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Why Isn't Chinese Food Hip?

"American's adventurous eaters?"

That's an elitist attitude. People said the same thing when sushi started making its presence in the 80s and now look at that. I've lived in many countries in my life and Americans by far have the most diverse set of restaurants to choose from.

The downscale aspect of Chinese restaurants is due to the restaurants not the ingrained beliefs of the eaters. If a transplant from China could get funding and open a high end Chinese restaurant in the Time Warner building and actually made some high quality food it would do unbelievably well. I personally have given up on Chinese food in this city (along with Mexican).

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Why Isn't Chinese Food Hip?

There are a number of problems:

Quality. Unless someone starts making Chinese food of the same quality as one gets at high end restaurants in China then it will be the Wal-Mart of foods.

Authentic. Until most Chinese restaurant owners realize that Americans actually are quite adventurous in their eating, you will get the boring bland food served from the American version of the restaurant's menu.

Marketing. Quite frankly Chinese restaurant owners need to understand the meal is more than the food. Contrast this to, say, Japanese restaurants. Many Chinese owners start sushi places because they feel they can charge up and get higher margins because they will be selling an already marketed product (sushi).

When I go into a Japanese restaurant I generally assume it will be high quality, have some wacky menu items, and will be reasonably authentic. With a Chinese restaurant I assume low quality, generic menu items, and stuff no one in China actually eats.

From A Hamburger Today

Blue 9 Burger

Last time I went (3 weeks ago) the bun was dry as a desert. It just killed the entire burger. And there was something about the place that just looked unsanitary. I can't say I'm in a rush to go back.

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Ibérico Ham: Crazy Good But Worth the Price?

I'll go on record and say I didn't think it was anything special. It was good but it wasn't particularly nutty or 'porky'. $20 for 1/4 pound was overpriced. I'd pay maybe $10.

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Making Toad in the Hole With Myers of Keswick Sausage

I love Myers. I'd be there every weekend if I could.

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New Tasti D Logo Isn't Fooling Anyone

Have you actually tried it or are you just postulating? I don't come to this site for food snobbery. I come for objective opinions.

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News Spread: Bulgogi Hot Dogs; Matsugen; 8 Cent Ice Cream

oh boy does that look nasty.

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Korean Tofu Stew Shines at Organic Tofu House in New Jersey

I love tofu but soon dubu is truly a lame dish. Try the spicy tofu special at Ippudo to see how this dish should have been made all along.

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Pizza on the Eater Blog

i loved the pizza pebbles. my wife not so much.

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Is 'Authentic' Ethnic Food By Definition Better? Does Authentic Trump Delicious?

I agree. I think the focus on something being authentic misses the point. It drives me crazy, for example, when people say Tex Mex is not real Mexican food. We know! That's why it's called Tex Mex. I'm all for culturally authentic experiences. But if something tastes good, it tastes good. Who cares what it is called.

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Why Isn't Chinese Food Hip?

The only thing I'd add to this is that the Chinese themselves are not percieved as hip, at least not in the "aspirational lifestyle" variety. Americans want to pretend, at least for an evening, that they are bistro-going Parisians or Romans at their local trattoria, as these cultures have romantic associations. As China becomes more promenant culturally and economically I think this might change; Americans will see the Chinese lifestyle as aspirational and will become more interested in authentic Chinese cuisine.

I agree with chevans, above, about restaurant decor as a factor in Chinese cuisine's lack of hipness. Many of the good, authentic restaurants in NYC's Chinatown have all the charm of a high school cafeteria. I like eating at these restaurants, but if I want nice ambiance I'll look elsewhere.

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Why Isn't Chinese Food Hip?

I had to laugh at oneday's comments about American diners dealing with fish heads or suckling pig heads, funny but true, at least we can enjoy watching Anthony Bourdain and Andrew Zimmern eating such things, and not have to worry about confronting them when we hit the buffets LOL.

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Why Isn't Chinese Food Hip?

chaevans: Americans may have the most diverse set of restaurants to choose from, but how much of what is offered is actually un-Americanized fare from the original cuisine? You may have restaurants representing 500 different cuisines from around the world in one place. But if they all use ketchup and cheese to make their offerings approachable to the American palate, then how much diversity is there truly? As an example, how many Chinese restaurants have you gone to in America that serve whole, steamed fish? The Chinese revere fresh fish, simply steamed as one of the greatest expressions of culinary finesse. But the average American diner would run out the door if he had to deal with a fish head gaping at him. Ditto a suckling pig head.

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Why Isn't Chinese Food Hip?

Because wealthy white people, for the most part, love bashing all things China and love praising all things Japanese.

How many people do you think would know that China and the US were both allies in WW2? Allied against - yup, JAPAN.

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Why Isn't Chinese Food Hip?

"American's adventurous eaters?"

That's an elitist attitude. People said the same thing when sushi started making its presence in the 80s and now look at that. I've lived in many countries in my life and Americans by far have the most diverse set of restaurants to choose from.

The downscale aspect of Chinese restaurants is due to the restaurants not the ingrained beliefs of the eaters. If a transplant from China could get funding and open a high end Chinese restaurant in the Time Warner building and actually made some high quality food it would do unbelievably well. I personally have given up on Chinese food in this city (along with Mexican).

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Why Isn't Chinese Food Hip?

I have to agree with Cathy (Comment #2) and this is because of very direct knowledge of the different menus in Chinese restaurants. My father married a wonderful woman from China almost twelve years ago and her family owns several well known Chinese restaurants in various suburbs around Chicago. When I visit them, I always sit at the "family table" (the big round table in most mid-grade Chinese restaurants that seems to always be reserved) and eat what is prepared for the cooks and family. It is outstanding, authentic and definitely NOT on the American menu with the meal typically consisting of whole fish that is roasted or fried in a wok, incredible vegetables, dumplings, and broths along with all the seasoning sauces made from scratch from peppers you would never see on the American menu.

When I tell my dad's wife's family that if they would serve what they serve at the family table and they could not only charge more for it but would make their restaurants stand out in the sea of take out places around Chicago, they tell me that American's would never like it so why bother.

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Why Isn't Chinese Food Hip?

Forgot to mention earlier: I've seen those original Iron Chef episodes, and I'm not so sure I want the real deal! Lots of animal parts I'm definitely NOT used to seeing on a plate. Or ever.

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Why Isn't Chinese Food Hip?

I think part of it is due to portion sizes and America's preconceived ideas of what chinese food is. Chinese restaurants typically are family style and people go in expecting, fried rice, bbq pork, Genral Tso's chicken (invented in America!) and stir fries. I think if chinese restaurants branched out into high end tasting menus and use more "chinese" ingredients like dried and fermented products as well as branch into some molecular gastronomy or modern techniques, Chinese cuisine will become elevated to hip. Recently italian cuisine has had a resurgence due to the additions of modern innovations.

Restaurant marketing also plays into it. Thai restaurants have been great at reinventing Thai cuisine into a hip atmosphere (lots of ikea/futuristic style looking restaurants).

But most of all it's education. Right now there aren't any real innovative American Chinese Chef Stars other than Ming Tsai. And and he's not really that innovative! Michelin stars people. There needs to be world calibre chinese restaurants. Also, most people don't know that the chinese food they get in the US is different from the different regional cuisines in China.

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Why Isn't Chinese Food Hip?

I've been making the exact same argument about Mexican food. It's nearly impossible to find upscale restaurants in or around Chicago. I'm not even looking for high end, just something other than fajitas and enchiladas....

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Why Isn't Chinese Food Hip?

If you are going to those restaurants to eat Chinese food, then you are obviously not going to the right places. A lot of the "hip" Chinese restaurant serve awful food because the owners realize once they get popular to the Americans, they must cater the taste of the food to the American palette.

The problem why Chinese food is not hip is not because of the food its because of the marketing and how the business is run. Chinese food has already a very low market price and now that it is established many people do not want to pay more if they already got it at a low price. Low price of food usually means the food isn't refined. Chinese people are everywhere and they build awful Chinese take out to trick stupid people everywhere. Because the food is so prevalent like hot dogs, it is never seen as something very special. Chinese culture stresses prosperity. So when Chinese people want to go to to eat, they like to see giant plates of food, not small cuts of fish on rice. Because of this Chinese food is often looked at not being refined.