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Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

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The opposite of a locavore would be a televore :P

I knew that Greek/Latin vocab class would come in handy.

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Any Bring-From-Home Snack Ideas?

Marcona almonds and a glass of port.

Great in the morning so you can get a head start on drinking before lunch. Great in the afternoon so you can pull through the last hours of work.

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Gran's South African pancakes with Karo corn syrup. I'm not really sure if the recipe is much different from your standard, home-made cakes, but it's all the technique.

They get cooked 'conventionally' in a medium-heat pan, and finished in a searing hot one for a few seconds. It gives them a nice crust without any charring.

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From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

@redfish

The opposite of a locavore would be a televore :P

I knew that Greek/Latin vocab class would come in handy.

From Serious Eats

Any Bring-From-Home Snack Ideas?

Marcona almonds and a glass of port.

Great in the morning so you can get a head start on drinking before lunch. Great in the afternoon so you can pull through the last hours of work.

From Serious Eats

Threadless T-Shirt Giveaway: Pancake Mountain

Gran's South African pancakes with Karo corn syrup. I'm not really sure if the recipe is much different from your standard, home-made cakes, but it's all the technique.

They get cooked 'conventionally' in a medium-heat pan, and finished in a searing hot one for a few seconds. It gives them a nice crust without any charring.

From A Hamburger Today

Best Burgers from Seattle Metropolitan

No Lunchbox Laboratory? Fail!

But Jak's is great, too! The beef is probably the best I've had in a burger, anywhere, and they aren't afraid to serve it rare unlike some other spots on the list. They're packed most of the time, and they don't take reservations, but it's worth the often hour-long wait for a seat.

Voila!'s Kobe burger with brie is also pretty good, as are the frites that accompany it, but with cassoulet, salmon, and boeuf buorguignon on the menu, it's not the main attraction.

From A Hamburger Today

'Food Network Magazine' Lists the Best Burgers in the Country

I can at least verify Washington State's Lunchbox Lab. I've tried all of the hyped burgers around the Seattle area (I think it was Oprah who praised Red Mill on Phinney Ridge), but none brought me to my knees like Lunchbox Lab. I don't think I've ever had a stronger case of the itis in my life.

Eating there is like a one night stand. Afterwards, you feel fat and immoral and a failure and ask, "Why did I do that?! How could I betray my healthy eating habits?!" But man, it's a total taste orgasm when you're plowing through an Ebony Assassin burger with a side of sweet potato fries and a Nutella milkshake served in a beaker, and you KNOW deep down you wanted it, you hedonist.

From Talk

Chick-fil-A

"By standing alone, they are making a subtle statement--a subtle protest, if you will, against something they perceive as wrong."

First, what is the thing they perceive as ‘wrong’? Provide a link or fill us in and I’ll happily educate myself, because so far I’m under the assumption that their mission is to serve fresh and more wholesome ‘fast-food’ than other companies, not go on a crusade and convert the masses.

As owners of the company, they aren't "making a statement" as much as they are simply practicing and honoring their religious beliefs.

'The company's official statement of corporate purpose says that the business exists "to glorify God by being a faithful steward of all that is entrusted to us and to have a positive influence on all who come in contact with Chick-fil-A." The chain invests heavily in community services (especially for children and teenagers) and scholarships.'

Read: the intent is to serve their God by serving you good food, not share the Gospel with their patrons. Are you really trying to spin this as being preachy and trying to guilt people to attend a service, or even convert them? Christians often get a bad rep but constitute some of the most community-oriented volunteer groups. When you go to a Christian-run homeless shelter or food bank, it is distinctly all-are-welcome and no one is trying to impose beliefs. They honestly want to have a positive impact, and that’s merely a manifestation of their faith. What’s wrong with being honest and saying, “Yes, as owners, we are Christian and we instill in our business the same values that we hold for ourselves”? Should they be ashamed of that and keep it quiet? I sure don’t think so. Large chains and corporations that have a set of values they really measure themselves against are few and far between. In this case, it just happens to be values drawn from religion – not necessarily beliefs – but values.

The stated purpose includes religious connotations, because, surprise, it was founded on those values. They apply the closed-on-Sundays rule to all of their restaurants because they own them, they have a vision for them, and they’re being consistent.

"What I object to is a restaurant attempting to send a message--whether it's religious, political or whatever--a message that has nothing to do with its business of selling food."

Oh, but it's everything to do with their business of selling food, because their business was founded on it. As an extension of their faith, they believe in extending a day off to all employees just as they would have that day off themselves. They serve God by serving fresh and honest food to their patrons and being stewards in their communities. But they aren’t saying – “Go to church you heathens!” or “Everyone should believe in God!” They’re merely providing an explanation. If you take offense at that, I would say you’re looking to pick and fight, but it’s your opinion and you’re free to have it.

“Not all of their employees are churchgoers who are as thrilled as Chik-Fil-A's founder that they have Sunday off.”

And, just as you have a choice not to buy food from them, employees can find work elsewhere if they so choose. Nobody is forcing you or them.

From Talk

What's So Weird About That?

Speaking of imbibing condiments...

In elementary school I remember always drinking the pickle juice from an empty pickle jar (sometimes I'd get impatient waiting for the pickles to be eaten and I'd just plop a straw in...if only I understood food safety), taking a swig of any balsamic or Italian dressing in the fridge, and eating ketchup straight up out of the bottle. I'm sure any household epidemics could have been traced back to me.

From Talk

Be Serious: Isn't "Upscale" Food Just a Load of Bulls$%t?

As always, "it depends".

One of the best meals in my life came from a tacos al pastor vendor in Mexico City, and it cost less than two dollars. Simple food, not a particularly large portion ('real' tacos are rather small), but it brought me to my knees. The pork, the corn tortillas, the pineapple! Ahhhh!

Another of my best meals came from an upscale bistro in Pike Place Market. The fried avocado cocktail dressed up in a martini glass was brilliant, and I have never had such a succulent and juicy salmon fillet in my life. Lightly crusted with spices from being pan-fried, it melted like butter. Yes, it was on a plate with the fancy sauce drizzlings - but each sauce was distinct and flavorful, and it allowed me to experience each on its own, all together, etc. It was certainly an experience. The amount of food in the meal was small - the avocado, about 5 ounces of salmon, and a little risotto - but I felt satisfied. I felt no quibbles paying $45 for the meal.

I think the lesson is that you can find absolutely superb food at any price anywhere in the world. What makes it good is the passion and love that the cooks put into it. I find portion sizes largely irrelevant, because if the flavors are bold, you don't need a lot to be satisfied. I've also found that my most memorable meals have been made of a simple array of ingredients. I think that bringing out a few strong flavors pure and unadulterated is a real test of the chef, and is simply more enjoyable. Dressing up a dish is just an extension of creativity and that passion, but it can also be soulless, an afterthought, and overdone.

Sure, after 'making a name for themselves', some upscale restaurants may rest on their laurels. Some might also skimp on the quality of their ingredients while still keeping prices high. People eventually figure out that they're getting ripped off, and they'll gravitate towards people who love their customers and love what they cook. It's why that vendor was still there six years after my first trip to Mexico, and why the bistro near Pike Place is still busy despite the state of the economy.

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Serious Eats Nominated for 2008 Weblog Award in Food

I can't help but feel something is wrong here; I mean, okay, Cake Wrecks IS pretty damn funny and a great way to kill time while looking at some terrible cake design.

But...Serious Eats produces a large volume of top-notch posts and covers a vast array of food topics.

WTF?!

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Foodies Pitch Nominees to Barack Obama for Secretary of Agriculture

According to Fred Kirschenmann's website:

"He is president of Kirschenmann Family Farms, a 3,500-acre certified organic farm in Windsor, North Dakota, where he also was president (1990-1999) of Farm Verified Organic, a private organic certification agency.

He is a leader of the organic/sustainable agriculture movement, and has served on many boards and advisory committees of such organizations. He has completed a five-year term on the U.S. Department of Agriculture's National Organic Standards Board, and has chaired the administrative council for the USDA's North Central Region's Sustainable Agriculture Research and Education (SARE) program......

...Kirschenmann is a third-generation farmer...."

And an excerpt from an essay of his:

"If we redesign agriculture to make us more aware of the "most basic details of our own food production," then agriculture might help us become more aware of our dependence on local ecosystems and thereby motivate us to restore and maintain them…. [and] evolve a new production ethic that would combine the need to produce with the need to sustain the means of production. Such an ethic would likely modify the goals of agriculture and end our tendency to reduce agriculture to a production system driven solely by economic forces."

Seems like someone whose been farming quite a while and respects the land he uses. As far as politic experience, it sounds like his has largely been driven by his passion for organic and sustainable agriculture. I doubt he would be your classic B.S. politician.

From Serious Eats

How Proposition 2 Will Affect California's Chicken Cages

"The birds, when left wild and outside, could also run into infections like bird flu and salmonella, argues Californians for Safe Food."

Yes, so let's instead cram them into damp and hot cages with each other so they have no room for movement, are surrounded by excrement, and breathe ammonia vapors.

/boggle

From Talk

A Buzzkill Halloween

I enjoyed spending the afternoon and evening with my good friend, Mister Streptococcus. I suppose with such a hoarse voice, bloodshot eyes, and a pale face, I could have been frightening enough without a costume to handout candy and attend a local party...but I thought I'd save my friends and neighbors from an epidemic.

I made the best of it, though, and whipped up my grandmother's classic macaroni and cheese. Plopped myself in bed with Ibuprofen, Vick's, and Bravo's Top 100 Scariest Movie Moments, and I was set.

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In Videos: Package of Bacon Forces Evacuation of Boehner's Office

I know it's pronounced "Bey-ner", but I still feel uncomfortable reading the title.

From Serious Eats

Cook the Book: 'Eat Me: The Food and Philosophy of Kenny Shopsin'

During my sophomore year of high school, my punk band and I decided to call it quits for the day and scrounged around our drummer's pantry looking for something to eat. Our efforts to make a dish turned into a "let's-see-how-ridiculous-this-can-get" affair.

It consisted of an oatmeal/bread base set in a bread pan (Quaker oats, whole grain flour, some baking soda, water, salt, little bit of butter), some brown sugar, pineapple chunks, bacon bits, and Canadian bacon - all topped with a nice glaze of maple syrup.

We dubbed it "Oatmeat" (in fact, I think we made a few shirts on Cafe Press to remember the momentous occasion). It didn't really rise (duh...no yeast, not enough baking soda), but it was actually pretty good. You just couldn't eat more than a few bites because it was so freakishly rich.

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The 'Mate Latte' Rhyme, Fated or a Coffee Shop Travesty?

Guayaki is my favorite brand - they've got plain Yerba Mate as well as a Mate/Rooibos blend (both are delicious). Not only that, but it's fair trade and they work with local villages to sustainably farm the leaves and give back to those communities.

http://www.guayaki.com/

From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

Indygal: My husband and I did do the Food Stamp Challenge trying to eat only organic and buying majority of our groceries at local Farmer's Markets just to see if we could. We found that while it was hard, it wasn't impossible. We managed (but did go a little hungry sometimes and ate less food than normal...and lost weight). I would drag around a notebook and try and compare prices and noticed that Farmer's Markets were higher but we just bought less food and wasted almost nothing unlike pre- and (sadly) post-challenge. Farmers were also very supportive and would throw in extra produce (something that NEVER happens at Vons).

I think the goal is, do what you can and what feels comfortable for you. We try but we're not militant. And yes, it would be harder if we had children or the luxury of a car, etc.

From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

Even the most expensive local tomato is still way, way, way cheaper than most crappy food eaten out. I buy local. I like to cook. I prefer my food dollars to go to good food, and if one shops sensibly it is not that expensive.

Example:
- cheap chain grocery green beans: $1.50/lb
- frou-frou Ferry Plaza Farmer's Market green beans - could be $3/lb to $4/lb
- Civic Center Farmer's Market - catering to a different demographic: $1/lb.

From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

One reason why locally farmed food is more expensive because it isn't subsidized by the government. Also, how much more expensive is it really?
http://www.oregonlive.com/foodday/index.ssf/2009/07/which_price_is_right.html

Another reason why, for example, out of season gassed to ripeness florida tomatoes are cheaper is because the tomato pickers are paid slave wages. In fact, some of them are actually slaves.
http://www.ciw-online.org/

People seem to also forget that local, smaller farmers are HUMAN BEINGS, that work INCREDIBLY hard. A lot of them are barely making minimum wage even charging what some people deem "ridiculously high prices". It's a lot easier to grow things with tons of chemical fertilizer and pesticides. Farming is not even a recognized profession by the U.S. census.

Seasonal food tastes better than out of season food being sold in conventional supermarkets in January(i.e. tomatoes, strawberries). I realize that this is an opinion, not fact, but I'm more than willing to run a blind taste test. Conventional food is also higher in nutritional value than industrialized ag. When people say that in season, local food is only for the rich, one thing I think is "so you're telling me lower income people only deserve flavorless, nutritionless, pesticide laden food? And that isn't elitist?"

I'd also like to point out that cheap food prices are based on fossil fuel. With peak oil, the U.S. is likely going to go through a major food crisis. We could do well to learn from Cuba and try to prevent that by recognizing these local farmers and attempting to give them the status and pay they deserve.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special_Period

Lastly, there is a lot of flawed reasoning in McWilliam's new book. The reviews on amazon are a good place to read them.


From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

I find it to be more expensive to shop at my local farmer's market than to buy food at the most expensive grocery in my area -- and that's just the basics, not heirloom vegetables, artisanal breads and cheeses.

I tried to follow the Food Stamp Challenge a year or so ago. It was difficult at the grocery; impossible at the farmer's market.

From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

It's definitely for people that are better off, financially. The price difference,availability and education of the consumer on the topic being the main reasons. I love a nice delicious locally grown tomato, etc but I cannot justify the price difference to a working single mother of 3 or 4 struggling with a shoestring budget. Can you? If you can, you are being sanctimonious and are just as oblivious as Alice Waters,et al. to any real struggle happening everyday. Also, the inner city population is not going to listen to some hippie locavore talking about 15 dollar grapes. Sorry not gonna happen.

From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

"Off the cuff: you could consider part of the cost of local vegetables (particularly heirloom) to be the seeds that you'll get that are proven to work in your local ecosystem. So, if you've got the time to invest, the higher cost will amortize over the successive generations of food that you can raise from the first purchase."

Nice theory. I buy into it every spring. This year was the worst ever. I got two heirloom tomato plants for $1.00 each at my local farmers market. And dirt. And pots. And some seedlings- squash, parsley, jalapenos, cucumbers. I ended up with 3/4 of a tomato (1/4 was buggy or rotted). Granted, it was the sweetest, most delicious tomato I ever tasted, but criminy. 4 months of careful tending, and i ended up with almost nothing.

I'll surely be romanced again next spring. I'm an incurable optimist when it comes to this sort of thing.

From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

All I know is, here in Chicago, a pound of string beans at my local produce market (and by local I mean in my neighborhood, not a source of local produce), string beans are $1.49/pound. At the farmers market, where the produce IS local, string beans are $6/pound. That is a huge, huge difference.

From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

@foodinmouth - can you please write a coherent comment? Trying to parse some meaning out of your rant is painful. You seem to think that the Union Sq market is much more important than it really is. Sure, they should take EBT and food stamps. What I think is even more important is that the markets in the poorer neighborhood take them. And they largely do. You are making a lot of angry assumptions, about the people who shop there, about the farmers who sell there, and about the organizers. You are asking a lot of rhetorical questions, I bet you've never bothered to get involved yourself.

From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

I'm rather tired of people whipping out the argument that we can't feed X amount of people if we all shopped locally and sustainably. That's as illogical as cramming food left on your plate down your throat so that children in Africa don't starve. No one's asking you to give up feedin' the world by supporting your local farmer. But all the costs of 'cheap' supermarket food are subsidized by the govt, i.e. our tax dollars anyhow, so pushing those costs out of the way and hiding them does not in fact make them go away. I've been one of the poor described in the article, for several years. I STILL went out of my way to purchase some of my food from local farmers, most of whom deliver if you order over 50 bux of meat. I still bought organic milk at the store, and when I couldn't afford something I went without. I totally understand that some people cannot. ever. afford to choose pricy local stores, but most farms DELIVER. Whether it's through a CSA, a bulk order split between several friends, or even a private arrangement, you can indeed get at least half of your food from local sources. It will indeed be cheaper, probably healthier, and you'll be supporting your local economy, your own neighbors. We have several community gardens that grow food for the food bank, just for those reasons and people love it. There is a large continuum of shopping locally, but snide comments calling it a fad or worse is just as annoying.

From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

@simon,
I've seen that site and also know the time that I've check that site (the last two years), the Union Square farmers market has not shown up there.

It's the biggest one. It's the one that would stand to create either

a. the most confusion w/ new ebt equipment or system
b. the one most likely to have farmers who might be irked at having to implement it.

I've heard certain markets use a station for ebt users to go and swap for tokens, and then use tokens at the stands. So yea, I know what's going on with 'em. The point is that if they want to make a statement, they should do a better job. I mean, how long does it take to implement the system at Union Square? Are any of the farmers pushing for it? Are any of the customers? Seriously, if you people want to say that farmers market cares about being a social movement, then you're really talking about everyone at the farmers market *wanting* a social movement. I don't see that at all. The worst part is that people who go to farmers markets don't even realize they're not part of any social movement. Who exactly is progressing the EBT system for farmers markets? Is it the people who go there? Is there such a clamor? Is it the farmers? Are they saying, "Damn, look at the demo that visit my stand!" Get the **** outta here man.

From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

NYC Greenmarkets currently accepting EBT transactions.

Progress in use of Food Stamps at NYC Greenmarkets. (PDF)

This is a real issue and it is being addressed. The primary mission of the Greenmarket movement has always been a social one.

From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

Ed,
When are we going to get food stamps or EBT cards in the biggest farmers market in New York City? Or is that one just for the well-to-do? Union Square has got some catching up to do.

From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

While I enjoy local food, especially when I can find sources that taste better than what's available from afar, there is a romantic quality to this whole "movement" that is a bit precious. I think it unlikely that we could feed 20 million people in the New York metropolitan area for 12 months of the year on locally grown food and, even within quantity limits, confining themselves to food seasonally available is unattractive to most people. Beyond that, it is not clear that fruits and vegetables carried in small quantities in trucks or cars (when picked up at a farmer's market or farm) have a smaller environmental "footprint" than large quantities of food packed in containers and distributed in full trucks to supermarkets.

The availability of decent and decently priced food in low-income neighborhoods is a completely different problem better attacked by finding ways to attract larger stores (even supermarkets!) selling mass-produced food at manageable prices.

Having said all that, those of us who can afford it should encourage artisanal food for the same reasons we prefer and should encourage artisanal production of wines, cheeses, jewelry and clothes. The individuality provides variety and makes an important statement about individuality in a mass-production world -- but only for those who can afford it and without the expectation that we are going to return to eighteenth century production methods and levels of consumption.

From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

The food I get from my CSA is local, fresh from the field, in season, is either low spray or fully organic, uses fairly paid and treated workers, AND is MUCH MUCH cheaper than what I could find at the store. I don't need transportation to go get it, I pick it up ten blocks from my apartment and carry it home in canvas bags and a backpack.

This is a myth being perpetuated by Machiavellian partisans. Of course, you can go buy your produce at a fancy gourmet store or upscale market and get ripped off, but that is not at all representative of reality.

From Serious Eats: New York

Is Locavorism For Rich Folks Only?

I would suggest that, at the very least, local food is inaccessible to those that don't have the transportation or the knowledge of these places.

We used to split a CSA farm share with my in-laws. This stopped when we decided that we weren't getting all that we wanted from it for the cost that we were paying; there were also conflicting issues between pick-up times and my access to a car. The major point of contention was that a significant amount of fruit and vegetables were things that we really had no desire to eat; we could've become creative with those vegetables, but with our hectic schedule, neither of us really had the energy on the weekdays to whip up something new (yet possibly unappetising).

Now we visit a farmer's market on the weekends, where we can pick and choose from the local seasonal produce. Unfortunately, it's the only time that we can shop, because our local farmer's market is about ten minutes via driving in our suburb. If it weren't for my proximity to the Reading Terminal Market and the Tuesday local produce stall in my train station, I wouldn't be able to pick up local food via public transpo.

However, I really disagree with Mr. McWilliams' comment on "Localization, by contrast, specifies what is and is not acceptable within an arbitrary boundary. In this sense, it delimits diversity." One of the vendors at a nearby farmer's market is a Chinese couple who sells Chinese-specific vegetables, which began as a result of the lack of said vegetables in the area. I would argue that this is a direct contrast to McWilliams's comment, in that this example promotes diversity in a traditionally "white bread" area.

From Serious Eats

Any Bring-From-Home Snack Ideas?

Pretzels with hummus or salsa. Also make trail mix with your favorites like dried fruit, nuts, seeds, chocolate chips etc.Another good thing is keeping a selection of tea and other instant drinks on hand which can sometimes be just as satisfying as a snack.

From Serious Eats

Any Bring-From-Home Snack Ideas?

if you have a freezer, frozen green grapes...deeeeeelicious and refreshing.
Green tea and edamame chips. All green snacks. :)

From Serious Eats

Any Bring-From-Home Snack Ideas?

I completely understand why popcorn popping could be banned at a workplace. The number of people who are unable to pop a bag of microwaveable popcorn without burning it is just astounding.

I like plums or cereal or string cheese or chocolate.

From Serious Eats

Any Bring-From-Home Snack Ideas?

I know popcorn has already been brought up, but here's my twist: I make it at home ahead of time on the stovetop. The benefits of this are great: first, popcorn kernels are super cheap. Second, you can control the health factor, making it with olive oil, etc. Third, you can dress it up or leave it plain. I pre-salt the oil before adding the kernels, then once the corn is popped, I add a little butter and some nutritional yeast. You can do cheese powder, or a selection of herbs. You could even go sweet with some kettle corn recipes. After it's cooled completely, I transfer it to a ziplock bag, which usually lasts several days at the office.

From Serious Eats

Any Bring-From-Home Snack Ideas?

A small piece of fruit! Because usually I am craving sweets for a snack.

From Serious Eats

Any Bring-From-Home Snack Ideas?


Cut up fruit. Fruit gummies. Olives. Whatever I can get my hands on that's healthy because as people in the office know, my mouth is like a constant slow humming hoover vac.

(port as a snack! LOL!)

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Threadless T-Shirt Giveaway: Pancake Mountain

Thanks to all who entered, and congrats to winner caramel! You have been sent an email on how to claim your shirt.

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Threadless T-Shirt Giveaway: Pancake Mountain

Just regular pancakes with syrup and butter.

I've only recently started liking putting butter on pancakes and waffles.

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