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Starbucks feels like McDonalds now, it's not the same as when it launched. I rather go to a local cafe that has a warmer community feel than a corporate feel.

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How Do We Save Starbucks?

Starbucks feels like McDonalds now, it's not the same as when it launched. I rather go to a local cafe that has a warmer community feel than a corporate feel.

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ChristineB Wrote:

4) You pay for internet at home. Why shouldn't you pay for it at a coffee shop?

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Because I don't pay $5 for a cup of coffee at home... that's why.

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The bottom line is, it's just not very good coffee. I take strong exception to the commenter above who stated that it wasn't burnt, it was just a dark roast. I love a strong, dark roast - the stronger, the better. Starbucks' blends have a bitter, burnt taste to them. The fact that "plenty of people like it" is far from a ringing endorsement. Plenty of people like lots of things - doesn't mean any of them are any good.

Start by getting back to something novel: offering decent coffee at a fair price. You're a coffee shop. Get out of the friggin' music business and focus on your core.

Offer simple pastries that are fresh. You certainly charge top dollar for pastries that are - at times - stale and dry.

Two words: customer service. Your baristas are often misanthropes who think they are too good to be making my beverage because they should be working on their novel or something. And they're slow.

Clean your stores up. I know they all see a high volume in the mornings, but they shouldn't look like a tornado just blew through.

Free Wi-Fi. Free Wi-Fi. Free Wi-Fi.

I agree with the commenter above - a SB employee - who said that there should be nightly entertainment. What a terrific idea. Our local coffee shops do that, and they bring in customers around the clock, while fostering a feeling of community.

For those of you rooting against Starbucks in favor of the local shops, check out the recent article on Slate discussing the ameliorative effects on the mom-and-pop places when Starbucks moves in. Many local operators - fearful of Starbucks moving in down the street - found that their business actually increased.

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My Dad growled at me the first time I told him I wanted to go get a drink at Starbucks. I must sympathize with him that the prices are often unreasonable--especially when you think that so much of the liquid used to make the drinks (other than milk) is WATER!!!! BUT, I still go...probably too much for the budget that I have. That being said though, I do agree with Banannah that it would be better to just support local economy and local coffee shops!!!

I've never tried their breakfast sandwiches, but I have to admit that their pastries do look good (I've never tried one though)...

I think the problem is that Starbucks is so synonymous with coffee these days--people know what the menu is like, can customize their drink, and the location of the restaurant is usually convenient. I think we, as the potential consumers of the product need to recognize what we can or cannot support. If you love Starbucks too much to consider giving it up, then support the chain. If you absolutely despise it then you never have to go. (Rocket science, I know.) Honestly, if enough people care about Starbucks, then all will be well eventually. But if trouble continues, then it seems to be a sign that its presence in society is not needed. Whatever its fate, I am certain it will be the right one. Those opposed to the outcome will find a substitution I'm sure. I know I'm making it sound more simple than it actually is.

(BTW, don't we have more important issues to worry about than the fate of Starbucks? I'm not bashing those who do care one way or the other. But I am not sure that the issue in the grand scheme is the most important thing to worry about...)

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I do think there are way too many Starbucks. Several years ago, going to Starbucks on occasion was kind of a special treat, as I was just finding out how good mochas and frappuccinos were!
In the Central Valley of California town where I worked for four years, I saw the number of Starbucks increase from one in downtown (which my coworkers loved!) to six, including three in ONE PARKING LOT (one in Target, one in Safeway and one freestanding)! Also, they went in across the street from a well-loved mom and pop shop; luckily, those who frequent the local shop continue to do so. But the teens from the nearby high school go to the S-bucks in droves!
On another note, the last two times I ordered an eggnog latte, it tasted like they forgot the eggnog, except for a trace of nutmeg.
I think the more hoity-toity places are Tully's and Peet's, but at least they don't have that McDonald's feeling -- yet.

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I really love the frapps an the holiday latte's are great..

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i have never been able to get a soy frappucino from any starbucks. every employee says the same "all we have is a mix." i have, however, been able to get a soy frappe (made with coffee, not fruit) at local coffee shops made from scratch (without the help of a mix). that was my point. no, i do not add sugar to drinks (they're too sweet already). and the point of the thread was simply how to improve the guest satisfaction at starbucks, and free internet is a major incentive for many potential customers to go there.

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I used to work for Starbucks and saw quite a few changes for the worse when I was there, including getting rid of real espresso machines (RIP La Marzocco) and bringing freezers into all the stores so they could all sell the same crap frozen pastries from the same crap bakery in Texas or wherever.
I think we all need to realize that Starbucks is no longer a place where you can get great coffee. It's where Americans get their sugar/caffeine/milk fix, and can feel a bit special while doing so, because the company has managed to somewhat maintain their hoity toity vibe. I feel Ed's suggestions are entirely reasonable given the direction the company has taken, and I'll bet that's just what they're going to do. Schultz said they were going to focus on international expansion, slow down building new stores in the U.S., and shut down those that aren't performing well.
I'm sure that's all they'll need to do to save the company. Those of us who reminisce about the way things used to be will have to keep doing that, because it's never going to be a great cafe again.

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1)As someone who was a Starbucks barista for a summer, I can assure you that I learned how to do my job damn well
2)Regular old coffee and plain, unsweetened lattes are by far the most popular drinks sold at Starbucks. No one's forcing you to add sugar, its just there is you want it. Also, the different coffees taste vastly different, so if you think the coffee's especially burnt one day, it might just be the sumatra (which I despise). Some of the coffees are quite light.
3)The pastries are local. The morning ones (scones, muffins, etc) are brought in every morning, and the afternoon ones (cookies, cakes, etc) are brought every day as well, but in smaller quantities, and baristas are allowed to sell them for 2-3 days after receiving them. If you care about the gourmet quality of your pastries, you can go to a bakery or a store that specializes in baked goods. Or, if you REALLY care what goes into your muffin (because I've found that a lot of specialty bakeries pastries are just as sweet as Starbucks's) you can always make your own.
4) You pay for internet at home. Why shouldn't you pay for it at a coffee shop?
5) The frappuccinos are made from mixes (made with MILK) so that they make a consistent product. You can ask your barista to make a soy frappucino with soy milk, espresso, and syrup, but just don't expect it to be as good because it's a made up product that you basically create yourself. I did this with great success when I worked there. (Also there are lots of other sweet cold drinks that are more vegan friendly: an iced soy latte with any of the syrups is delicious, and you can specify exactly how much syrup to add so that it is exactly as sweet as you want it.) It's not that baristas don't "know how" to make the drinks without the mix, they just won't guarantee the product will taste good made any other way.The fruit frappuccinos are non-dairy, FYI.
6) Every other coffee shop I have been to, independent or chain, makes their frozen drinks from mixes. Get used to it. If you want a milkshake, go to an ice cream store, and if you want a drink made a certain way, just ask for it. You might be surprised--for better or for worse.
7) Starbucks treats its employees ("partners") incredibly well. The pay is good, it's easy to be promoted quickly, it can be a really fun environment, you can make the customers feel welcome, and the company has great benefits (health insurance, etc).
8) Lattes cost about the same everywhere, whether you're at an independent coffee shop or a huge chain. Coffee varies a little, but not by much. The only way you're paying >$5 for a cup of coffee at Starbucks is if you get extra shots AND syrups added.
9) I know a lot of people who love the breakfast sandwiches and the other savory food items. My only complaint about the food would be to add more vegetarian items, since all the salads and most of the sandwiches have meat.

I'm all for supporting local coffee shops! I live across the street from an independent coffee shop, which I go to regularly, and I rarely purchase from Starbucks anymore when I'm at school (in Chicago) because there are so many independent cafes in this city. At home, however, in DC, there are tons of Starbucks and very few independent coffee shops, so I find myself going to Starbucks much more often (plus, I still enjoy the community of the store I used to work in--the first Starbucks on the east coast, store # 375). They provide a convenient meeting place and consistently good coffee (I'm not claiming it's great, but it is adequate for the vast majority of coffee drinkers). If we could replace most of the Starbucks in the world with independent coffee shops, I'd be all for it. I just don't think that's realistic.

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my suggestions to starbucks would be 1)train the "baristas" so they're not an insult to real baristas. 2)make the lattes, frappes, etc. less sweet (it's almost as though they're trying to hide bad coffee 3)order the pastries from local bakeries only. no more of their mail-order too-sweet ...stuff 4) free wi-fi 5)no pre-mixed drinks (frappes cannot be made from soy because they're from a pre-mix, and the "baristas" don't know how to make the drink w/o the mix).

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OK, how to save Starbucks? As a person who can tell the difference between good coffee and bad coffe, but couldn't even guess between good coffee and great coffee, Starbucks is nothing to me. My right-wing, capitalist, Ayn Rand-ianism says - "Whatever - let it die." That also tells me, "what can they do to save themselves and why not toss in my two cents?" Firstly, the people have spoken - free Wi-Fi. Give these people a place to hang out and write the next Harry Potter. Most people aren't going to use it and those that do, not for too long. The J.K Rowling's who write a book? It's just like the gi-normous people who graze at the buffet - one loss to a hundred's gain. Get over it.

Get smaller. Local is good. Don't over-expand. Train the employees to make a freakin' latte-schmate. Charge a rasonable (read=comparable to local joints) for a plain cup of joe. In can ost more if it's a GOOD cup of joe. If it isn't, don't get all high-and-mighty.

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I think Starbucks coffee has a distinct aroma, like the Subway bread. It has some sort of crack cocaine reaction. That being said, I have never liked their coffee, nor the cancerous growth of the chain. While I'm sure their are not the most evil of large corporations, I wouldn't mind if they disappeared all together.

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I agree with the aggressive over-expansion. They've gotten away from their original business model. Maybe different from the stores in NYC, here in Texas Starbucks is popping up in every strip mall and on every small town frontage road as a drive through. These stores have absolutely none of the appeal of the ones I used to frequent in my city; they are filled with teenagers, soccer moms and screaming young kids. The employees have a lackadaisical attidude and none of the sense of pride that used to be so evident and infectious.

My suggestion is to shut down these in-and-out locations and only keep the ones in neighborhoods where their original appealing atmosphere can still exist; a place where, if you're a regular, the employees start making your drink when you walk in the door, where you can arrange to meet someone or sit alone and linger over your favorite beverage in relative peace and comfort. Eliminate the food too, except for maybe the pastries. None of it is necessary or memorable. And free Wi-Fi is a must. Otherwise I will continue to seek out the independent shops that offer good coffee, food, service and atmosphere; but unfortunately Starbucks succeeds in shutting most of these down when they can't survive the competition.

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I won't pay the price. In Miami, get a cafe con leche for $1.35 or an espresso (cafe) for about 75 cents.....delicious.! Yes, the restaurans make money.

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It may have been 'one little coffee shop in Seattle' once, but as an argument, that's sort of like saying out that Donald Trump was a cute baby (it's possible...): it's completely irrelevant.

I can't bring myself to weep for Starbucks' possible demise; their aggressive over-expansion, which on a number of occasions seemed focused on shutting down any competition at any cost (consider the number of Starbucks that were, at one point at least, around Cooper Square; yeh, the one in B&N counts too) makes it impossible for me to care if 'Seattle's Best' gets it in the neck.

And although qualitative things are necessarily subjective, I would have to describe Starbucks' coffee as being uniformly unpleasant:
harshly bitter and a bit acrid (growing up in Italy, I've been drinking espresso since I was two, so in my case this is definitely not a question of being unused to stronger coffee).
They seem to have nothing going for them, and their idiotic use of patchy Italian makes me clench my teeth ('venti'? 'latte'? don't get me started...).

Sorry.

I watched Starbucks grow, and many of my favourite coffee shops disappear. This sort of 'progress' may be something one is supposed to accept, but that doesn't mean one has to support it.

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As someone who works at Starbuck's, this is what I think:

Starbuck's is supposed to be a "home away from home," so work on making the café areas larger, brighter, more comfortable, and less noisy. And I do think Starbuck's should provide free wi-fi. Make the store someplace that people want to hang out.

Abandon the "drive-thru." Yes, they make a lot of money for the stores that have them. But Starbuck's isn't supposed to be fast food. "Drive- Thru"s are nothing but. Plus, it's hard to have a nice conversation with a customer when the people in line start honking their car horns. The "drive-thru"'s about getting people in and out, Starbucks should be about keeping people in.

Why not offer entertainment some nights? Many coffee houses do. Just put a microphone in the café. You can bet someone will step up to it (before Christmas, one customer played her violin in the café for us. Neat, right?).

Stop making us baristas hawk new products. If someone orders a mocha despite the "gingerbread latte" posters, I'm guessing that they want the mocha. I don't want to have to say, "have you tried the gingerbread?" It starts to sound like "do you want fries with that?" McDonalds will have coffee bars soon - I doubt they'll have baristas that know you, your drink, and that will give your kid a damaged cookie (we throw them out if they break) free of charge (of course, maybe this might be Starbuck's problem).

Teach me how to use a manual espresso machine (Not to save the company. I just want to learn).

And let me say - Starbuck's does do great things for its employees. I work part time and get health insurance - and after just four months, too - which has allowed to take up some internships I never could have done otherwise. They have emergency funds for needy partners, adoption assistance, etc.

I like mom and pop coffee shops. Starbuck's virtually created their market, and it helps sustain it. Way back in the seventies, my parents drank Folgers. They had never heard of cappuccino's - now they drink Fair trade, organic coffee and grind their own beans. Mom and pop shops benefit from Starbuck's example - I know some pretty bad mom and pop shops that manage despite being surrounded by Starbuck's. And a few great ones that no doubt profit from the very same situation.

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Umm. I've gotten Starbucks' coffee exactly 2wice. Once in an airport (in desperate need of caffeine). Neither time did I pay for it (my soul is unsullied). I could care less about its salvation, or extinction. Mostly, I'm just not that interested in chi chi coffee.

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Let it die.

I'm not ashamed to admit that on the occasions I buy coffee to go I get the Green Mountain stuff from the corner Mobile gas station. The large is $1.89 and way, way better than the burnt, bitter swill that Starbucks peddles.

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I think it's worth saving, too. But I'd start my list with "improve the coffee." Burnt and bitter doesn't equal dark roast. I'm a big fan of Seattle's Best, which is always good no matter where you get it. I have found, though, that if I get a "Coffee American" but have them make it with 2 espressos (instead of 4) and the rest hot water and served in a Venti cup, it's really good.

I don't eat their breakfast food but do love an occasional "sweet snack" and they are pretty good. And they let us hang out and knit in their place once in a while.... it's a large one and has plenty of empty room.

Now let's all save Krispy Kreme... like get them to go back to a good variety of cake doughnuts like they used to do instead of only the fat bombs.

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Starbucks is not worth saving. Enough Said.

Support your local coffee roasters!

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Actually to take it a bit further after more thought (though I am surprised to find myself saying "good" things about Starbucks) - Starbucks is the only coffee shop in the area I live in (which has a good amount of indies around too) that hires anyone over the age of twenty and/or anyone of color. This could be due to the fact that their corporate policy may spell it out clearly - that it must be done due to the high profile of the company.

I rather like seeing a variety of people working as baristas, myself. :)

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People seem to be lining up for the coffee at Starbucks regardless of the taste of it (which it not to my taste).

But aside from that, as a business model (and as a part of the community, an employer in the community though one that came from somewhere else originally) I believe Starbucks offers employee benefits (medical insurance) to anyone who works there. Whereas I have not heard of many independent shops (yet, though certainly they must exist) who offer this perk to employees.

This is the reason why many of the college kids I know would prefer to work for Starbucks as opposed to working for the local indie shops.

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Correct, G-Cod, there should be an urban blight law that any community can invoke to get chains out and where they belong, in the service areas of highways.

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In re Ed's generous five point plan, the Starbucks 2.0 he already imagines -- better food, free wifi, local flavor, already exists, in the guise of the local coffee shop, which still do hang on in many places. Delocator.net http://delocator.net/
is a useful way to find non-chain coffee.
That said, it all depends on context. The Starbuckses that are squatting in so many of my childhood haunts in Boston are a blight -- the Starbucks sign on Interstate Whatever in the middle of a long drive is an oasis.

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I'll tell ya how....

Tell them to charge less then $5 for a frikkin' cup of joe with some syrup and milk.

Starbucks biggest problem is that, at best, it's a rip-off.
Why save it if I can't afford it?

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I don't feel any more responsibility to save Starbucks than I would to save any fast food chain. They may have started as a small shop with great coffee and personalized service, but now I see little difference between them and other fast food establishments. The coffee is not that good -- the pastries are nothing to write home about, and the lunch offerings are nothing special. Why save a large local chain. I much prefer the small locally owned coffee houses. I prefer their food, service and coffee. I also like to support locally owned businesses.

Maybe Starbucks has gotten too big. They were great in their day, but they are much different today than they were 15 years ago.

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