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From Talk

Is there a real difference between Soul Food & Southern Food

my white family is definitely southern but my mother (who actually became acquainted with Ms. Dupree later in her life) never tasted collards until she was an adult. Our family recipes include imp cake and baked alaska and persimmon pudding (weird that they're all desserts). My mother told me that growing up in the 40s & 50s, they never had cornbread or collards or fried chicken or any of the kinds of things that are generally associated with southern food today. (They did eat biscuits). Years ago I thought it was just a myth that southerners ate cornbread and collards and that sort of thing, then I thought maybe it was actually a race thing, then I got to know white southerners who ate cornbread and decided it was a class thing. Now I think it's just way more complicated than any of that but certainly has to do with the historical interactions of class and race in a predominantly rural south, and how these have evolved and interacted with food culture (eg with rural black women coming to work for increasingly urban white families with increasing exposure to national and international trends and standards in part through-- and I think this is really to the point-- country clubs and junior leagues and the networks of information and aspiration their cookbooks supported and represented). Sorry to wander off on a tangent.

From Talk

NYC Lower East Side recommendations, please!

what about Back Forty? They have large trestle tables for groups.

From Talk

Hezbollah Tofu

I guess I don't agree that it's ridiculous for people to demand accountability for the casual employment of stereotypes of various ethnic, national or political groups. I'm not humourless and I despise the empty posturing of the politically correct (not to mention their lack of style). But I'd love to know what the reaction would be to 'zionisttofu.blogspot.com' or a Bourdain quotation reading:

"Vegetarians, and their Zionist-like splinter
faction, the vegans, are a persistent irritant to any
chef worth a damn. To me, life without veal stock,
pork fat, sausage, organ meat, demi-glace, or even
stinky cheese is a life not worth living. Vegetarians
are the enemy of everything good and decent in the
human spirit, and an affront to all I stand for, the
pure enjoyment of food."

From Talk

Hezbollah Tofu

Sorry, in what respect exactly are Hezbollah supposed to be like vegans? Are they also supposed to be a 'splinter faction'? of what, again, exactly? This is sloppy at best, exploitative at worst. Yes we know Bourdain was in Beirut when Israel attacked in 2006. Too bad he didn't return with any better understanding of the food or the politics or of their relationship. He has a platform from which he might draw attention to the devastation Israeli cluster bombs have wreaked on the southern agrarian economy and efforts of ngos such as Land & People to promote local food traditions to help otherwise destituted people benefit from their few remaining resources. For example. And yes, like ccbweb I haven't actually gone to the site. Some sick (racist, sexist, fascist whatever) puns are just not worth investigating.

From Serious Eats: New York

New York Magazine's Best-Of-New-York Food List May Not Be The Best

I haven't read it all yet but I don't think I could endorse El Quinto Pino for best tapas, if that's what it says. Of course I'm mainly going by the uni bocadillo which may be great if you're looking for a sandwich but not if you're after uni. I have yet to find a dish that does uni better than it does by itself.

From Talk

San Francisco sushi restaurant?

weirdly enough, you can (or could) get very good traditional sushi at the small sushi bar at Anzu in the Nikko Hotel. I used to eat there occasionally when I would travel to SF from LA and that's saying a lot.

From Serious Eats: New York

Bruni Loves Le Cirque (Sort of)

Did you or anyone notice that when the review was first posted, it displayed 2 stars?

From Serious Eats: New York

New York Food Anywhere

This LES Jewish-Italian vision of NY authenticity is really too banal and um ethnocentric. Can somebody please write a musical and throw the carcass to the tourists? I've lived in NY on and off for many years and I can tell you that I've never suffered for want of fried wontons or chicken parmesan, not in New Haven and not in LA. I am thinking about a possible move even now, and it's Evans Farmhouse milk, Fishkill Farms eggs, local oysters at the GCOB, lebneh and freekeh from Kalustyan's, the odd reservation number at Sushi Yasuda and delivery from Moore Brothers that I worry about. These are among the products I associate with New York food (obviously with at least as broad and international a perspective as the op's).

I recognize that there are more takes on NY food than there are mouths and menus but this is egregious synecdoche.


From Required Eating

Seriously Delicious Holiday Giveaway: D'Artagnan Heritage Smoked Ham

cubano, but holiday ham belongs on beaten biscuits

From Required Eating

What Should Replace Roast Turkey as the National Thanksgiving Dish?

what's with the compulsion to observe a holiday by doing the same thing as everyone else, or at least, as you imagine everyone else doing? Forget a national thanksgiving dish. Holidays should give us all license to eat what we like best. Some people have strange palates but as far as I am concerned: turkey is nasty. (So, for that matter, are pies. And families).

Responses to Comments by dbird

From Talk

Is there a real difference between Soul Food & Southern Food

yes, fried chicken(La Jolla had fried chicken for lunch for about two months before we decided it was just too embarassing).

What could possibly be embarassing about fried chicken?

From Talk

Is there a real difference between Soul Food & Southern Food

yes and no.
"soul food" is a blanket term--to different people it means different things.
a lot of the time, it refers to a sort of "home cooked" style found in a lot of Southern USA regional dishes.
another way of saying it might be to say that a lot of southern food is comfort food, but they are not the same thing at all.
It's also interesting to note that a wide variety of "Southern" food styles exist outside of the cliche "fried chicken and greens" type dishes a lot of people associate with the South. I've had the honor to work at both La Jolla and Garrett's, two Montgomery, Ala. restaurants specializing in "new" southern food--gourmet interpretations of all kinds of stuff, from fish to pasta to...yes, fried chicken(La Jolla had fried chicken for lunch for about two months before we decided it was just too embarassing).

From Talk

Is there a real difference between Soul Food & Southern Food

Wookie -Thanks for the info. I lived in Alexandria area for years. Worked in hospitals in Hampton, Chesapeake and Va Beach areas. I asked your whereabouts because I like your comments on these talks. Enjoy the food up Nawth. yaya

From Talk

Is there a real difference between Soul Food & Southern Food

@1stmakearoux, the only place I can think of is Cafe Habana, which is the only Cuban restaurant close to the river...their tres leches is awesome as well.

From Talk

Is there a real difference between Soul Food & Southern Food

What is this chicken and waffles I keep hearing about. I'm intrigued.

It was interesting reading everyones remarks on this question-as I have wondered this myself.

From Talk

Is there a real difference between Soul Food & Southern Food

@bitter I was in Philly last summer and went to a fabulous Cuban restaurant down by the river. Of course I can't recall the name, but it was truly like walking into a restaurant in Havana! Beautiful decor, great Cuban food (I had ropa vieja), reasonable prices, and attentive servers and manager.

My gf makes great picadillo when I can talk her into it!

From Talk

Is there a real difference between Soul Food & Southern Food

Best chicken and waffles - EVER - Roscoe's House of Chicken and Waffles, Hollywood CA - and I know where of I speak because I've had Sylvia's too!!

From Talk

Is there a real difference between Soul Food & Southern Food

I also happen to be part Cuban too, 1stmakearoux and make a mean picadillo!!!

Right now, I'm craving some shrimp and grits. My bad back has me out from work today, but I can stand at the stove for a l'il bit. I've got some shrimp and andouille (sp?) in the fridge. So tempting.

One thing I miss is fatback. My maternal grands were from Saluda, South Carolina and they used to fry fatback on the weekends. My mom was their only girl, and they were devoted to her. We were their favorites. As soon as Mom parked the car, I'd run up the steps, into the house, kiss them, and then run into the kitchen to eat a piece of crispy, salty fatback. Fatback went into EVERYTHING -- oil for frying chicken, greens - even ice cream. LOL, just kidding.

Right now I reside in Center City Philly - pretty much lily-white, which I hardly have a problem with, except I always have to catch the bus and go to North Philly or West Philly to get the things I miss. I don't have a car, which makes getting the food I crave something of a challenge.

From Talk

Is there a real difference between Soul Food & Southern Food

I wasn't born in the South, but I got here as quick as I could. Personally, I think that Southern and Soul are virtually indistinguishable. I absolutely love them both! And you can throw Cajun, Creole, and Cuban into that mix. Now I'm REALLY hungry!

From Talk

Is there a real difference between Soul Food & Southern Food

It's a bit like Cajun and Creole. Both are very similar but they are, indeed, different. Soul food is more likely to involve pork in the cooking process - be it through the use of bacon, ham hocks, or chitterlings.

Southern food is light as air biscuits, grillades and grits, squash blossoms, bread pudding, catfish with pecan butter, Hummingbird cake, ambrosia, fresh veggies straight from the garden (Francis I - the sterling pattern- even makes a tomato server), freshly made lemonade and ice tea, juleps, chess pie... those are all southern foods. Just my humble, Mississippi and Alabama raised opinion. :-)