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Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
Would like to hear a review from someone less biased. Its impossible to not think what you grew up on is the best.
Leftovers: The Day's Stray Links
Ed must be so confused after reading what Always Hungry says about Shake Shack's fries - but I agree with AH, love em
Cook the Book: 'Big Bob Gibson's BBQ Book'
Tops BBQ - Memphis, TN
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I echo my previous comment...
This is why I wish Nick Solares would order his burgers Medium Rare. It is clear that very few AHT readers order their burgers Rare. Some of those pictures in his reviews are disturbingly raw. I love his reviews, but often wonder how it would change (if any) if the burger was cooked a little longer. Would it still be juicy? Would the grind of the meat stand out more? How much additional char would there be?
I also think it would be more useful to see how accurately a place can cook a medium rare or medium burger. With all the bad press on ground beef, I can't blame a place for slightly overcooking a burger that is requested rare.
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This is why I wish Nick Solares would order his burgers Medium Rare. It is clear that very few AHT readers order their burgers Rare. Some of those pictures in his reviews are disturbingly raw. I love his reviews, but often wonder how it would change (if any) if the burger was cooked a little longer. Would it still be juicy? Would the grind of the meat stand out more? How much additional char would there be?
I also think it would be more useful to see how accurately a place can cook a medium rare or medium burger. With all the bad press on ground beef, I can't blame a place for slightly overcooking a burger that is requested rare.
Shake Shack at Home
I do not understand why AHT has not tried this out yet and let us know the outcome.
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JG Melon's must have been an accidental omission
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Whenever i order burgers for delivery i always ask that the bun is wrapped separately from the actual burger and have the condiments on the side. Requires a little assembly upon arrival, but helps with the sogginess.
Has Anyone Had Sister Schubert's Rolls or Marshall's Biscuits?
Sister Schubert's rolls are awesome and so easy to heat up. You can also get them with little sausages in the middle which makes a great snack for breakfast
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Oh Big Bob Gibson,
But your name is Chris Lilly,
I love both of you?
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Saigon Bakery - love the bahn mi
Chick-fil-A
@Lorenzo -
Not sure where you are from, but in the South, where Chick-Fil-A started, there are plenty of things closed on Sundays (including restaurants), just like the Jewish communities you mentioned in your post.
I go to Kosher delis all the time and wish I could get cheese, but that is their beliefs and I certainly don't feel like people are making statements. It's their beliefs, their places, and instead of accusing of them making "statements", I respect their views.
Even if someone was standing at a pulpit yelling at me, I would still march right into Chick-Fil-A and get a chicken biscuit every morning. If i were you, i would not let you paranoia get in the way of seriously delicous food.
A huge company like Home Depot couldn't close on Sundays because its publicly traded and its shareholders wouldn't let that get in the way of profits.
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@ foodinmouth @ Nick @ Ed: If you are looking for value, then I think Baoguette would win hands down. The $5 price for the classic bahn mi is an amazing deal.
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Wonder Bread plant in Memphis. I always drive extra slow when passing it.
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Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
I won't argue about most of the things mentioned in this article, but all i have to say is, you're wrong about the Ribs. The first time I had ribs at Neely's I was so shocked because I had never envisioned ribs to be this good. I will defend their ribs to my grave. Everything else about memphis bbq may be overrated, and hell the pulled pork and brisket at Neely's was below average in my opinion, but damn, those ribs. Can't stop thinking about them. There's no way anything in Chicago comes close, sorry.
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
Born and raised in KS on KC bbq.
Chi City 98-06 and still there every other month.
Married a Memphian and live there now.
I can't attest to the overall scene being better, but from a restaurant standpoint I would definitely put Smoque up against anyone (especially the tourist traps). Love the dad/son combo at Honey1: I'm glad to read they are still around. That plexiglass/aquarium smoker is the goods!
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
I am a Chicago native, but I must say that your claim is ridonkulous. I've spent a significant amount of time in Memphis, and their barbecue outshines ours by miles. It's true that Uncle John's hot links are amazing, but Cozy Corner's cornish game hen puts every other barbecue I've ever eaten to shame. The tourist traps are trash, but that's true here in Chicago as well (hello Pizzeria Uno, I'm talking to you, still have a soft spot for Gino's East though). Plus, Chicago barbecue is a hobby, Memphis barbecue is a lifestyle. BBQ spaghetti, BBQ nachos (BBQ Shop's nachos are worth going to prison for), BBQ bologna, plus ribs that are meaty and spiced perfectly, allowing the meat to shine through. We just don't have that here, the sauce overtakes the meat. Rib tips are the one place where I'll agree Chicago has an edge. Finally, I shall end my rant with perhaps the most important point. Sweet. Tea.
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
As a Memphis native who has spent some time in Chicago recently, I both agree and vehemently disagree with the article. I still think there are some great barbecue places in Memphis that far outshine what I've had in Chi-town, but most people haven't heard of them or hadn't been. However, I do agree that the restaurants noted above (except for Central IMNSHO) are no longer representative of what Memphis 'cue was/is all about. See, a lot of the 'cue places in Memphis have become "industrialized" - that's our dirty little secret. I grew up about a block east of the original Corky's on Poplar Avenue - I still remember when it was converted from an arcade (and a 76 gas station before that) into Corky's. It was delicious and really was some of the best around. However, over time they have tweaked and adapted their original recipes to service the mass market - bottles, grocery stores, etc. The same thing has happened at all the other places - Rendevous, Commisary, Neely's, Interstate, etc. Once they start changing their recipes to be shelf stable and mass-produced and they start using their mass-produced product in the restaurants, they become just another place to eat.
Right now my two favorite places are Central (I like the Summer Ave location - much more room than the one on Central; they have the best brisket and their homemade bbq potato chips are great - especially freshly made) and Tom's on Getwell and Raines (bbq bologna is a must-try!).
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
@Michael Nagrant
I'll have to respectfully disagree with the statement. But I am proud of Chicago. It has better barbecue than most large cities, and certainly New York.
What I do love about Chicago barbecue are places like Honey 1 and Uncle John's because they are totally unique. They weren't researched or market driven. For the most part, the pitmasters learned their craft from their fathers who at some point learned it in the South. It feels natural and inevitable. The rib tip and sausage meals are such a brilliant combination.
I think Eastern North Carolina is probably my favorite region, with places like Wilbers, the Pit, and Allen and Son's really sticking out.
In Memphis, I am absolutely smitten with Cozy Corner, which I'm glad you liked. I don't think we have anything in Chicago that can quite compete with it. Smoque is very good, and their sides are beyond any other sides I've had elsewhere. But the barbecue has always just been perfectly solid. I suppose I'm looking for that edge, a little more heart and soul. Maybe Smoque just needs some more time to develop. It is relatively new.
I still need to hit Kansas City and Texas before I can say for sure. But I am no hungry for barbecue...thanks!
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
All things considered, Memphis is still my favorite barbecue town, hands down. And, good sir, I do object to your calling it the land of Elvis. I eat only in the good graces of Stax Records.
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
I haven't had the good fortune to try Chicago BBQ first hand, but I've eaten extensively at the rest of the nation's BBQ capitals. I'd have to agree with you that Rendezvous and Corky's are not even worth the visit, and Central is underwhelming at best. I'm also curious as to the mythical status of dry ribs anywhere... when I was in Memphis the concept of barbecue as pork sandwiches with slaw and sauce seemed just as valid as it would be in North Carolina (though not as religiously maintained). If there's anything that makes Memphis stand out to me, it's the the healthy blaance of styles (namely, ribs and sandwiches), the availability of BBQ Spaghetti, and the general feel of the city (touchy-feely, perhaps, but extremely important to me).
In any case, the next time you get a chance to go back, I'd recommend three places: The Bar-B-Q Shop, Payne's, and Interstate. The Bar-B-Q-Shop has amazing ribs (and you can order ribs individually with your meal), and Payne's makes the best pork sandwiches I've had this side of Lexington.
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
If it's on TV, it must be true. That being said, man can only eat at one place at a time. I'd rather have one perfect bbq joint, than mediocre ones.
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
There was a piece on TV night before last on the best BBQ, it was between Texas, KC, South Carolina and Memphis, judged by Texans. Memphis won hands down and Chicago was'nt evan a mention.
I guess if I was from Podunk, Idaho and we had a couple of descent BBQ joints, I could write a piece and claim WE had the best BBQ. Dave
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
There are several types of BBQ sauce. Most traditional BBQ sauces either use tomato sauce, mustard, or vinegar as a base, and they come a variety of thicknesses. Each state also specializes in certain types of meat.
Kansas City barbecue typically consists of brisket and burnt ends, pork, lamb, and beef ribs, steaks, chicken and turkey. Their barbecue sauces are tomato based, thick, sweet, spicy and sticky.
Meat used in South Carolina is consistent throughout the state, slow-cooked, hickory-smoked pulled pork. They are more mustard based, but feature some vinegar too. North Carolina also uses much pork but their barbecue sauce is usually vinegar based, thin and runny.
Memphis-style barbecue is known for wet ribs made with a mild, sweet BBQ sauce that's basted on the ribs before and after smoking; dry-rub crusted ribs, made with a spice rub that forms a crust on the surface, applied during or right after they've been cooked; and pulled pork.
East Texas barbecue is an extension of traditional southern barbecue, similar to that found in Tennessee and Arkansas. It is primarily pork-based, with cuts such as pork shoulder and pork ribs, indirectly slow smoked over primarily hickory wood. The sauce is tomato-based, sweet, and thick. It's most common in Houston and Dallas. West Texas features "Cowboy" barbecue, cooked over an open pit using direct heat from mesquite. The meat is primarily beef, shoulder clods and brisket being favorite cuts, mutton and goat.
Barbecue in St. Louis often uses pork and features a sauce that is typically tangier and thinner than its Kansas City cousin, with less vinegar taste. It somewhat resembles the Memphis style sauce.
While barbecue is typically associated with tough cuts of meat, barbecue ribs in Chicago BBQ tends to be from very good cuts of pork, perhaps because of the abundance of good meat and resulting higher expectations in this meat industry town. South- and West-side Chicago is noted for smoked ribs and Deep South style rib sauce.
Of course this is all American BBQ. Brasilians and people of other Latin heritage are disgusted at all the sweet sauces we mop on our BBQ. Look up Rodizio in google if you aren't familiar with it yet. There are many Churrascarias that come to your table every 5 minutes and serve up to 15 types of BBQ meat that Americans don't normally define as BBQ. But it's so good that it doesn't need sauce!
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
We do BBQ different here in NC.,but I have fond memories of the County Line in OK City....ate there once,25yrs ago...
Its got to be good to remember that long..
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
Albert Einstein wouldn't exist without his father Hermann, but it's pretty apparent which of the two ended up displaying more brilliance.
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
I have to say that Chicago BBQ wouldn't exist without Memphis BBQ. Texas, Memphis Kansas, and North Carolina BBQ came FIRST!
There is NO way Chicago BBQ is better; the author should try real bbq from the states I just mentioned and I bet Chi-town doesn't stack up!
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
Chicago BBQ? As a Texan, I never thought I'd see those two words back to back!
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
Full disclosure - I went to middle and high school in Germantown (Houston), and never understood why everyone was so in love with Commissary. "Eh" is how I would describe it - nothing I couldn't do at home better. The defining memory concerning this revelation was when my dad came home with pre-seasoned ribs from WALMART and I thought they tasted better. I mean...seriously. Blech. Also - potato salad that is mostly mayo and not much else, and banana pudding with consistently soggy Nilla wafers, blah slaw.
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
Chicago... Memphis... neither matters to me. I live in central Texas. I need not cross state lines, or even county lines, for good BBQ. I feel sorry for you people who do. :-P
(Ok, I'll concede that Kansas City or Carolina style BBQ sauces pair better with pork. Texans are the experts when it comes to beef brisket.)
I guess you can tell I'm in the "wet BBQ" camp. To each his own, but I just wanted to make sure that west Texas BBQ beef brisket got some love. :-)
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
I appreciate the comment regarding the brisket being the best "this side of Texas." Anyone who tips their hat to Texas BBQ is a friend of mine. :) I would love to try the Chicago (and Memphis) BBQ scene that you mentioned (the pictures make it look wonderful), but all I've ever had to this point is what I grew up eating in Texas. I tell you what, I sure do miss it being up here in Boston where I'm pretty sure they think that a smoked brisket is somewhere along the same lines as a pot roast. :)
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
Dry rub is just weird. It's like dragging your barbecue through a litterbox. But I had several very good chopped pork sandwiches in Memphis. The thing is, it really IS a sandwich, I mean, the unit here is the sandwich, not the meat itself. You have to eat the meat, the cole slaw, and the sweetish bun together. That's different from other places like KC or Texas where it's about the meat, pure and simple.
Chicago BBQ is Better than Memphis BBQ
I grew up in Detroit, and thus not on Chicago cue as I point out in the piece. That being said, my main premise is that I don't feel I am missing out on anything if I only eat Chicago cue again. Agree, same can't be said for Kansas city, if only for a plate of burnt ends. Also agree with Adam, Gus fried chicken in Memphis is the best I've had anywhere.
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damn thing won't let me edit or delete my comment. I meant CRUMBS bakery! haha
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Artichoke pizza. Upgrade from the birthday pizza parties you had when you were a kid, right?
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If I could get Crubs Bakery to make me a giant cupcake as a birthday cake, I'd be ok with dying on my birthday. That is, after eating the cupcake.
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Too many food options. Sixpoint Ales of Brooklyn, instead!
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Would like to hear a review from someone less biased. Its impossible to not think what you grew up on is the best.