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Family Dinner @ Prune, Bar Stuzzichini, Landmarc or ?

OK guys, I cancelled the Prune reservation. I think you're right about it being too small and intimate for our group.

Now we're down to Pastis, Bar S., and Artisanal. I'm leaning towards Pastis, which seems toddler-friendly but still not sure. Any thoughts?

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Family Dinner @ Prune, Bar Stuzzichini, Landmarc or ?

OK guys, I cancelled the Prune reservation. I think you're right about it being too small and intimate for our group.

Now we're down to Pastis, Bar S., and Artisanal. I'm leaning towards Pastis, which seems toddler-friendly but still not sure. Any thoughts?

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I love a good Greek salad - with lots of herby notes. To me it's the perfect harmony of flavor, texture, and color.

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Thanks for this Rosh Hashana post! I've been searching the web for some creative dishes for this year's meal without much success, but these recipes seem wonderful. L' Shana Tova.

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I feel like a broken record but, roasted brussels sprouts.

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Hi Zach,

Great post, but couple of corrections. Just confirmed with BB's - they serve the chicken sandwiches on Saturdays (thankfully, as we're flying up today) and they are closed Sundays and Mondays.

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Family Dinner @ Prune, Bar Stuzzichini, Landmarc or ?

I've been to all except the older Artisanal and am a parent - Pastis is actually very family friendly, no one will give you a second glance. Landmarc in Tribeca is very good with kids, as is Bar Stuz. The new Tribeca location of Artisanal (what's that called?) is pretty kid friendly too. You will also be comfortable at Locanda Verde - really good food - better than everything else on your list . . .

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Family Dinner @ Prune, Bar Stuzzichini, Landmarc or ?

From what I've seen myself, I honestly would not describe Pastis as 'toddler-friendly'... I'd go with one of the others.

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

future foodies is a group that arranges restaurant seatings for families with young children. their focus is a bit different - to encourage adventurous palates in the youngsters - but it sounds like it would be quite compatible with your idea
http://futurefoodies.ning.com/

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

I think Baby Seating is a good business idea, and it could be a good way to fill up an otherwise empty restaurant. On the other hand, I really do think if parents want a real "escape" it is less stressful for parents to get a babysitter and have a real "date night." I lived in NYC when my daughter was an infant, and once in awhile we'd take her out to a semi-fancy restaurant for dinner. It was always hit or miss. Sometimes I'd get the "I want a snack now!" cry just as the main entree was coming out, and I'd have to shuffle to the restroom to nurse her, leaving my husband to eat alone. Other times, she'd sleep through the entire meal and not bother a soul. After a while, we just stuck with diner-type restaurants when we had the desire to eat out.

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

My brother and I grew up going to "fancy" restaurants. We both started going when we were infants. Being 12 years older than my bro, I remember that if he got fussy (which was in all honesty, not very often), he'd be whisked off by our dad. They did not want to ruin anyone's dinner, so my mom and I would finish our meal in peace and get my dad's meal to go. By the time we were five, we knew to behave and be pleasant or we would not get to go. And who would want to miss out on a fantastic dinner?!

My parents were smart. We'd go around 5ish and leave early. Another tip from them is that if we weren't behaving or feeling well, we didn't get to go at all and our nanny would stay with us. Parents should definitely take note on this! I can't stand going ANY WHERE and you have a whiny kid in the nearby vicinity. Parents nowadays seem to think that either their kid is an angel or "cute" and DISCIPLINE is not in their vocabulary.

Also, do your server a favor and clean up after your mess maker or if you won't do that, at least leave a big tip!

After all that I've said, I do agree with the original post - restaurants should think about having a "family night". Children can begin learning "restaurant manners" without the rest of us sacrificing our night out.

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

to zack and izzy's mama,

it's the mommy and me movie concept that people don't understand until you have a baby. also to add, when our little guy was 3 months old he was very picky and would only allow my sister to babysit. once we tried a regular babysitter we ended up coming home b/c he was crying the whole time. now that he's 6 months old he's worse when left with others b/c he is so much more aware. of course this dining out experience depends on the child and how much s/he can handle. but as a person who values food and the experience of dining i would like to share this my little guy. we're not talking prefix meals @french laundry but the neighborhood restaurants where we can push the stroller to.

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

Remember when you take a young child out that you should tip a higher precentage than normal because the server has to do much, much, much more work for a parent and one child than they do for two adults. At the same time the total cost of the bill goes down so the server makes less money. Also, anything you bring in for the child (toys, snacks, etc.) should leave with you. Cleaning up after your child's mess is not now nor has ever it been part of the price of a meal. A happy, well-behaved child is a treasure in a restaurant.

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

It is not surprising that most of the naysayers do not have babies or have grown children and have since forgotten the challenges of having young children and a life. Just because one has children does not mean one is destined to only eating at home. Adding a babysitter to an evening out can add a good $50 or $60 to a meal, thereby making it cost prohibitive. And who are you to tell parents what there priorities should be.

I am most astonished by those with young children who don't believe they should be dining out. It does depend on the child and it is up to the parent to determine if and when their child can handle a restaurant-going experience. Yes. Manners do begin at home but a restaurant experience is different and children behave differently in public venues. It is only through repeated exposure can children learn how to behave appropriately. There is a method to getting this to work.

http://www.izzyeats.com/2007/10/out-to-eat-lessons-and-advice.html

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

@joc1234 - To be honest, I didn't write this post to start a "should babies be allowed in fancy restaurants" argument. I actually don't think they should. And that's why we've avoided nice dinners, at fancy restaurants, with our newborn. Even for 5 p.m. seatings... which a lot of restaurants would probably be ok with. I just feel bad. I don't think people should bring babies to restaurants.

That being said, so many restaurants are struggling in this economy to attract customers, that I suggested this idea more for restaurants than parents. The idea being that rather than introducing recession specials to lure in your normal customer base, looking for a bargain- why not do something that would attract a whole new set of customers. Customers who would be more than happy to pay full price, for the privilege of not feeling guilty bring their child someplace where he or she wasn't welcome.

I figured if you did it a) at a time when the restaurant is already having trouble luring people in (first seating on a weekday perhaps?) and b) let customers without children know when they try to make reservations during this once a week or once a month time slot that it has been set aside for families with children, and they are more than welcome to dine during that time but there will be a lot of families there.

That's it! I actually don't think babies should be welcomed at fancy restaurants... but if those restaurants are empty anyway at 5pm on a Weds, I'd be more than glad to eat there if they wanted to welcome me with open arms!

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

I'm not sure what I'm missing here, Zach! What is preventing you from going out to eat early? Unless I'm missing something, none of the restaurants mentioned (and presumably none on the Upper West Side of Manhattan at all) bar children! Restaurants already tend to open around 5:00 for dinner service, so I'm not sure what your point is! It doesn't sound like you're asking for anything special: early-bird menu, toys, crayons!?! So, please, explain to me, in further detail, your idea!

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

The impolitic answer is that it depends on the baby. I don't have children, but a clean, quiet child with parents who don't shove the kid in your face is no big deal. A whining, screaming child with parents who change the child within sight and smell, who grabs at you and then gets you admonished because you ignore the kid rather than 'make friends' is a nightmare. Probably the best solution is for the restaurant to reserve the right to ask the parent to step out with the child if it is proving to be a distraction.

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

My wife and I just had our first baby almost two months ago. We too used to go out to nice restaurants a lot (almost every weekend). In all honesty I think there are places where babies simply do not belong, and fancy (only fancy) restaurants are one of those places.
Even if he behaves, which he is certainly to do because all they do is sleep at that age, the whole experience of dining out does not involve making sure little baby is not drooling or making sure he is properly seated in his infant seat. Those are not things I want to be focusing on when I am out with my wife at a nice place. The whole idea is to focus only on us and be about us for the few hours we are going to be eating out.

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

I dunno, I guess I'm of the school of thought that having children isn't mandatory -- it's a person or a couple's choice. And, with all choices come compromises and consequences, one of them being that you may not get to do the things you were used to doing before you had kids. Or, that you have to have a more detailed budget/money discussion even before having kids; because factoring in the cost of a babysitter one night a week (or month) is something parents should do not just for the sake of others around them on a night out, but for themselves to have their own time alone without the kid in tow. It's allowed, you know...

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

This is such a good idea and I was just mentioning this idea to another mom. Those against this idea don't get it because they don't have babies. The family night would start early and it's not meant to be for single people or couples without babies. I say babies b/c until they become full fledged toddlers or kids it's whole different ball game.

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

Just as I would never dream of going to a Mommy TIme Movie, I would take the same approach if I knew a restaurant was setting aside Tot Time. I just wouldn't go.

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

I think it's a great idea too. But I disagree with some of the commenters - I don't think the waiters have a problem with the kids is the issue - I think most parents are uncomfortable bringing their babies so as not to disturb fellow diners.

Hillary
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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

You can't have it all. Fine dining and bars are for grown ups and are not to be considered make shift daycare centers/ personal cantines. Some of the posters on this board sound a little selfish and it doesn't seem like they have adjusted to the idea that life changes when you have children. There are certain luxuries you have to give up when kids arrive and dining out at high end restaurants is one of them. From a business stand point "baby seating' is a bad idea. Double the people, double the work with only half the pay out makes no sense. Babies don't eat full portions but take up the space of someone who does.
I love kids but I'm with the other posters who say get a sitter and if you can't afford one than you need to prioritize.

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Fancy Restaurants Should Implement an Early 'Baby Seating'

Funny, really... the arguments seem so similar to the ones you get between off-leash/on-leash dog people. It seems like there's very little middle ground here - and while I understand the frustration, I can't see why so many people seem unable to concede a little.

Yes, children learn by example, and actually taking them out in public is an excellent education for them. Yes, letting them run around loose is unacceptable and "free rein" isn't the lesson they need to be getting. I am seeing some consensus that if you go earlier regardless of whether it's a set children time, you'll get a bit more leeway to be free of the dirty looks.

Oh, and for the no-children-in-restaurants people... it's in your best interests for parents to teach their children proper going-out manners. Cut them a bit of slack, and try not to terrify the poor kids.

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