Why Can't You Get a Good Slice Outside New York City? 'Wired' Magazine Says It's the Water
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Ugh! Three Bucks a Slice
Wow, what a great quote from the news. Thanks for posting and I'd appreciate learning about any discussions you have with the restaurateurs.
Di Fara Slice Up to $4!
Dear Adam, How about a little more contemplation about the state of the slice in general. In '04 you lamented the $2 slice. And now the Times is saying that the $3 slice is just around the corner. While I understand the complaint of many pizza shop owners, I really think the price of wheat has a lot less do with their price than their utility bills. $28/50lb bag of wheat amortized over god-knows-how-many-pies just doesn't seem to justify a $.50 price jump. Utility bills tripling in a few years however...
http://slice.seriouseats.com/archives/2004/06/ugh_two_bucks_a.html
http://cityroom.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/03/06/mmm-pizza-a-slice-but-at-what-price/index.html?hp
Slice's Endorsements for Presidential Nominees
bstetka - I think they're both from Illinois and I for one have no interest in having Clinton as a representative for me in the senate and on behalf of my beloved pies. It's bad enough she's a senator, let's not make it worse by listening to her take a stand on pizza based on how her constituency feels on any day of the week.
Shenanigans on 27th Street
I'm not sure people should be credited for brilliant if they're doing something deceitful.
Subway Fares and Slices, Still Running Neck and Neck
Well, for most pizza places, especially in midtown, their most expensive ingredient is rent. Unlike the MTA, which gets its real estate for free, the old italian man in the pizza shop (or any race for that matter) has pizza cutter thin margins to work with.
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Why Can't You Get a Good Slice Outside New York City? 'Wired' Magazine Says It's the Water
I disagree with the water theory. The best pizza I have had outside of NYC was in North Carolina - two brothers who moved down from the bronx to open up a place. It's how you make it as well as the ingredients.
Why Can't You Get a Good Slice Outside New York City? 'Wired' Magazine Says It's the Water
It may help those engaged in this melee to know that there is no one "NYC" water. Upper Manhattan and the Bronx get it from one source and reservoir system. Manhattan south of 110th St or so (I'm not sure where the boundary line is exactly) get it largely untreated from the Delaware River and southern Catskills through a different reservoir system. Brooklyn and Queens get it from another source, and I don't know where Staten Island gets theirs from. As many have pointed out, you can get good pizza from places other than the lower 2/3 of Manhattan and outside NY City. I'm sure there is water so bad that you can't make good pizza from it, but it's clear that you can do fine with lots of different kinds of water. For what it's worth, Phoenix gets its water from the Colorado River, the source of a lot of Southern California's water. The City of L.A. gets theirs from the Owens Valley, east of the Sierras.
Why Can't You Get a Good Slice Outside New York City? 'Wired' Magazine Says It's the Water
Slightly OT...but when I was in NYC for my first wedding anniversary 10 years ago, I had a pretzel from a street vendor that I could swear tasted like smog. Not exactly a good thing, not exactly a bad thing...but distinct and unforgettable. So I don't know if you can rule the water thing out...though I agree that bad pizza is probably due more to user error than bad water. =)
Why Can't You Get a Good Slice Outside New York City? 'Wired' Magazine Says It's the Water
h2o? maybe-I think it's a northeast us thing: I've traveled all over the US and there's nothing like NY/NJ/PA ( I live in Central PA) pizza. California pizza just doesn't have the sauce flavor or the great foldable crust.
benlee: FYI-San Fran's great sourdough is from a decades-old starter, but there are also specific cultures/spores present in the air out there. They've even been named for the city!
Why Can't You Get a Good Slice Outside New York City? 'Wired' Magazine Says It's the Water
i'd say it's the italians.
that and all the tough customers in ny.
Why Can't You Get a Good Slice Outside New York City? 'Wired' Magazine Says It's the Water
FYI, NYC water now is way different than it was when I was a kid growing up in the Bronx. There's way more chlorine now and it just doesn't taste as good.
Why Can't You Get a Good Slice Outside New York City? 'Wired' Magazine Says It's the Water
As I've been saying online for 4 years, the water thing is 100% myth. I get emails about this several times a week. According to Maggie Glazer, the myth that baked goods are better in NY because of the water goes all the way back to the 1700's when in the rest of the country people used well water and not municipal tap water. Half the time this wasn't too far from the latrine. In other words the original comparison was comparing NY water, which comes from a pretty good aquifer system upstate, to other systems that would be comparable to what the 3rd world uses today. This rumor says more about how rumors and 'common knowledge' are passed down through the ages than anything about your local water system's shortcomings today. As anyone who's read my recipe (http://slice.seriouseats.com/jvpizza/) or tasted my pizza here in Atlanta knows, it's not the water...
Why Can't You Get a Good Slice Outside New York City? 'Wired' Magazine Says It's the Water
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Why Can't You Get a Good Slice Outside New York City? 'Wired' Magazine Says It's the Water
My, my...it takes more than H2O to make good pizza. It's takes the embodiment of beliefs and soul to create magic and mozarella. The alchemy of alimentary proportions. IMHO, it boils down to these simple rules - high turnover = more production by the pizza man, seasoned ovens = better flavor and product, and lastly, NYC Dept of Health codes = everyones' on their toes, including Mr. D of Midwood. Guess who's favorite dishes are these inspectors lingering over?
Why Can't You Get a Good Slice Outside New York City? 'Wired' Magazine Says It's the Water
OK folks... pizza at DeLorenzo's on Hudson St. in the Chambersburg neighborhood of Trenton, NJ is some of the best I've ever had- rivaling the crisp and delectable pies in Florence and even as good as Lombardis.
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