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Wine and Plastic Cups: Not a Perfect Pairing

Riedel has based their claims on pseudoscience. Gourmet had a very well written article about the entire topic, focusing on Riedel.

I like paper cups as opposed to plastic. My compost pile hates plastic.

Shattered Myths by Daniel Zwerdling, Gourmet, August 2004, p. 72.

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Serious Cocktails: Pining for Pimm's

PIMMS...in our liquor control state its unavailiable, so at my bar we make our own, affectionately called PIMMSIES...try 2 parts gin, 2 parts sweet vermouth, and 1 part orange curacao...mmmm...fools the most die hard fans.

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Serious Cocktails: A Lousy Tipper Walks Into a Bar ...

There is rarely such a thing as a 'free drink', commonly referred to as a buyback. It's stolen from someone. You're beloved 'bartender' is a thief.

http://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/ask-your-bartender-buybacks/

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Spiced Rum: It's Not All About the Captain

I make a garden pepper vodka with leftover peppers from the summer's bounty...scotch bonnets, jalapenos, anahiems, bells, paprika...etc. Let it soak for about two weeks, tasting it each day after day 7...drink it with fresh squeezed tomato juice, celery, horseradish...etc. A pepper tequila isn't bad either.

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Wine and Plastic Cups: Not a Perfect Pairing

Riedel has based their claims on pseudoscience. Gourmet had a very well written article about the entire topic, focusing on Riedel.

I like paper cups as opposed to plastic. My compost pile hates plastic.

Shattered Myths by Daniel Zwerdling, Gourmet, August 2004, p. 72.

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Serious Cocktails: Pining for Pimm's

PIMMS...in our liquor control state its unavailiable, so at my bar we make our own, affectionately called PIMMSIES...try 2 parts gin, 2 parts sweet vermouth, and 1 part orange curacao...mmmm...fools the most die hard fans.

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Serious Cocktails: A Lousy Tipper Walks Into a Bar ...

There is rarely such a thing as a 'free drink', commonly referred to as a buyback. It's stolen from someone. You're beloved 'bartender' is a thief.

http://www.jeffreymorgenthaler.com/2008/ask-your-bartender-buybacks/

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Spiced Rum: It's Not All About the Captain

I make a garden pepper vodka with leftover peppers from the summer's bounty...scotch bonnets, jalapenos, anahiems, bells, paprika...etc. Let it soak for about two weeks, tasting it each day after day 7...drink it with fresh squeezed tomato juice, celery, horseradish...etc. A pepper tequila isn't bad either.

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Wine and Plastic Cups: Not a Perfect Pairing

Not necessarily Freestyla... there are other factors to account for:

The first is that glass, crystal in particular allows for optimum clarity when observing the color of wine. Taste, aroma and color are the three most important aspects when appreciating wine; using plastic cups would reduce our ability to get the most out of our senses. Also, unlike plastic, the brims of glass wine goblets can be manipulated to thinner than 1mm. This allows the wine to flow directly onto your tongue (and your taste buds) instead of immediately spreading out, avoiding your tongue and filling the pockets of your cheeks.

Additionally, the weight of glass helps stemware remain sturdy. If you used plastic stemware, the wine would weigh more than the cup and tumble over more frequently, costing you more money to replace those rugs. Standard glass and plastic costs about the same to manufacture but people are willing to pay more for glass than plastic. The luxury of hand-blown crystal comes with uniqueness, elegance and a sense of pride...just like that Corvette we all want.

As I'm sure you may know, recent news warns drinking water out of plastic bottles because the combination of sunlight, heat and other factors can cause carcinogens to leach out of the plastic and slowly poison you over time. They first discovered this by noticing a slight plastic taste to water. With a highly acidic ingredient like wine, the carcinogenic effect of holding wine in plastic can be even more detrimental to our health. A few companies make wine glasses that contain traces of lead which adds structure and allows the consumer to resort to dishwasher cleaning. Riedel does not do this. My suggestion is to avoid any wine glasses that are dishwasher safe. Would you want that corvette sent into a carwash or would you feel much better having someone handwash it for you?

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Wine and Plastic Cups: Not a Perfect Pairing

If Riedel really wanted to prove the point they would surely make plastic cups the same dimensions and shapes as their glass/crystal ones?

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Wine and Plastic Cups: Not a Perfect Pairing

Deb, don't listen to the negative criticism; in fact, don't even respond to those critics. Some people make it their life effort to downplay the opinions of others.

Now down to business... The vessel that you drink wine out of greatly affects the overall impact of the wine itself. Particularly, the wine can be easily stirred to awaken the vibrant aromas which unleash the flavors held within. The human nose can sense more than 2,000 smells while the mouth can only sense sour, sweet, salty and bitter. The power of smell greatly affects the attractiveness of the thing you drink or eat. Think about it.

I would suggest spending what you can afford on wine glasses. Whether its $10 or $100, if you make an attempt to purchase an actual wine glass set, you will be experiencing more quality wine than someone who drinks it out of a plastic cup.

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Wine and Plastic Cups: Not a Perfect Pairing

@kitchenbea - Thanks for pointing that out, the very reason why I use glass. I figured out a long time ago a glass what works in my price point that I can readly get when I break a stem. I really try my best to use the lease amout of plastic as possible

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Wine and Plastic Cups: Not a Perfect Pairing

Never in all my days would I expect THIS post to garner so much attention.

Thanks for all your feedback--positive and negative.

A word about subjectivity. The commentary I provide on this site and elsewhere is all subjective. I don't believe much in a "science" of taste. Instead, I believe all taste (pizza, wine, hamburgers) is subjective and depends on environmental (and other) factors, and that people should make their own decisions about what they put in their mouths based on likes and dislikes and not what anyone else says. So for those of you who are content with your stemware/plastic cups/jars/glasses, I say "Cheers." For those who have wondered if stemware matters, do your own taste test. Maybe it will matter to you, maybe it won't. It matters to me.

I hope that even my critics above--the ones who have lost faith in my wine advice and see this post as somehow antithetical to what I promote in terms of wine value--will appreciate that at least you know what I think on this subject. Now you can discard my opinions in full knowledge of what glass I used to come up with them!

Leilah, you may be interested in the work of Ann C. Noble, formerly a professor of viticulture at UC Davis. According to her research, we all need to be told what we're smelling or tasting before we can identify it. She contends that we lack the proper vocabulary to identify smells and tastes precisely, but that can be addressed through education. That's the basis for her work on the sensory evaluation and appreciation of wine, and it's why the hundreds of students who go through UC Davis and other wine programs throughout the world come out saying "gooseberries" when they smell Sauvignon Blanc.

jnicola, Riedel did not lead me by the nose. I wrote my tasting notes down before he started speaking. If it matters to you, you should know that I almost always can tell different wines apart, can identify varieties blind, and even tell you where the grapes came from in some cases (though I am bad on blind tasting Italian wines and identifying vintages). I would like to think this makes me a better wine writer, and it's not that unusual. You should see a Master Sommelier or winemaker at work. They're amazing. Nobody is perfect, however, and tasting blind is always a humbling experience that throws the limits of your palate and your wine education into sharp relief.

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Wine, to me, just tastes better out of fine stemware. When my wife and I travel. I purchased some good plastic stemware that we can pack in our bar and enjoy wine in the motel or hotel. It's perfect for travel, almost break-proof.
I guess it depends what's important to you but I have cabinets full of fine crystal and fine stemware and we use them. A good manhattan tastes so good out of a piece of fine crystal. Dave

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Wine and Plastic Cups: Not a Perfect Pairing

I've been to a Riedel seminar. I thought then and think now that it was nonsense. Beautifully put together nonsense, making good use of the placebo effect, of the human tendency to agree with seeming experts, and of group dynamics, but nonsense nonetheless.

That said - if you're ignorant, or if you have a tendency to allow your views to be swayed by others, then you probably really will experience the wine as being better when drunk from the Riedel glasses. Placebo effects are incredibly powerful - it's been shown that you can alleviate the perception of pain when removing wisdom teeth by injecting saline; that aspirin works better if it's expensive and heavily branded than if it's cheap and generic, and that telling cleaners that their cleaning activity is good exercise actually causes them to start losing weight. Unfortunately, if you have confidence in your own palate and are disinclined to be swayed by others, the wine will taste pretty much the same to you whether you're drinking it from plastic cups, cheap Walmart glasses, the 'wrong' Riedel glasses or the right Riedel glasses. Any differences caused by the differing amount of exposure to the air, the concentration of the fumes or so on will be fairly minimal even in the most extreme comparisons (say between the plastic cups and the right Riedel glasses) and will be pretty much non-existent in any less extreme comparison.

I drink my wine (a 2005 Meursault this evening; Javillier's Les Tillets) from proper stemware because it simply feels nicer. It introduces a certain ceremony and formality, which I like. (The stemware I use is from Schott Zweisel, who are slightly cheaper than Riedel and actually have a better product - they make titanium crystal, which has actually been properly tested by recognised, independent bodies, and shown to be tougher than lead crystal which means it breaks less and can be safely put through the dishwasher. They have the guts to submit their claims to proper scrutiny, unlike Riedel.) I get aesthetic satisfaction from the appearance of the glass; its feel and the way the wine looks in it. But I don't delude myself that it makes a significant difference to the taste.

I'm peeved by this post because it's caused me to lose respect for Deb's opinions on wine. I suppose most of her judgments aren't affected by these influences, but I didn't want to think that she could be this easily fooled. If she tested her palate in the conditions applied in the studies described in that Gourmet article I'd be absolutely astonished if she could reliably discern a difference between the way the same wine tastes in different glasses. Though if she could that would be a tribute to her powers of taste, and it would rightly get her considerable attention and kudos...

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Wine and Plastic Cups: Not a Perfect Pairing

I have noticed that certain generic plastic cups (like the ubiquitous red party cups) tend to dull certain flavors in wine. I've even seen articles claiming that plastic wrap can pull unwanted flavors out of mildly tainted wine.

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Wine and Plastic Cups: Not a Perfect Pairing

"There's really no need to spend $100 on a single, hand-blown, crystal wineglass if you are going to put $10 wine in it."

Why are you swallowing this line of snobbery, Ms. Harkness, when it is antithetical to your excellent website? I don't need to tell you that there's plenty of excellent $10-15 wine, and that there's a lot of dreadful and overpriced $40-60 wine.

I agree that plastic is a terrible way to taste wine. But guidelines like "spend as much on a single glass as you would a bottle" just serve to perpetuate the idea that you need special equipment and a mysteriously refined palate to be enjoying wine "correctly."

(And I can't help but smile to think of the wonderful table wine I've drank from cheap cafe glasses. Though I'm sure Riedel would like modest French cafes to spend more money on his stemware, too.)

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Wine and Plastic Cups: Not a Perfect Pairing

Here's the link to that article, StBernard -

http://www.gourmet.com/magazine/2000s/2004/08/shattered_myths

Very good article, too. I mean, seriously - they're using the tongue map as a guide to where to impact the wine's flavor? There's no such thing. I'm all for good wine glasses, and the shape will definitely impact the aromas and how you perceive the wine. I notice the way the tastings were set up really led people through it - she would set the expectations and people would taste what they were told they would.

It's like scented geraniums. Sure, that's a "pineapple" scented geranium... but if you didn't know that beforehand, you wouldn't place that scent as being pineapple.

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Wine and Plastic Cups: Not a Perfect Pairing

Ten years ago, I attended a similar Riedel tasting. I went in a complete sceptic and walked out a believer. Good glasses make wine taste better. Of course, so does good food, the right setting and having someone beautiful sitting across from you.

If you really like wine, you should consider what you drink it out of. Do I have a set of Riedel glasses? No. I check out the glasses at TJ Maxx and buy something good (Deb is correct about rolled edges), but cheap. That way, when I (or a friend) break them, I don't cry.

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Wine and Plastic Cups: Not a Perfect Pairing

@vinnyger: ROFL what a thread-closer...and for whatever reason I heard Pinky (Pinky & the Brain) say that.

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Wine and Plastic Cups: Not a Perfect Pairing

I was at a Riedel crystal seminar recently, and from the evidence I tasted I now do believe the finely designed and specialized glasses make a difference. Wine is an aesthetic experience. It's a luxury item. So it makes sense that the aesthetic experience is heightened by luxury glassware.

Do I have expensive wine glasses? Nope. Can't afford them! But I have the best I can reasonably afford, and I enjoy drinking from them more than the emergency banquet glasses in the back of the cupboard.

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Serious Cocktails: Pining for Pimm's

From the horse country of Virginia I would like to add that Pimms makes the scene at many a race and polo match, as it should, of course. I love to take a couple of bottles along for a full afternoon of races, and believe me everyone who stops by leaves smiling. My recipe involves making my own sour mix of simple syrup, lemon AND lime juices, then pouring in a bit of that for each drink, add the Pimms, top with soda water, stir with the cuke. YUM.
Will be trying out adding mint and strawberries soon, sounds wonderful.

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Serious Cocktails: Pining for Pimm's

I am a true Pimm's Cup devotee. I've only seen it on offer in one Indian restaurant I frequented on a business trip in downtown San Francisco. That was thirty years ago and I have long ago forgotten the name of the restaurant but not their food or drink. I wonder if anyone knows which establishment I am talking about. Seems in was down in a basement setting...
I ramble, over the years I have maintained my love affair whenever I would find Pimm's in our local state liquor store; a rare occasion (Seattle). From my perspective, it is more refreshing and appropriate for hot summer days than a Mint Julip. Now my southern ancestors are spinning in their graves.

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tanaya...the state liquor store at U-Village has Pimms.

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Serious Cocktails: Pining for Pimm's

The thought of Pimms and Creole Shrubb is quite intriguing. That could almost be a Serious Cocktails post in itself.

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Serious Cocktails: Pining for Pimm's

When I studied abroad in England, I used to drink this all the time! Anytime I see it in a liquor store in the US, I buy it! It taskes great with ginger ale and a squeeze of lemon juice.

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Serious Cocktails: Pining for Pimm's

Please tell me where I can get Pimms in Seattle. I've been looking everywhere!

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Here in the UK we now get Winter Pimms which is slightly spicy and you drink it with warm apple juice - all year round Pimms fun for all!

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Serious Cocktails: Pining for Pimm's

I don't care for the stuff myself, but the wife likes it.

A good dash of Pimm's, fizzy lemonade, chopped cucumber, lemon wedge, strawberries and mint leaves.

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Serious Cocktails: Pining for Pimm's

I tried introducing some Alaskans to Pimm's here two weeks ago - no dice. But it's amazing.

I also happen to love the Pimm's Royale - swap champagne in for the lemonade.

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Serious Cocktails: Pining for Pimm's

My mom loves a good classic Pimm's Cup, but I am more partial to a Porch Swing, a drink invented at Blue Smoke that I read about the recipe online.

The Porch Swing:
1/2 oz. Hendrick's gin
1/2 oz. Pimm's No. 1
4 oz. homemade lemonade
Add a splash of 7-Up
Finish with finely sliced half-moon cucumbers

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