb pie cannot be beat.
Worst baking disaster...luckily I haven't really had one yet!

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Help needed ASAP: Can I fix my whipped cream/ganache mess?

I know that I've had a problem with over-whipping ganache, except mine turned into this chunky nasty mess (that still tasted delicious, just wasn't that smooth, glossy texture I was looking for). I did the same thing, just heated it up and let it cool. I don't think it will get back to normal, but as recommended above, I'm sure it still tastes fabulous. If you can get it to spreadable consistency, put it on the cake anyway, then use a piping bag to cover any imperfections (unless it is a party full of foodies, I'm sure they won't know the difference.)

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Best of Trader Joe ?

CORNBREAD MIX. It is the best I have ever had, even better than some homemade recipes!

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Where to eat in D.C.?

Amen to Amsterdam Falafel!!! Cheap and soooooo gooooood.
Good lunch places include:
The Well Dressed Burrito (down home Mexican food) on 19th and Jefferson (it is in an alleyway)
Greek Deli, 19th between L and M streets
Ray's Hell Burger (@forksanddorks: best description I have ever heard of this place!) on Wilson Blvd in Arlington, VA

Dinner, the possibilities are so endless. It really depends how much you are willing to spend. I second looking at the Washington Post and also this website could be of help http://www.dcfoodies.com/. Have a great time when you come!

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Nathan's Hot Dog-Eating Contest Returns to Coney Island on July 4

Do you ever wonder if someone could just enter into the contest, and leisurely eat a few hot dogs for free? Do you have to pay to enter the contest?
I would totally just sit, casually munch on 3-5 hot dogs in the ten minutes and watch the others gorge themselves, haha.

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Cape May dining

I agree with everything that has been said, only I think that the Peter Shield's Inn is also a classy and beautiful dining experience (for dinner). The restaurant has a gorgeous beach view and they usually have a piano player (who takes requests!).
I've been going to Cape May every year for my entire life. For breakfast I've always been a fan of McGlade's on the boardwalk. Lunch I typically would eat at the house but I my affinity for Tommy's Hot Dogs and a frozen Coke gets the better of me sometimes. Unfortunately my favorite places for dinner have closed (The Anchorage, Peaches) but I've had nothing but great experiences at Fresco's, Union Park and The Lobster House. (Fresco's has THE BEST seared scallops in light saffron cream sauce in the entire world. no joke)
Have a fabulous time in CM, it is a wonderful vacation spot!

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Italian Lemon Chicken Recipe

this isn't exactly "italian" lemon chicken, but it is so dang good. This website gives a video tutorial of how to do it too (the only downfall is that you have to write down the recipe process from the video): http://foodwishes.blogspot.com/2009/03/black-lemon-chicken-salty-sour-bitter.html

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"Thank You" Meal Ideas Needed

I second the lasagna...nothing says "thank you" or "welcome home" like a nice pan and three lunches worth of well made lasagna.
Though I also love love corn chowder. My mom would put in chunks of ham steak to make it a bit more hearty. To be honest, soup and a chunk of bread would be a very filling dinner. And easy prep to boot!

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Dear Whole Foods,

To the WF on Clarendon Blvd in North Arlington, VA:
Put the signs on the actual produce. Stringing them above is worthless and it I often can't find what I need because of inadequate signage. Furthermore it makes it impossible to check the price because the sign for something got pushed all the way down to the end of the rod.
Oh and it couldn't hurt to lower your prices a little bit...even though you are the closest supermarket and have a monopoly...its just not nice.

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Wedding Lunch Menu Suggestions!

A tried and true for me has always been smoked salmon on toast points with whipped chive cream cheese or finely chopped red onions and a little dill.
Maybe a cocktail with the fresh juice and champagne would be a nice fresh touch (sans heaviness).

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chocolate easter bunnies

Save the bunny, go for the Cadbury Cream Eggs!

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Tipping on Alcohol

btw--certain restaurants include an 18-20% service charge on every check. Per Se, French Laundry, Charlie Trotters. Do you think they remove the charges for the wine? And have you seen their wine prices?

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Tipping on Alcohol

There are so many issues floating around on this discussion. The original question was how much to tip when alcohol is involved. The restaurant (including managers and owners--not just the wait staff) assumes that, at a minimum, 15-20% of the total bill will be left as tip. For example, let's say you book a party for 30 people, you pick a menu, you pick your wine (whether it's a $50 or $1000--it has been marked up anywhere from 250% to 1000%, give or take, depending on the cost at which that particular wine was purchased, how rare/desirable/allocated, or what is motivating the sommelier, e.g. protecting the vertical or holding it to allow for further maturation, trying to move it, etc. More on factors affecting restaurant wine prices later on or on another thread if need be), you and guests eat and drink, at the end of the night, the bill will reflect the total plus gratuity on the ENTIRE bill, not just for food. They do not assign one rate of gratuity to food and another rate to beverages.

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Tipping on Alcohol

Interesting concept but I think it's appropriate to tip on the total bill. If you had a problem with his lack of serving the wine, you can factor that into your total tip and decrease the percentage a bit.

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Tipping on Alcohol

Just a suggestion: everyone who ever considers dining out should work at least a week in the restaurant business. A server is actually a servant. You will know what it's like to have to sweat for your bread, to be blamed by everyone for problems that usually aren't your fault (and you can frequently do nothing about), and how astoundingly rude, careless, and selfish many people really are.

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Tipping on Alcohol

I really enjoyed reading this thread, especially after getting back from a night waiting tables at one of the South San Francisco Bay Area's busiest restaurants. I've bartended and waited tables for years, but I'm a cash-strapped grad student, so I can see both sides (although I would never hassle someone about a poor tip, much less follow a person out to their car).

Despite the fact that I work at a highly popular casual dining restaurant, and I actually give the sort of service that I would want, it's difficult for me to bring home more than 10% of my sales. 2% go to the expo, bartender, and busboys each, and here in the South Bay you get a lot of immigrants who don't know how (or care to) tip. I've worked in other cities and been frustrated at getting less than 20% for what I knew was a stellar job, but I've learned here that a few tables a night will leave me less than 10%--meaning I'm lucky to make any money on them, after tipout.

We don't sell any expensive wines, but I hate the whole premise of "rules" behind tipping. These rules are to prevent the rude guests and the ignorant from jacking us servers over, but the rude people and the ignorant will do that anyway. When I go out to eat or drink, the only rule I have is that the server/bartender gets a minimum of 20% if they were competent--that's 20% of the GROSS, folks. If I sit at the bar for a few hours, I'll probably leave a $10, even if I've only had a beer or two. How many other guests could have been served in your seat while you pay $2 for 'just pouring two beers?' If my server hooked me up with freebies, or went out of his way, I'll usually just round everything up to a nice, even number that will put a smile on the server's face and, often, a free drink or dessert, depending on the location and time of day. My mother once scolded me for this, but I explained to her that, aside from the fact that I would want a tip like that, and I like to give that for good service, establishments remember me, and guess who gets free drinks, good seating, priority service?

I'm not suggesting that everyone do as I do, but I will say what I say nearly every night: if you can't afford to leave the acceptable tip, or if you're too ignorant to have any clue what said tip should be, there's a Taco Bell across the street that would love your patronage a lot more than I would.

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Tipping on Alcohol

@lilpkstar - As you said, sales tax is a LAW. Tipping is (usually) voluntary. Also, dolts and idiots couldn't care less about a servers tax problems. If the government assumes you average 10%, perhaps that is the amount of tip that should be automatically added to the bill and we could all just forget about tipping any higher.

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Tipping on Alcohol

I'm a server.
If you order something, you take into account the tax, so why not the tip? Whether you order the $40 bottle or the $1000 bottle your going to be paying the $2 tax or the $50 tax. You can't argue with that, because its the LAW. Just because you're a dolt who orders an outrageously priced bottle means that you should tip accordingly.
At the place I work at I have to declare 10% of my sales. If my cash out says I've sold a $1000 I have to tell the government I made $100 of that sale, regardless of the idiots I serve.

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Tipping on Alcohol

Wow.. not to ruin the mystique a little, but a $50 bottle of wine and a $1000 bottle of wine are VERY different.

For one, the wine director of a restaurant that would sell bottles that expensive has to do the research to even have such a selection. They have to secure a good distributer to purchase bottles from, and trust that each bottle is up to quality. Even the chef can taste the caviar before plopping it onto your plate, but a bottle of wine is sealed.

Then there's the matter of storage, which would involve proper light and temperature control, (costing the restaurant money in electricty and knowledgeable designers). Accessability for the wait-staff.. a $50 bottle might be easy to grab behind the bar, but a $1000 bottle is under lock and key.. the waiter has to search out the manager to retrieve the key. Also, rarely does someone order that bottle without at least some description from the waitstaff or sommelier, who are trained to know the details and what it would taste great with.

I'm not saying the waiter in the original post didnt do his job by coming back to pour and keep the ice cold, but it's all bottles are NOT the same.

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Tipping on Alcohol

@sushiburger - I stand corrected! I did not know that the employer makes up the difference to ensure actual minimum wage is met.

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Tipping on Alcohol

Actually, according to the U.S. Department of Labor the following is the case:

"An employer may pay a tipped employee not less than $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equal at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee's tips combined with the employer's direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference."

For New York City (where I live), the minimum they must meet is $7.25 an hour. That means that even if the server does a horrible job and receives no tips, the restaurant must make up the difference so he/she will be entitled to a federal minimum wage no matter what. That means that the tip you give will contribute to that, but also increase his wage. Why would I want to increase a person's wage that does a horrible job? If the person is putting forth minimum wage type of work, that is what he/she deserves (not an extra pat on the back).

So while you may be right in that the tip is part of their pay, they will receive the minimum wage no matter what. If they want to make anything above that, they should obviously be good at what they do.

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Tipping on Alcohol

" Is it a little ridiculous to get paid $200 for opening a bottle of wine? Of course! But if the customer doesn't want to pay gratuity, they shouldn't have ordered the wine."

bullshit!

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Tipping on Alcohol

excuse me, "to not leave a tip..."

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Tipping on Alcohol

In the restaurant industry, the cost of the service is not "baked into the price of the product" as it is in other industries. The restaurant is only paying the server half of minimum wage because gratuity is considered a part of that server's pay. Like I said, it's not a gift. It's their pay. That's why I said it's a problem with the industry. To not live a tip would be like expecting to pay half for a DVD - to use your example.

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Tipping on Alcohol

I disagree. When you pay a tip (to anyone in the service industry) it's not something the person should assume to get. My paying for the food and drinks pays for the food and the service. You don't have the option of bringing the food to the table yourself. If it's mandatory to use the service, the cost of the mandatory service is always baked into the price of the product. This is true for everything. When you buy a DVD from Best Buy, you are paying not only for the product but the guy behind the counter and other operational costs that go into bringing the product to you. My point being that the tip you give on top of the purchased product / service (cab ride, server, hair dresser, food, etc...) is paid for how well the service was in delivering what you bought. If a server is rude and not attentive and horrible at his/her job... there's no way that person will receive a 15% tip.

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Tipping on Alcohol

@sushiburger - True, one does not tip waitstaff to enhance the life of their server. It's not a gift. Gratuity is payment for the full service, which is determined by a percentage of the full bill not just whatever part of the bill the customer decides they want to pay. Is it a little ridiculous to get paid $200 for opening a bottle of wine? Of course! But if the customer doesn't want to pay gratuity, they shouldn't have ordered the wine.

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Tipping on Alcohol

@yayfood: If the waiters rely on their tips, shouldn't they work that much harder to make sure they get a good tip? Don't you think that if they put no effort into their job then they should be paid accordingly? The same way as any job. If i don't perform at my job, they don't give me a raise or I get fired. It should be the same way for everyone... I'm not giving them a 15% - 20% tip or any tip to enhance their lives if they are unable to perform their job well.

I agree with presenttense. There's a problem with the industry and I also agree that its not the server's fault. However, I don't see how anyone can say that paying $200 to open a bottle of wine (if it were a $1,000 bottle) or even pour a bottle of wine is reasonable.

When I go to a bar, I definitely tip the bartender and I'm not against the idea of tipping on a bottle. But just as you generally set a $1 per drink standard at a bar (weather it's a $7 drink or $18 drink), a same method should be applied to wine or any expensive bottle of alcohol that you might purchase at a restaurant.

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Tipping on Alcohol

@presenttense, among others: the tip isn't (usually) going to the restaurant though; it is going to your server. Just because you feel cheated by the wine mark-up, you shouldn't take it out on your poor server.

Your tipping percentage is based on the server's efforts, but your tip is ultimately decided by your bill. It might not seem right, and it might not seem fair, but that is the way it is. It is not about the difficulty in uncorking the wine bottle, the pouring, the choosing. Your server doesn't prepare your food for you either, but your tip is still based on what you are ordering. You would end up tipping more if you got steak instead of chicken, so you tip more if you buy expensive wine than if you don't.

Yes, it is a problem that servers aren't paid realistic wages, but withholding a tip isn't doing anything to solve that problem.

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Tipping on Alcohol

THis is so very interesting to read!!!
@ yayfood: as a student of business in Hospitality Mangement, i agree with your contentions entirely! BUT, if I were ever chased and it was implied that ,'hey, lady...you need to fork over a hell of a lot more'..that would just be so very unprofessional and repellent.

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Tipping on Alcohol

wine is already prohibitively priced in restaurants in NY, with the majority marking it up by 400%. should someone choose to lash out on an expensive bottle why doesnt the restaurant owner slip the waiter some cash for upselling the customer to a more expensive bottle? the customer has already shelled out the 400% mark-up - adding an additional 20% is ludicrous. some of the best restaurants i have eaten at around the globe cap wine mark ups once you get over about $300 a bottle to a set $$ amount, i.e. instead of incurring the standard % mark-up they will only apply a set $$ amount. This encourages consumers to trade up on their wine purchase, and would you believe it but most people find that a great bottle of wine actually enhances the whole dining experience, promotes positive word of mouth and ultimately brings people back again and again.
Opening an old bottle is not that hard that it warrant's an exhorbitant tip - and if it has been stored correctly the cork should be in good condition and not require any additional effort than a younger bottle. How about screw-caps? they are starting to appear on expensive bottles now, that blows the argument of 'being hard to open'completely out of the water.
I agree with previous poster's who point the finger at the restaurant industry, changes need to be made, the hourly pay rate is a joke and on par with sweatshops.

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Tipping on Alcohol

Actually the more alcohol I drink the more I tip! So I've stopped ordering drinks when we go out for family dinners. What I spend in scotch at a bar for 2 drinks, will usually buy me a nice bottle for home.

I have expensive tastes for my whiskey, wine and martini desires. My alcohol component can run as much as $20 - 30 dollars - for drinks before dinner, throw in a bottle of wine and now I'm close to $70 / $80 dollars before any food comes to the table....Oy!

And yes I tip on alcohol. Good bartenders and wait staff need to compensated for their talents.

Now I enjoy a glass of water with a lime. I do reserve a few bucks for special meals out (anniversary, birthdays, big commission check etc. etc).

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Tipping on Alcohol

I have never been a waiter or a bartender, but from what I understand, it is industry standard that both positions are paid half of the state's required hourly minimum wage, which on average turns out to be about $3.62 per hour. This is a restaurant industry issue, for sure, and yes, the waiters and bartenders choose to apply for these positions, but that means a tip of at least 15% (the standard minimum) is a part of their pay in order to insure a living wage. In Europe, waitstaff and hospitality professionals are considered just that - professionals. And they are paid a living wage, unlike here in the US. Customers in Europe are also not expected to tip, the actual cost of paying the waitstaff is reflected in the bill.

That said, I knew someone who worked as a waiter at a five star restaurant in a major US city. His thought was that if you're going to wait tables, go for the high-end - the higher the professionalism, the higher the bill, the higher the pay. I've never been to Nello's, but I would think the level of training is substantial. In any other field, if you're at the top of your game, you get paid for it. Why should waiting tables be any different? Sure a customer could bring their own corkscrew, open the bottle and pour for themselves. They could also learn to change the oil in their own car, give themselves a facial, sell their own real estate, etc. but that's not the point. The customer chose to go out and pay to be served, rather than dine in and serve themselves.

If a person can afford to spend hundreds or thousands on an absurdly marked-up bottle of wine, they should be able to pay at least 15% gratuity.

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Tipping on Alcohol

@sushiburger--But that is just the point. People are content to tip less on an item that costs less, but not more on a more expensive item. I think @ericjpdx said it best
"But that doesn't make buying an expensive bottle and tipping the customary percentage wrong. Nor does it make tipping below the customary percentage right."

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Tipping on Alcohol

The whole idea of tips being calculated on the dollar amount of the bill is ridiculous. Time spent at the table, number of diners, how much "running" your table put the waitperson through, are much better guidelines. I do tip 20% when the service is satisfactory, but I resent the hell out of anyone telling me what the "rules" of tipping are.

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Tipping on Alcohol

@ericjpdx - The reason waiters should be careful when uncorking is so that they don't have to give you a new bottle. if they did that with even a $40 bottle, I would expect them to accommodate for that.. for $1,000 bottle, i would ask for a new bottle. That's for the restaurants benefit, not the customer.

@hungrychristel - I would say 15%-20%... If it was horrible service, I will literally leave a 1% tip. There is no way I'm paying a standard tipping rate for horrible service. There's a reason they call it a tip. It should be completely dependent on service, not a standard.

@PrettyNicola - Generally(not always, but most of the time) there is a reason why the salads are cheaper than a more complicated entree. The tip value will follow accordingly (maybe not the %)

I'm with grampart... there is no way a person deserves $200 for opening a bottle of wine... that's just absolutely ridiculous.

@FierceGreekChick - I don't think the argument is about being able to afford it... it's the principle behind it.

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