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Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
Well Daniel, I can say that you're a snob as to dissing people who like their burger cooked past medium, and wondering why people like ketchup. You sound like a huge snob in that factor. Blue Cheese and Mustard? Sounds kinda...wrong?
@Sov: the person who asked the question obviously did not ask it properly. He was asking IF he went vegetarian, where would he would eat his last burger.
Healthy & Delicious: Avocado and Corn Salsa
So when was most salsa filled with meat products?????
Slice Advice for the Obamas: When in Martha's Vineyard, Go to Joey's Pizza in Oak Bluffs
He should spend more time running the country rather than going to look for great pizzas, but then again that's just me!
Pizza looks great btw!
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Data Visualization: Distances to Nearest McDonald's
There is nothing disgusting about a lot of McDonalds, that means jobs. Sorry if McDonalds isn't to many of your likings. No one forces you to eat this stuff, and the fact that most of you are turning your nose up suggest that you don't eat here often or at all so the question is, why is it such a big deal to you?
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
Well Daniel, I can say that you're a snob as to dissing people who like their burger cooked past medium, and wondering why people like ketchup. You sound like a huge snob in that factor. Blue Cheese and Mustard? Sounds kinda...wrong?
@Sov: the person who asked the question obviously did not ask it properly. He was asking IF he went vegetarian, where would he would eat his last burger.
Healthy & Delicious: Avocado and Corn Salsa
So when was most salsa filled with meat products?????
Slice Advice for the Obamas: When in Martha's Vineyard, Go to Joey's Pizza in Oak Bluffs
He should spend more time running the country rather than going to look for great pizzas, but then again that's just me!
Pizza looks great btw!
Winner, Winner, Burger (and Chicken) Dinner at Dino's in Los Angeles
This is the tastiest looking burger I have seen on this site so far! It is exactly how I like my burgers. Sesame seed bun, american cheese and a very thin well done burger patty with tons of veggies! I know to a lot of you that sounds like Blasphemy but...oh well, it's so tasty that way!
Hamburger America: Miller's Bar in Dearborn, Michigan
Wow Starsinger are you hating Dearborn enough? I hate it too. For reasons I really shouldn't go into as they might cause a fight. :)
Happy National Burger Month
I'm going to BBQ some cheeseburgers this sunday. But with a nice twist. I am going to put some fried potato slices in after the burgers are done and let the cheese melt. It will be fries and burgers but one. I will be famous. I will serve them with a nice smores milkshake for dessert and ice cold Newcastles to go with it. Happy Burger Month!
'Olive Boyle': A Portrait of Susan Boyle in Pizza
this is all wrong. Those olives for her eyebrows are way too thin.
and is that supposed to be a chocolate fudge bar???
This wasn't funny, it didn't even make me hungry.
Chipotle Redesigns Logo
Downtown Ann Arbor on saturdays some months you can get a free burrito at Chipotle. The lines get real long consisting of normal people and douche bags. It's a nice mix and good for people watching- a.k.a pointing and laughing.
Data Visualization: Distances to Nearest McDonald's
@pavlov, tee-hee. I thought it was funny.
Data Visualization: Distances to Nearest McDonald's
@ carmen89... don't forget to get me a filet-o-fish before you punch out!
Healthy & Delicious: Avocado and Corn Salsa
This looks great! I will definitely be making this. I would probably add some couscous to it...I need my carbs :) I'd appreciate if you checked out my site as well and let me know what you think: www.shar-on-nutrition.com
Thanks!
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
A good hot dog is worthy of nothing less than good mustard, a steamed soft bun and maybe some sauerkraut. Drag it through the garden if you wish. But ketchup on a dog? That's just heresy.
Healthy & Delicious: Avocado and Corn Salsa
I make a similar salsa and mix in shrimp (slice in half length wise) and throw it in a corn tortilla that has been toasted......heaven on earth!!
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
Amen to the anti-shout out to the Billy Goat!
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
Oops, that's re-read.
And for the record, I really like your work on the Slice side of things.
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
Daniel, re-readad your response to "And how would you like that done?"
It really does come off as though you think anyone who likes burgers fully cooked or likes ketchup is some kind of sink peeing mouth breather.
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
@jjchampion: I did mock and it was all in good fun. In reality, I'm in hotdoglover's camp: I don't really care what other people do to their burgers. Or anything else they eat for that matter.
I think my burger reviews will be pretty clear, but I think this Grilled bit is great as it gives readers a chance to know where I'm coming from when I do my reviews. I've disavowed ketchup and brioche buns and declared my love for rare meat and strong cheeses. That's the flavor profile I want in a burger, so when I review a place and say what I like about it, it's great that readers know what I'm looking for so they can decide whether the burger I'm describing is one that they think they'll enjoy.
As for cutting out fast food, my reasons were much more tied to the chemicals that go into it and the treatment of employees by most chains that led me to give up on what had been at least a weekly dining choice. I'm not particularly vigilant when it comes to food politics (see: White Castle intake), but it was a place where I could do a little bit while ensuring a healthier lifestyle, which was important given how much other crap I eat.
@roboppy: You grossly exaggerate, but thanks for the kind words.
@hotdoglover: I do not and would not put ketchup on a hot dog. I love sweets, but I think the processed sweetener in ketchup severely clashes with beef. I actually think ketchup clashes with pretty much anything. The only time I eat ketchup is when I'm eating a quality of french fry that tastes more like oil than potato. In those cases, where the fry is pretty much a vessel for fat, I'll gladly soak the thing in ketchup as sugary fat is even better than regular fat.
@Everyone who equates not liking fast food to being a food snob, I'd love to hear some of you make the case as to the quality of places like McDonald's rather than simply insulting those of us who prefer things like fresh meat in our burgers.
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
A former post I wrote (tongue in cheek) after being called a hot dog snob:
Proudly I embrace the label "hot dog snob".
I would sooner put ketchup on a steak from Peter Luger's than desecrate a hot dog with that stuff. Ketchup on a hot dog is an abomination. It just is. In fact, our Creator prohibited the stuff on the Holy Frankfurter. It was one of the Lost Commandments that was originally handed down to Moses.
I know that some argue "that's how I eat mine, and who are you to tell me otherwise?" Well, if you want to defile a perfect food, I can't stop you. I just wish that you wouldn't do it in public. It's a shameful act that years ago was only committed in the privacy of one's home. I have to admit that my son used to engage in this behavior. I was shocked and had to question my wife regarding the boy's paternity. Nonetheless he stopped this antisocial behavior when he turned 16. Part of it had to do with the maturing process, while the rest of it was because I had threatened to put him up for adoption. My wife and I spent a lot of time and effort administering some tough love in an attempt to turn my son around. I'm glad things turned out ok.
My daughter (22 and out of the house) never put ketchup on a hot dog. But for some inexplicable reason, she stopped eating meat at the age of 16. But that's another story for another day.
The topic of ketchup on a hot dog has come up frequently on Serious Eats. I am an opinionated person, especially when it comes to hot dogs, beer, religion, and politics. But I have refrained, until recently, from commenting on this subject. Why? you may ask. Because it scares me. I've been reluctant to discuss the issue, but I feel like I can share something personal with my Serious Eats family. According to my regular family, I spend more time on these forums listening to you people than them. Anyway, about two years ago I had the most horrible nightmare I've ever had. Fascists took over the country and the first thing they did was take away the right of law abiding citizens to own guns. Then they decreed that hot dogs must be eaten with ketchup. Michael Hoffman was right! He is a wise man who should be taken seriously. As leader of the opposition, I was arrested. The fascists wanted to make an example of me, so they put me on national television and tried to force feed me a hot dog with ketchup on it.
Just before they were able to pry my mouth open, I woke up in a cold sweat. I was so scared that I jumped in my car and drove to my childhood home. I crawled into bed between my elderly parents and even insisted that my mother go up into the attic and bring down my old teddy bear and security blanket. With the help of a loving family and a good therapist, I have been making progress dealing with my phobia.
This whole ketchup on a hot dog abomination should have been nipped in the bud. Because it wasn't, we are reaping the consequences. Reprobates have opened trendy hot dog restaurants (in New Jersey of all places!) and introduced all kinds of deviations from the traditional hot dog. In addition to ketchup, we now have such things as cream cheese, peanut butter, broccoli rabe, corn flakes, and eggs being thrown at us. And that's just some of the things. The rest I've blocked out, fearing a relapse and a possible return to the psychiatrist's couch. I shudder to think what might be next. The rumor going around in hot dog circles is that two twenty something guys are looking to open their own place soon. Their goal is to outdo the existing hot dog eateries where the focus is the crap piled on the dog rather than the dog itself. Proposed toppings include raisinets, gummy bears, rice crispies, oatmeal, and sweet tarts.
Be afraid. Be very afraid.
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
Oh great! Another ketchup snob. Enjoy your blue cheese with a bit of beef underneath.
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
See, that's what I mean. I don't look down on them. My own son, who is 18, and past the age where most make the transition from ketchup to mustard, still puts ketchup on his hot dog. I finally got him to try mustard. He likes it and puts it on his dogs about 25% of the time. But he still prefers ketchup. While it may not be wrong to enjoy a combination that you like, I still feel ketchup ruins or at least diminishes a quality hot dog.
Some people may dip a great pickle in ice cream. To me it diminishes both. But these people do it. Are they wrong? That's how I view ketchup on a hot dog. But yet I like it on a burger.
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
Hotdoglover, it's really just a matter of taste. Some people (not me, but whatever) actually like ketchup on hot dogs. Are they wrong? I don't think so, they just have their own vision of what tastes good. No reason to look down upon them.
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
Daniel,
Do you by any chance put ketchup on a hot dog? I don't think it goes well on a hot dog and tends to mask it's flavor. For that I'm called a hot dog snob. Which is pretty funny since to me that sounds like an oxymoron. Personally I don't care if someone puts dog poop on their hot dog. It probably goes better than ketchup. But some people act as though I'm trying to outlaw it. It seems that a lot people who prefer ketchup as their condiment of choice on a hot dog have a hard time with those who express the opinon that it doesn't belong.
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
I honestly didn't read Daniel's answers as snobby when I read them, but I think that's because I've actually met him and he's one of the least snobby, nicest, and easy to talk to people I've ever met. I'm glad to have him on the AHT team.
If not liking McD burgers = snobbery, then I was a burger snob since I was born. I never liked their burgers..BUT I LOVE ME SOME CHICKEN NUGGETS. And like Daniel, I cut out most most fast food nine years ago too. :\
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
gosh burger sluts are every bit as offensive as burger snobs.
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
Daniel, it's the tone of your answers.
You love White Castle? That's fine. But then you add that you cut out fast food nine years ago, and later dis McDonald's (yawn). It smacks of snobbery, like when people proclaim "I don't even own a TV" before ranting about the quality of television programming.
You like your burgers rare and without ketchup? Fine, good for you. But then, as carmen89 mentioned, you proceed to mock those whose opinions and preferences differ from yours.
Whatever. I know these "Grilled" features aren't particularly serious, and I imagine that some of your answers were tongue in cheek or meant to be flippant, but it read as burger snobbery to me.
Grilled: Daniel Zemans, Chicago Correspondent
As far as doneness goes, for me at least, food safety is a non issue. I just prefer the taste and texture of a properly (fully) cooked burger.
Healthy & Delicious: Avocado and Corn Salsa
@Hilfy - Most vegans don't want to limit others' lifestyles. Certainly, I would be thrilled if certain family members *chose* to eat less meat, but I don't think it's my responsibility or duty to impose my choices on others. And I think most vegans and vegetarians would agree with me.
I don't really have the funds to run counter-campaigns against PETA. Truthfully, most of the vegans I know dislike PETA and their willingness to exploit women and racial and political tensions in order to get publicity. There are many other AR groups that you have never heard of, simply because they're working without dressing up like KKK members are putting up billboards comparing overweight women to whales.
Are you saying that you don't value human life over animal life? I do. And without going into detail, I can say that you're projecting ideas about veganism onto me – I don't disagree that life requires death.
But I don't think the particular philosophical reasons behind the choice to eat meat or not really factor into the issue of respect. I have my reasons, you have yours. Both of us think well of our reasoning. Let's leave it there, and not worry over, snicker, deride or demean the meals on each others' plates.
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If there are vegans who do not agree with limiting all people to their chosen lifestyle out there, they need to speak up loudly. Currently their voices are being overwhelmed by the strident demands of AR groups who would shove vegetarianism/veganism down everyone's throat. All the lawsuits, advertising, junkscience, and harassment perpetrated by AR groups are a direct assault on an omnivore's lifestyle. Everyone has a right to make their own food choices, but if those people have their way, many people will no longer be able to choose foods they would normally choose. Do you understand?
Sorry, I cannot agree about some life being more precious than other life. Any life no matter how tiny is still life and no matter what you eat, something dies. It's nothing to be guilty about, it's just nature.
Slice Advice for the Obamas: When in Martha's Vineyard, Go to Joey's Pizza in Oak Bluffs
Ok, ate at Joey's Sunday afternoon and I have to agree with Ed that their slice is superior to Giordanos. I had 4 friends taste test both with me and the two main reasons they said Joeys was superior was the sauce and crunch of the crust. I have to agree that the sauce had more flavor and the crust didn't have the doughy quality of Gio's. Joey's is a little oily but it still comes out on top. I will still be eating at Giordanos because of the memories, the sausage pie, and the fact that it is cheaper, but the infallible Ed was right again.
Healthy & Delicious: Avocado and Corn Salsa
I made this tonight. My wife and I loved it! In fact, we made a meal of it using pita bread. Delicious! Thanks Kristen!
Ross
Healthy & Delicious: Avocado and Corn Salsa
@Hilfy - What vegans give you this attitude? To be perfectly honest, I have found far more hostility from omnivores towards vegans than vice versa (then again, I'm not an abolitionist and neither are most of my friends. Yes, there are dissenting voices in the so-called "vegan movement," and many of us dislike the organizations that, in the public discourse, define the opinions of the rest of us). And since I have not always been a strict vegetarian, I can report from both sides of the dinner table - I distinctly remember claiming, many times over, that I could never, ever be vegan.
And I don't think vegans are responsible for labeling omnivores "carnivores," either (on vegan boards, we usually say "omnis"). Many omnivores describe themselves, tongue-in-cheek, as carnivores. But I do think that vegans get a very bad rap in the media, and some of it is the doing of certain pro-vegan organizations that shall remain nameless. But the popular perception of veganism has little do with *most* of the people who actually practice the lifestyle.
I do think vegans and omnis alike can appreciate tasty food. I will eat any vegan food that I find tasty! As far as yeast, bacteria and plants - even the most hardcore AR activists stick to caring about organisms with nervous systems (no one's fighting for Yeast Rights). And many people go vegetarian or vegan for reasons other than AR.
Now, there are very rude vegans (just as there are very rude omnivores, and very rude people in general), but I think it's unfair to attribute traits to a person based solely on the presence or absence of meat in their diet.
Healthy & Delicious: Avocado and Corn Salsa
Well, it's the vegan's attitudes about "their" food that cause the backlash by others. A little less "holier than thou" would go a long way. Anyone who is a vegan would do well to recognize that those they claim are "carnivores", are in fact omnivores. It's no great trick to get an omnivore to eat a food that would be suitable for vegans, omnivores eat anything that they find tasty. And while we're on the subject, I shudder to think of all the yeast, bacteria, and plants that you kill with your "cruelty free" diet.
Healthy & Delicious: Avocado and Corn Salsa
mmmmm this looks so delicious. I topped some scallops with a similar combination a few weeks ago: corn and cherry tomato salsa and a tomatillo guacamole. This looks like a way more efficient way though to get all those flavors in there. thanks! Will def be my topper for this dish next time: http://www.biggirlssmallkitchen.com/2009/07/big-girls-test-kitchen-summer-scallops.html
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There is nothing disgusting about a lot of McDonalds, that means jobs. Sorry if McDonalds isn't to many of your likings. No one forces you to eat this stuff, and the fact that most of you are turning your nose up suggest that you don't eat here often or at all so the question is, why is it such a big deal to you?