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An Open Letter to Alice Waters and the Good Folks at Slow Food Nation
I am all for the so called "slow food movement". I have attended an event or two. I applaud you folks out there who are sticking your foot in the door and saying " This is the way food is supposed to be". I was born and raised in Nebraska. 99 % of the food we ate was local. We had so many tomatoes, corn and zucchini on our kitchen counter, I can't tell you! Not mention the peaches, cherries, mullberries...Oh, and we fished for trout not too far from my house! Our neighbors had there share of extra food, too. Fresh eggs, watermellon, milk, even a side of beef once in awhile. ;) And we all shared it. I love that concept. Now, I live in California and continue to grow as much "real" food as I can in my garden. I am blessed! But others, not so much. Our world's population has increased dramatically. Because of that, land, which we must have to grow nutrient rich foods has become sacred. The farmer who truly care about the product he or she is putting out is so very important! to all of us. Now and in the future.
OMG, I got that French Laundry rez!
Hope you have a better time than we did, recently. The restaurant is not what it used to be years ago. Keller doesn't even cook there anymore. It has become a tourist trap. The ridiculous cost alone should diswade you. I left feeling ripped off. There are soooo many fabulous restaurants in the San Francisco area. If you must waste your money on FL, please do. But also try Redd (half the cost,at best, but twice as good) while your in Napa and get back to us on which on is better.
What lunch box did you have - what was in it?
Dawn doll lunchbox. Roast beef and butter on Wonder bread, a Mars bar, a small plastic thermos of Mrs. Grass's noodle soup, canned pudding and 3 cent white milk. AAhhh, the 70's.
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An Open Letter to Alice Waters and the Good Folks at Slow Food Nation
I am all for the so called "slow food movement". I have attended an event or two. I applaud you folks out there who are sticking your foot in the door and saying " This is the way food is supposed to be". I was born and raised in Nebraska. 99 % of the food we ate was local. We had so many tomatoes, corn and zucchini on our kitchen counter, I can't tell you! Not mention the peaches, cherries, mullberries...Oh, and we fished for trout not too far from my house! Our neighbors had there share of extra food, too. Fresh eggs, watermellon, milk, even a side of beef once in awhile. ;) And we all shared it. I love that concept. Now, I live in California and continue to grow as much "real" food as I can in my garden. I am blessed! But others, not so much. Our world's population has increased dramatically. Because of that, land, which we must have to grow nutrient rich foods has become sacred. The farmer who truly care about the product he or she is putting out is so very important! to all of us. Now and in the future.
OMG, I got that French Laundry rez!
Hope you have a better time than we did, recently. The restaurant is not what it used to be years ago. Keller doesn't even cook there anymore. It has become a tourist trap. The ridiculous cost alone should diswade you. I left feeling ripped off. There are soooo many fabulous restaurants in the San Francisco area. If you must waste your money on FL, please do. But also try Redd (half the cost,at best, but twice as good) while your in Napa and get back to us on which on is better.
What lunch box did you have - what was in it?
Dawn doll lunchbox. Roast beef and butter on Wonder bread, a Mars bar, a small plastic thermos of Mrs. Grass's noodle soup, canned pudding and 3 cent white milk. AAhhh, the 70's.
Rare Chicken
No offense meant to people who think raw chicken is ick, but one has got to wonder how much of our aversion to it is simply a product of purely North American circumstances.
I say as long as its very fresh and clean (we'd all want this of all our food, right?) it can't be that bad.
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I love Anthony Bourdain, but sorry folks, chicken is meant to be cooked.
I would rather eat a dead bird off the street and throw it on the grill.
Stacey
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Having eaten it on many occasions in Japan, I'm neither an advocate or in opposition. I have alway's seen it prepared in the same manner. First, only the" tenderloin " from the Breast was used. After removing it from the breast and removing the strip of sinue,the chef would sanitize the work surfaces. After the meat was placed on a small cutting board . Placing the board over a sink the chef poured boiling water ever so briefly over both sides of the meat and then immediately plunged the piece into an ice water bath.This technique is used in some fish sashimi preparations as well. While ,I don't crave find myself craving chicken sashimi, I did feel safe as safe eating it as I do most things.
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Regardless of the health and safety situation, IMO raw/rare/underdone chicken is just nasty. I won't eat it that way - even the thought revolts me. If I see pink around the thigh, I put it back to cook some more.
It's mostly a texture thing. I won't eat rare duck thighs either, but duck breasts don't have the same slimy stringiness and I'm fine with them medium rare. I've never encountered good chicken sashimi, but I suspect if I did I'd be ok with it. Raw eggs by themselves also squick me for sliminess, but mixed into stuff... let's just say I love a good old-fashioned steak tartare. Consistent? Why do you ask?
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i for one am suprised by the ignorance of the majority of comments posted here. Jeffrey Steingarten writes about chicken sashimi in one of his articles in his books-
the fact that the chicken could be eaten raw only speaks very highly of the chef and his products, and the fact that he isn't using the industrial salmonella ridden chicken. Remember trichinosis in pigs, which is no longer such a big deal, was the result of extremely dirty and poor rearing processes especialy in diet.
as for those who are turned off by raw chicken- i'm sure it isn't an "alternative" to chicken fully cooked, as rare steak is eaten to well done, but a dish in itself. Just realize that it is possible to eat rare chicken that isn't contaminated with salmonella, and that our food preferences change over the years for the better. Ie rare steak to well done.
Rare Chicken
Ahh the "American mentality". This puts me in mind of the commercial where the little girl says in kind of a sing-song voice "I don't think I LIKE waffles...". As a people, we are resistant to anything different. If someone is not like us, well then they're probably not good enough. Don't get me wrong, I love being an American, I just wish everyone would lighten and "enlighten" up. Back to the food thing though. We didn't used to eat sushi or sashimi until it became a fad in the 80's and then many people were still resistant. I don't know about you but a good fresh sashimi grade piece of tuna or salmon is irresistible to me. What about oysters on the half shell? And as dianeb said, it's all in what you're used to eating. Different antibodies for different diets. It sounds kind of icky to me too, but I've been scared about eating raw chicken just like everyone else. Would I try it? ABSOLUTELY! That which does not kill me makes me stronger. (perhaps that was an inappropriate usage...)
Rare Chicken
A related story:
I've seen an episode of Wife Swap with a family that was entirely dependant on their own resources (on a farm) and they ate their chicken completely rare as well.
As long as the chicken is from a reliable source (or not infected with salmonella) I think it's okay to eat! But this family's bodies were also was so adjusted to eating raw chicken and raw eggs that actual 'cooked' food was difficult for them to digest and made them sick (though I think they said it tastes better)
I wonder if there would be more nutrients in the raw from of chicken though?
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I had the pleasure of eating completely raw chicken sashimi (none of that partially cooked crap) on a trip to Tokyo a few years back. The texture was very similar to that of fish sashimi I have had and when eaten in the same way with a little wasabi and soy it was a phenomenal appetizer. I just hope it wasn't the only time I will ever have to experience such a delight.
Quit thinking that you shouldn't eat it because it's "gross" or you can't get over the texture. I've had underdone chicken and it was in no way reminiscent of the chicken sashimi I ate. I have a feeling underdone chicken has such an odd texture due to it being partially cooked and warm; nothing like the sashimi I had in Tokyo.
Rare Chicken
When it comes to raw chicken, my issue is more of a textural thing rather than a "germ" thing.
I quite often will eat chicken that is a tiny bit pink in the middle or has red/pink bits near the bones. As long as the texture isn't the slimy uncooked chicken texture, I'm fine with it.
*shudder* It's like what I imagine biting into a slug would be like.
Rare Chicken
This is just hearsay, but in Japan, the way chicken is farmed and processed is different, and supposedly the typical bacteria in chicken we so fear is not so prevalent in their poultry. So contaminated eggs and chicken meat is less of a problem there.
I can't for the life of me remember the source of this tidbit, but its food for thought.
There is some plausability in it, given the filthy conditions that most of our CAFO raised meat is raised in that our meat in the U.S. is not safe to eat until cooked to death, but in other parts of the world where practices are different, it may actually be okay to eat meat that hasn't reached that "safe" temperature.
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There are people in third world countries who drink dirty water straight from a nasty river. Their bodies have been conditioned to accept the bacteria they ingest. They eat, not only raw, but "spoiled" meat and vegetables. If we were to eat and drink the same I'm sure we would become ill. Americans have trouble drinking water in Mexico! I, for one, would never in a million years eat raw chicken no matter how it is prepared.
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I have eaten raw eggs almost daily for the past 25 years and have yet to get sick, even with eggs 1 month past the date stamped. I must be extremely lucky!
I've eaten rare chicken, but not by choice. The restaurant just didn't cook the chicken through. It's an odd texture. I'm not a fan of poultry, but if it were a dish done well (raw on purpose), I'd try it.
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No, no, no. No raw chicken-- even for/with Bourdain. Also, no warthog anus.
Rare Chicken
Chicken is either cooked done or raw. There is no in-between on chicken (or turkey). Wonder why duck can be safely eaten medium rare?
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Not to turn you off to raw eggs, but my microbiology prof in college worked for the Dept. of Agriculture as they were testing bacterial loads in raw eggs and finding out the most cost effective ways to pasteurize them. He told us that bacteria set up sites of infection in the chickens' *ovaries* so the bacteria is found throughout the egg. Washing the shell does next to nothing.
Buy pasteurized eggs!
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My rules for raw chicken would be the same as raw everything else- make sure you know where it comes from and how old it is. I suppose the ideal rule would be 'don't eat anything you wouldn't feel comfortable eating raw', but I don't think that's a feasible option for many Americans who are not also farmers. As for the eggs, I used to be terrified of eating them raw...until I saw the statistics. The CDC says 1 in 50 average consumers 'could' be exposed to a bad egg each year. This risk goes down if you wash the shells before you break the egg, make sure they are fresh, and kept appropriately cold. It is a risk, but not a terribly big one for a healthy adult.
Rare Chicken
please tell me that someone has seen the wife swap with the raw food eaters that eat raw chicken out of a jar from their fridge? classic.
i don't think if i was in japan at a place where everyone is eating chicken sashimi that i would be worried about my health, but at the same time i just don't think i'd like the FLAVOR of it. the smell and texture. on the other hand, a blush color in the meat when cooked i don't mind at all, it generally makes for juicier meat.
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I used to work in a medical office and a patient there had permanent heart damage from bacteria she picked up eating raw chicken (and even more disturbingly, she refused to *stop* eating raw chicken!)
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There's a special breed of chicken, I think blue footed chicken? I saw it on Iron Chef America and they said this chicken is raised to not have salmonella and can be eaten raw.
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While living in Tokyo, I ate raw chicken, raw horse, raw goat, raw whale, and, of course, raw fish. Lots and lots of raw fish. Japanese tend to be, after a certain price point, meticulous about their food sources and preparation. So raw anything? In Japan, yes. Anywhere else, a resounding "No, thank you." (Unless it's carpaccio or steak tartare.)
(Japanese were disgusted when I told them I had eaten rabbit, and many could not stomach licorice, root beer, or maple syrup.)
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warm, raw egg yolk improves everything you put it on!(just like bacon). as far as roast chicken goes, a med. rare breast is the juciest, most chicken flavored chicken you will ever eat. I used to think i perferred dark meat to white, until i learned that the white should still be pinkish in the middle and between 125-130degrees. I understand that most people think this is raw. their loss.....
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Not sure if I would love it, but I'd certainly give it a chance to find out if I do.
An Open Letter to Alice Waters and the Good Folks at Slow Food Nation
I find a lot of the anti-Slow Food rhetoric cranky and overwrought. We risk wasting a lot of energy by being too sloppy and arbitrary in identifying who our opponents are supposed to be. Slow Food is not against any of the things the commenters here (and Ed) are proponents of; on the contrary, it's vociferously in favor of them. Even without being a member, I can tell you that the long-term aim of the outfit is not just to swell its own membership rolls--the world isn't going to become a better place simply because a lot of people join a particular organization. What it's about is ideas, values, standards, all of which are stridently, pervasively democratic. "Elitist," "effete," and such labels--which get so facilely applied to Slow Food--are generally not terms that come to mind when one is talking about such folks as Wendell Berry, Vandana Shiva, Michael Pollan, and Winona LaDuke. And yet those very people are Slow Food's heroes, all present at the San Francisco event! My plea is, please don't conjure up enemies and animosities where they simply don't exist and have no reason to. There's way too much work to do!
OMG, I got that French Laundry rez!
Please post on here after you eat there. I eat there in mid-September and am in a daze. Also, I think it is great that they have the new policy that if you have less than 4 people it is $100 for each person. I know that sounds stiff, but I heard in the past if you showed up with less than 4 you were flatly turned away, so if my friends fall through my wife and I are going nonetheless! So please, do post! Thanks, Dave R
OMG, I got that French Laundry rez!
You'd be surprised, V. I don't diswade easily.
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