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GQ: The 'Try Before You Die' 20
Hmm... So I guess nobody has any information on that burger at the Spiced Pear, right? Sounds pretty crazy.
Australian Burgers with 'The Lot' at the Sunburnt Cow in the East Village
Oh, hey, I had one of those at Bondi Road (the Sunburnt Cow's sister restaurant) once. It was pretty good. I definitely liked how I kept discovering new things inside my burger.
Gran Gusto in Cambridge, Mass.: As Neapolitan As It Gets
Thanks for the review, I've been meaning to try that place out for a while. Sounds great.
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Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
well, you can't go too wrong with any of these three, but i definitely agree with adam on the brussels sprouts and pancetta and the hot sopressata pies at motorino. they were awesome.
GQ: The 'Try Before You Die' 20
Hmm... So I guess nobody has any information on that burger at the Spiced Pear, right? Sounds pretty crazy.
Australian Burgers with 'The Lot' at the Sunburnt Cow in the East Village
Oh, hey, I had one of those at Bondi Road (the Sunburnt Cow's sister restaurant) once. It was pretty good. I definitely liked how I kept discovering new things inside my burger.
Gran Gusto in Cambridge, Mass.: As Neapolitan As It Gets
Thanks for the review, I've been meaning to try that place out for a while. Sounds great.
Bob & Timmy's Is the Fifth Best Pizzeria in the U.S.?
Man, I don't know, Ed. They were really good. I haven't had many other ones on the list (Sally's, Frank Pepe, Totonno's, Santarpio's), so maybe I'm not too sure about top 5 pizzas. But I would say it's up there with Sally's and Frank Pepe, and way better than the one time I had Santarpio's (which I do need to try again, but for now consider far worse than Picco or Regina). Probably below Totonno's, but not by too much. It's a tough call, and one that I am definitely willing to research further.
Bob & Timmy's Is the Fifth Best Pizzeria in the U.S.?
Just got back from Providence. We got one spinach and mushroom pizza and one half "Pizza II" and half four cheese. They were all really good. I was pretty skeptical after seeing some of the photos on their very own website, but was pleasantly surprised with the results. The cheese was all melted, they all looked really nice, and were well-made. No cold spots, nothing wrong at all. The pomodoro sauce had a little more oregano flavor than I care for, maybe, but hey. Maybe Ed just got it on a bad day? Or am I the only one here that thinks at all favorably about it?
Leftovers: The Day's Stray Links
I went to Pizzeria Dante yesterday and ate a couple slices. Very good sauce, hearty crust. After one trial (of just the ready-made slices), I'm just about ready to say that's a better choice in Coolidge Corner than the Upper Crust (even though I'm also an Upper Crust fan, just wish they could always make the crust the way I like it).
Openings: Orta, Neapolitan-Style, Wood-Fired Pizza in Pembroke, Mass.
hey, thanks for the heads-up. i just went there tonight and had the margherita napoletana - it was awesome. the house-marinated olives and stuffed eggplant appetizer were also really good.
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I just ate the Alsatian pizza at Picco in Boston last night. It was awesome.
Dear AHT: Boston Five Guys No Good
I thought the Dedham one was pretty good, too.
Coal Vines Slideshow
@jjerrier - I ate at Campania over the holidays, it was delicious. Another one to add to that list is Cavalli in Irving. True Neapolitan, also very good.
Best Pizza in Boston?
@DC Caps - Canestaro's and DaCoopa's are 2 of my top 3 to-try places I still haven't gotten around to visiting yet.
Best Pizza in Boston?
@DustinM - Uhh... There's only one "g." -> http://www.pizzeriaregina.com/
Best Pizza in Boston?
I'm not too sure about Emma's. It's good, but the crust is just too crisp. It's less pizza, more cracker snack. Picco and Regina are my two favorites. But then there are a lot of other good ones, including Emma's. I do agree that Pino's is good (but I kind of prefer Presto, and they're on Beacon, not Commonwealth).
Angela's: A Coal-Oven Pizzeria in Massachusetts
Thanks for posting this. I went to Angela's on Saturday, and it was awesome.
'Details' Magazine Pizza Roundup
Thanks for this post. I finally got around to trying Picco last Friday, and it was truly awesome. I had the puttanesca and grilled eggplant. Delicious.
Favourite Pizza toppings?
thin crust with fresh mozzarella, artichokes, and good olives.
Coal Vines Slideshow
Yeah. Thanks for posting this. I grew up in the DFW area, and checked out the Southlake location while I was home for Christmas. Amazing pizza. Everything about it was just about as good as I could hope. I loved the sauce, and the pie was cooked perfectly.
Which City Has the Best Pizza?
I'm with hskrsedge. You can't really compare all the different pizzas to each other. That's like asking which country has the best food. Italian food is good, Thai food is good, Mexican food is good, they're all just different. I grew up in North Texas, and I've had great pizza at Mama's in Fort Worth and J&J's in Denton, at Gino's East and others in Chicago, at several places in New York, Connecticut, and Rhode Island, at Serious Pie in Seattle, and they're all completely different. I live near Boston, so my favorite, naturally, is Boston pizza. Regina, Emma's, The Upper Crust, Santarpio's, Supreme, there are some good pizzas here. I couldn't even really say which one of those is my favorite (except I probably could: Regina) because even they are so different. The best thing about all of them is that I don't have to drive 3-4 hours to get a pizza. But one thing is certain: my favorite is definitely not the one I grew up with (Pizza Hut or Domino's or Mr. Jim's or something).
Cook the Book: 'Pure Dessert'
my go-to dessert is flan, usually with raspberry sauce instead of the caramel sauce. i also like making ice cream.
Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
Thanks everyone for all your great feedback, Josh S. here. I will fully admit that I don't know the difference between Naples and Neapolitan so forgive me if I made things confusing. I had narrowed down the list to these 3 based upon proximity to other items that I will be nearby.
As I had mentioned I just don't think that Di Fara is truly and option for me. With my schedule it looks like the only day I could potentially make it, is Monday and well I know they aren't open on Monday or Tuesday.
Based upon everyones recommendations and comments I think I will be choosing Motorino for my choice of pie. While I am all for history, I will be more certainly impressed with the taste of the pie rather than the history. Depending on a couple of factors I might be able to make it to Lombardi's if anything for comparison and completeness.
Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
Sorry, when I made my post about Luzzo's I was under the impression that he was going to three pizzerias, not just one.
If you're going to just one of those three I don't think it is a question, Motorino is the best. Only question is Manhattan/Williamsburg location, idk, has there been any consensus on which is better or are they pretty much the same?
Di Fara is definitely worth the trip but he already said he doesn't have time for that. Although if he did that would be the place to go.
Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
I'd have to agree with Sean. The DiFara experience is worth the trip. DiFara's probably isn't my favorite pizza (here I go - not succumbing to 'groupthink'), but Dom is probably my favorite pizzaiolo.
And when you tell people you had pizza in New York and someone raises the eyebrow and asks, "but did you go to DiFara?" your response can be a Gary-Cooperish "yup."
Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
Go to Di Fara. The way you phrased your question it seems like Di Fara is your #1 choice.
Co., Motorino, and Lombardi's are all likely to be there when you return but I wish I could say the same for Di Fara. Make it work. Go at an off-peak time (late lunch before they close to prepare for dinner). It's 40 minutes from Times Sq by subway. Otherwise you'll come and likely enjoy any number of great pizzerias but you won't have been to Di Fara. If you have time for a second choice, then consider those others, but if I were you, I'd pay a visit to Dom.
Hope you like NY!
Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
Pizzasnob: No need to apologize. I didn't take it as a flame! I think you were right on about what you said. As for Luzzo's, that one, I've come to learn over the years, is a love it–don't get it situation and probably does come down to the crispness/thinness issues you mention.
Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
btw - just re-read my post. might have come off more critical than i thought - no flame intended (but this pun? for sure!). sorry bro.
anyhow - i thought i'd branch out from his list to give him more options.
Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
@pizzasnob: We'll have to agree to disagree here on Motorino-Luzzo. That's fine. Just wanted to jump in here re Lombardi's. I would in no way recommend it above Patsy's (East Harlem), Totonno's, etc., but, as I pointed out, given Josh's list above, that's what I had to work with. If he wanted to do coal-oven and time/travel were not a factor, I'd send him to Patsy's or Totonno's Coney (if it were open). I haven't been to Totonno's UES in a while so can't vouch, but Totonno's 26th/2nd was not worth sending someone to. I'd go to John's Bleecker Street or Arturo's before Totonno's 26th.
Artichoke on square might actually be a good suggestion for a taste of Di Fara.
Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
i've always had the exact opposite sentiment with adam's luzzo-motorino comparison - even did a same-afternoon comparison on my birthday, and the general consensus definitely prefered luzzo overall. i can't exactly pinpoint why i do; i like its thinner crust style better.
as for the new york coal-oven - lombardi's? really? i'd happily take the original patsy's or possibly even one of the chain locations of patsy's or angelo's over it. I'd take grimaldi's over it, even if their inconsistent pies and tourist trap line get worse every year. i guess it works as a good tourist location due to its proximity to the brooklyn bridge. I'd take nick's and totonno's UES locations over it. ever since i first went to lombardi's in '02, i've always been underwhelmed by its hype--although i've always appreciated its history.
artichoke basille's may be overrated, but i believe their proximity to union square helps those that want to see what di fara's is like. "wha?!", you say? well, my fave di fara offering is his square slice, and i think the basille boys' square slice at least gives a hint to the uninitiated what dom's work may taste like without having to make a three hour minimum trip. it's not the same, but the cost/benefit ratio can be helpful to a tourist with a tight schedule. just don't bother with the artichoke slice.
Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
Lombardi's. Do it. It won't disappoint. Can't get pizza like that virtually anywhere outside of NYC.
Motorino's fantastic, but good neapolitan-esque pizzas aren't too hard to find these days.
Co. ... eh. I don't get what the fuss is about. It's good, but not great in my book.
Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
I dunno. If I were doing Naples-style and had to choose between Luzzo's and Motorino Manhattan (which is literally just around the corner), I would HANDS DOWN go to Motorino. Luzzo's, every time I've been (and I've gone many times at the insistence of people who write to tell me it's great), has had an absolutely flavorless crust. There is just no way that Luzzo's is in the same league as Motorino.
And, to get things back to apples-to-apples, comparing a Lombardi's pie (Neapolitan-American) to a Naples-style pie is apples to oranges. If you wanted a traditional Neapolitan pizza, then, no, you wouldn't go to Lombardi's.
But part of what Josh was asking was "Any suggestions out of those three that would best sum up New York pizza?"
Like I said, if pressed, I would have to say that, of the options Josh lists, Lombardi's best "sums up New York pizza." The traditional Naples-style pies are a relatively recent development in NYC pizza, with perhaps the first incursion of the genre coming in 1987 with Mezzogiorno in SoHo. But, according to pizza maven Ed Levine, La Pizza Fresca (opened in 1996) really pioneered the Neapolitan-pizza movement here in the city. All these types of pizza best represent Naples.
And, of course, you're going to get a lot of people who say that the coal-oven places like Lombardi's (or Totonno's, Patsy's, John's, Arturo's, or Grimaldi's) aren't truly representative of New York pizza since what most people eat day to day are slices from run-of-the-mill neighborhood pizzerias.
To sum up, given Josh's choices above, I would say ...
Motorino: If you want THE BEST TASTING pizza, prefer trad Neapolitan-style, and don't necessarily care about NYC pizza history.*
Lombardi's: If you want to get a taste of the whole NYC coal-oven thing. (Be sure to ask to see the oven, and see if they'll reel off some of the specifics of how it works.)
Co. Company: If for some reason you're near it and don't have time for the others.
*In the interest of historical accuracy, I have to point out that the current Lombardi's is not in the original location and has not been operating continuously since 1905, which is when Gennaro Lombardi first applied for his pizzeria license. The original, at 53 Spring Street, closed in 1984. The current one opened in 1994 at 32 Spring Street, with a Lombardi grandson (also named Gennaro) as co-owner. Eric Asimov has more on the history of the current Lombardi's founding in this 1996 article from the New York Times.
Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
Don't want to get off topic captpizza. I'd hate to wear out my welcome.
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
I would go to Luzzo's rather than Lombardi's. I know people seem to be mixed on Luzzo's but I thought it was great when I went and if you are looking for Naples-style pizza it is definitely a lot closer than Lombardi's. I've only been to Lombardi's once but it wasn't that great. An OK pizza but if I was only going to visit 3 that definitely wouldn't be one of them.
Motorino has been great 2/3 times I've been there. Last time it wasn't nearly as good but hopefully that was just a one-time thing (talking about williamsburg location).
Australian Burgers with 'The Lot' at the Sunburnt Cow in the East Village
I got pretty excited when I saw this because I'm going to Australia next month. And then I realized this place is in NYC.
Australian Burgers with 'The Lot' at the Sunburnt Cow in the East Village
there's something about beets the next day that makes the whole beet scene wonderful!
Australian Burgers with 'The Lot' at the Sunburnt Cow in the East Village
When I first heard about Australians putting beets on burgers, I tried it for myself, and whenever available I get them. I think it works really well.
An egg is one of my favorite burger toppings, though I like the yolk to be super runny.
Gran Gusto in Cambridge, Mass.: As Neapolitan As It Gets
Based on this review I went last night. My expectations were high. As a New Yorker trapped in pizza-deprived Massachusetts, I'm always on the lookout for something good.
We ordered the Salsiccia e Friarelli (described above) and the Diavola (buffalo mozzarella, salami, red sauce). I enjoyed the Friarelli - we didn't get as much broccoli rabe as you did. It was very well balanced and the crust was perfect. But the Diavola was so much better. There was a surprisingly small amount of tomato sauce, but it was a wonderful, subtle and intense sauce that opened up like a fine wine after a couple of slices. There was a thick, sweet flavor of basil and plenty of excellent olive oil. The mozzarella was moist and nicely melted. The cornicione had an audible crunch at first bite, but the whole of the crust was chewy and moist.
Thank you for an excellent recommendation!
Gran Gusto in Cambridge, Mass.: As Neapolitan As It Gets
Kenji, as an admirer of your work here and at GoodEater, I'd be pleased to break cornicione with you. I've been to Gran Gusto once before and left on the fence, so I'm down for a second round. I found your email address over at GoodEater, I'll hit you up shortly.
Gran Gusto in Cambridge, Mass.: As Neapolitan As It Gets
@Carey
That Broccoli rabe does look better. I think Gran Gusto just made my dinner plans for when I head up to boston on monday night.
Any Boston area pizza-eaters care to join?
Gran Gusto in Cambridge, Mass.: As Neapolitan As It Gets
I live a stone's throw from Gran Gusto and have dined there on a number of occasions. Initially, I loved their pizza. As I sampled more NYC Neapolitan-style pies (UPN, Motorino, Co.) however, I discovered that it was simply mediocre. Like others have commented, I too believe the mozzarella could be more melted, the sauce could be drizzled with more olive oil and, most importantly, the cornicione could have a lot more puff and char to it. Good pizza for the Boston area? Yes. Good compared to anything in the tri-state region? Probably not.
P.S.: If you do dine at Gran Gusto, be sure to order the grilled baby octopus and calamari appetizer. It's to die for.
Gran Gusto in Cambridge, Mass.: As Neapolitan As It Gets
It seems that they just attach the word "Neapolitan" to any 12 inch pizza anymore.
Bob & Timmy's Is the Fifth Best Pizzeria in the U.S.?
You're right. It could have been a bad day, airstrikemike. But were the pizzas you had worthy of being called one of the best five pizzas to be had in America?
Best Pizza in Boston?
Pizza Oggi, now in Cambridge, has some consistently great pizza. Great crusts, usually sprinkled with poppy seeds or whatever else is hanging around, and hight quality toppings. www.oggigourmet.com
Best Pizza in Boston?
I have a few favorites:
1, Bianchi's Pizza on Revere Beach.
2. Santarpio's in East Boston
3. Brown Jug in Chelsea
4. Little Italy in Beverly
Best Pizza in Boston?
Emma's crust is all wrong, it is wafer thin and too much like a cracker for my liking. I have given up on finding a good slice of Italian pizza in Boston. I have found most of the establishments in the North End to be tourist traps, and the remainder outside of that area are Greek owned and better suited towards diner food than authentic pizza.
Best Pizza in Boston?
OK, I realize this post is a bit late, but I came across this blog after having done a google search in my quest for a really good slice of pizza. I live in cambridge now, and used to live in the North End. I like Regina's alot, but I honestly can't say I love it. For sicilian, I do love Galleria Umbertos. And actually my favorite pie in the North End was Il Pannini Express. Very New York-esque. I also love their Cambridge location. I also like Cinderella in Central Square, though they do have a tendency to overcook their pizza. It is great when it is not overooked however.
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well, you can't go too wrong with any of these three, but i definitely agree with adam on the brussels sprouts and pancetta and the hot sopressata pies at motorino. they were awesome.