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A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
I am so glad you tried this recipe, especially considering the comment on the salt content. I have it high on the list of things to try as soon as I get a baking stone/pizza peel.
Can't wait to try it
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
Great write-up, Adam. I'm a big at home pizza maker, but I also hate making the dough ahead of time, so I usually cheat and buy the dough. This recipe sounds worth the effort and I'm definitely going to try to make it this weekend! Thanks so much!
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
FYI, the first thing Pizzeria Mozza in LA does when they make a pie is broadcast salt onto the stretched out dough.
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
I knew there was another school of thought on pizza dough recipes. I'm so glad you posted this because this may be the recipe/technique I have been trying to find!
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
I have had excellent results using the very same dough recipe that you used.I had been making same day dough for years and this is so easy and world's better. I actually made thirty balls of dough for a birthday party and the dough was so supple that four year olds were able to roll it out quite easily. I put the balls in large ziploc bags on cookie sheets which worked out fine.
http://izzyeats.blogspot.com/2007/04/pizza-party-prattle-menu-mayhem-and.html
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
I would say the general favorite method at pizzamaking.com involves the 3-5 day rise (with something on the order of half a tsp of IDY per pizza and a final dough temperature of 75-80 F). Going out to a week with those doughs will definitely give you something alcoholic and overproofed. The method I linked is great because you can make a batch of dough (say, 3 pizzas worth in your Kitchenaid) and then leave it for whenever in the next couple of weeks is convenient. The elasticity of the dough is fantastic. This is accomplished by starting with cold water, using about a quarter or third as much IDY, and developing the dough a bit less before tossing it in the fridge... after a few days the gluten will organize itself quite well.
And yeah, pizzamaking.com is a huge time waster. But you get pizza out of it.
About salt and temp: 1.5-2.0% salt is a must. Can't really taste the dough otherwise. I think 450 F can be just fine for cooking a pizza- you don't get nice charred spots, but it browns and crisps well. Toss it under the broiler for a couple minutes to finish it off with nice char on top.
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
Great tech post! I've spent the last three months up to my elbows in the recipes from American Pie. I'm working mostly with the Neo-Neapolitan dough, though. I'm coming up with great dough flavor, but I've never achieved that big hole structure you've got. That aside, I'm just a 900 degree oven away from the best pizza in Northern New England. I may attempt to build some sort of brick oven monstrosity in my back yard if this damned winter ever lets up.
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
We have had tremendous success with our pizzas, even without the refrigeration. Enough salt is definitely key. And we recently switched over to 00 (double zero) flour, and that has taken it to a whole new level: perfect teeth resistance and a nice chew.
They are definitely not super easy to handle, but aren't terribly difficult by any "stretch." When I ate at Pizzeria Mozza in L.A. and watched the guys behind the counter churning out pie after pie like nothing, though, I was quite envious.
My wife and I are torn on the sauce. I like just the crushed San Marzanos with some olive oil, salt, pepper, and a dash of fresh oregano, and no cooking. She has taken to adding a tbs or two of tomato paste to the sauce, for a little zing, but I prefer the former.
Definitely need a 550 oven and the pizza stone. Huge difference. 2-3 years, I'm putting a brick pizza oven in the backyard. Then we'll be talkin'!!!
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
Good insight grampart. :)
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
@Adam: The "rabbit hole" of Pizzamaking.com can be a bit daunting, but the retarded cold dough rise is one of the bits I learned in my early going there and is, in my opinion, the most important factor in making my dough super-easy to handle and the resulting crust ever so much more flavorful. I find the best doughs come from a 3-5 day refrigeration. Also, purchasing a digital scale has helped me maintain an excellent consistency so my pizzas are great every time. Finally, this handy dough calculator proved to be an invaluable tool throughout my recipe tweakings. Try it!
http://www.pizzamaking.com/dough_calculator.html
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
Yeah. The blondness of the dough was disappointing. I've gotten better color on past pizzas. This dough, though, was not only blond but BLAND. As I said, I need to use more salt and probably have a longer rise.
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
@Luther: Thanks! I still have three dough balls left in the fridge!
I've usually been a casual skimmer of Pizzamaking.com, because I've been afraid of going down that rabbit hole. But maybe it's time for me to become an in-depth reader.
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
Even better than a 48 hour rise: a 10-to-15-day rise.
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
@Luther: The blondeness of the dough does not necessarily translate into a lack of crispiness or taste. I bet the dough was pretty flavorful, actually. It only gets better with a 48 hour rise. :)
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
@arbela: I think I mentioned it above, but I used the paddle at first to incorporate everything and then switched to the dough hook and mixed it on medium speed -- around "4" on the Kitchen Aid sliding switch.
@Luther: Please. It was certainly edible. As I explained, I had a hungry gf who wanted a snack and I clearly stated that I put it in at a lower than ideal temperature.
@everyone: Thanks for the comments! I can't recommend this recipe enough. Watch for more experiments with it in the months ahead -- especially as it gets warmer and I can try grilling with it. I promise I'll crank the oven higher next time ;)
A Rekindled Interest in At-Home Pizzamaking
Reinhart is the man for real. Get your oven hotter! That pizza looks weak and flabby and barely edible; you can tell it wasn't cooked hot enough.
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I am so glad you tried this recipe, especially considering the comment on the salt content. I have it high on the list of things to try as soon as I get a baking stone/pizza peel.
Can't wait to try it