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The Great Baking Chocolate Debate
Very well done! Cook's Illustrated did a very similar test under scientific testing rules and came to a similar conclusion. This is the last paragragh in their review: What do we recommend? The more expensive chocolates--Scharffen Berger, Callebaut, Ghirardelli, and Valrhona -- were all well liked and received similar scores. If you are willing to buy in bulk by mail, Callebaut turns out to be a best buy. Of the three mass-market brands (Nestle, Baker's, and Hershey's), Nestle received more positive comments and significantly higher scores. In fact, there were so many negative comments about Baker's and Hershey's that we cannot recommend either chocolate. It's important to remember, though, that chocolate, much like coffee, is a matter of personal preference, so consider each brand in order to find a chocolate that suits your palate. The gamut of flavors runs from "nutty" and "cherry" to "smoky," "earthy," and "spicy."
The Great Baking Chocolate Debate
Ree, you absolutely make my day! i enjoy your blogs, and love your recipes; i will have to send you my "best cake brownies" recipe...they have an entire can of 16 oz hershey's chocolate syrup in them....mmmmm.
one of the things i love most about you...your love for that marlboro man and your kiddos...so refreshing!
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I love, love, love Guittard chocolate for baking, especially their semi-sweet. If ya wanna get all fancy order their semi sweet, milk and bittersweet and experiment with mixing them. Sooo good! It is slightly less expensive than SB ($12 per lb) and the flavor in my opinion is superior.
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I use ground unsweetened cocoa, usually Droste if I have it, or Hershey's in a pinch. Then add extra oil to make up for the dry cocoa. Sometimes I use walnut oil, or toasted walnut grapeseed oil. That gives the brownies an extra nutty flavor. Beating the butter and sugar well helps give the glossy, cracked top that some people like.
Slightly underbaking keeps brownies chewy. Bake till the sides slightly pull away from the pan and the center is still a bit soft. Not really soft. You don't want uncooked batter. Ick.
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For pure chocolate flavor, I like Valrhona chocolate. But my preferred baking chocolate is Scharffen Berger, because of it's amazing chocolate taste and fruitiness. I'm a little biased because I'm from San Francisco and Scharffen Berger is in Berkeley.
Every 6 months, I buy a 2.2 kg box of Scharffen Berger bittersweet chocolate. It's a little cheaper buying in bulk and the chocolate is in approx. 1 oz pieces. I highly recommend taking their chocolate factory tour, if you are in the Bay Area.
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I have to go make brownies now!
Ree, your readers will follow you anywhere! An excellent write up on your experiment and made even better by your bizarre middle child humor.
Thanks for letting us know when you add your insight on other sites!
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Mmmm! I love brownies.
But I have to point out that the fancy baking chocolate you used is dark chocolate and well, being a fan of dark chocolate no other kind of chocolate stands a chance against the dark. And I always use dark in my baking.
I think I'll go home and bake something!
Good to see you here Ree.
The Great Baking Chocolate Debate
"The Ross Perot of Brownies."
heh heh.
The Great Baking Chocolate Debate
Cool. I've now determined that you can write about any topic in an entertaining way. I think someone could ask you to write on a labor and delivery blog about the joys of the episiotomy and you would probably have us rolling in our desk chairs with laughter. And now that I said the "e" word on a food blog, I think I may have just sealed my fate -- I will probably soon be banned.
I have no doubt the super good baker's chocolate would be better... but sheesh. How much money do I have to spend on a sinful (no matter how cheap it is) treat that will soon make its way through my digestive system and land directly on my tush? I'm thinking I probably wouldn't want to make a regular practice of it at all for the sake of my tush... but especially not if I'm going to have to sell my cows in order to do it.
Now if I'm going out to eat, that's another thing... or if I'm receiving it as a gift from the neighbor or if I am being involved in a highly publicized taste test... well, I'd prefer the higher quality any day! Okay... and I guess if I was having someone super dooper special over for dinner... I might go for the gold (and hock all of mine) and get the expensive stuff.
Thanks for the read Ree. You know you are someone's dedicated fan when you join a new website just to make a silly rambling comment...
:^D
The Great Baking Chocolate Debate
Cool scientific experiment! For brownies I prefer using cocoa and deepening the chocolate taste with a bit of coffee. I use Hershey's or whatever brand is available. Same for chocolate cake too.
(My husband thinks that I'm a mean baker - I scrape down the mixer and bowl to get everything in the pan)
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I totally agree with Kater.. I too live in a small southern town without a lot of access to fancy schmancy chocolates (and a whole lot of canned and boxed foods!) I do try to get as creative and fresh as possible... but shopping at the piggly wiggly it ain't always possible. My husband is so picky as well that, he'd probably only eat the betty crocker! And absolutely there is no shame in enjoying what you cook with what you have! Necessity is after all the mother of invention... and she's gotta be down here!!
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We live in a small Southern town and we too have limited access to specialty chocolates, so I love that you did this taste test! I managed to get my hands on some Scharffen Berger ($15 for that tiny 9 oz box!) and my family actually despised it....said it tasted almost "flowery" and "odd", but then again, we all unashamedly prefer the boxed off-brand brownies. No food snobs here!
I remember being appalled at the comments to your lasagna post, some people don't realize that people in small towns have NO OTHER choice but to use the processed boxed and canned stuff. There are no whole foods or gourmet food stores where I live...the closest one is about 8 hours away. We make do with what we have. There's no shame in that or enjoying what we make with what we can get.
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Great post Ree! I love anything to do with food and being a loyal reader of your's, I followed you here! I'm in heaven! Two of my favorite things - food and Ree. I'm happy.
p.s. My hubby said to me last night, "I love you when you're cookin'." Sound familiar??
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How about the powdered cocoa debate? Dutch processed or regular?
I say Dutch!
Thanks for figuring this all out for us, Ree! Brownies are one of those foods that people definitely take seriously. Although, how did you ever make it through baking 3 pans of them and NOT eat them all yourself?
The Great Baking Chocolate Debate
This is so ironic! I just made a batch of brownies tonight using Sharffen Berger chocolate and then I find this post. I hate to admit it, but I am usually a box brownie girl. They take no time to make and the kids love them. When I do make them from scratch, I use Ina Garten's recipe. Those are great! I saw a nice recipe in my new Cook's Illustrated today and decided to give it a try. I'm sorry to say, I tossed them out. I don't know why, but I didn't care for them at all. They just didn't have a rich chocolate taste even though I followed the recipe exactly. Maybe it was the recipe. Needless to say, I was pretty disappointed! I really enjoyed your post, though.
The Great Baking Chocolate Debate
I'm just relieved that Betty crocker did not win. We used to use Baker's chocolate in our bakery back in the Philippines but there's a bit of harshness in the finish. Scharffen berger definitely gives a smoother chocolatey finish! I'm embarking on a brownie experiment myself based on the recipes I got attending Alice Medrich's class using different percentages of chocolates. I love playing with chocolate!
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Nice to meet you, Ree! I definitely deviate from this brownie debate because my recipe uses cocoa... but wait, are there differences in that too?
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Ree, I love your blog and am happy to see you blogging here too! You have a great way of presenting your recipes and thoughts!
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I'm with watchforbears. I can tell from the pics that I'd prefer the Betty Crocker brownies. Brownies should be chewy otherwise they're just cake.
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Awesome! But FORGET about brownies, what a little cutie. LOOK at those blue eyes :-)
The Great Baking Chocolate Debate
So glad to see you here! The "Marlboro Man's Favorite Sandwich' is one of my husband's most requested meals these days. He tends to look at food as fuel so anything that gets him to actually notice what he's eating is a major plus.
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Fantastic research Ree! Big fan of pioneerwomancooks! here, so came across to see your very first post here - congratulations :) And in doing so, I've now discovered this site - thanks!!!
I'm looking forward to creating my own batch of experimental brownies with different chocolate, since I found some couverture Lindt chocolate at a foodie store last month. (I usually just use a dark chocolate bar for eating - usually a piece goes missing... )
Anyway, looking forward to seeing your future posts :)
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I make the nestle one bowl brownies with butter, organic sugar and fresh chopped walnuts (double the amount listed). Served the same day you make them, I've had picky men weep with joy.
So, while I'm sure expensive is even nicer, as long as I can get my nestles, I'm a pretty happy gal.
(I'd wondered about Bakers and now, thanks to you, I'll wonder no more!)
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Ree's mom here...thanking Ree for the double/triple blind research! I sometimes buy Ghiradelli if it's conveniently on the grocery shelf; after this post, I will be more intentional to find one of the top notch ones. BTW, I recently watched Ina Garten stir up brownies and believe they are very similar to the recipe PW used here? Bon appetit, all you chocoholics!
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Ree, remember me? It was not the grated cheese food product I thought was "different" it was the breakfast sausage and the cottage cheese. (covering my mouth so I do not scream out loud) I promised myself this year I would stop being a huge food snob and just be a quiet one. I am italian and things like that make me crazy. Aside of that I want to welcome you to SE and assure you that we agree to disagree often.
I use Nick Malgieri's supernatural brownies http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/11/dining/111brex.html?_r=1&oref=slogin,
and Ina's outrageous recipe http://www.foodnetwork.com/food/recipes/recipe/0,,FOOD_9936_23629,00.html.
As for chocolate I use what I have which can be Scharffen Berger, Callebaut, Ghirardelli, Valrhona or Trader Joe's. My brownies are famous for their addictive quality and that is solely from the intensity of the chocolate.
I will give you a meme and props (as I did on your blog) for your cinnamon roll recipe. The dough part of the recipe was the dough recipe I have been looking for forever. It was easy, it was forgiving and it worshipped the icing recipe I used which had cream cheese. I did do a different filling with brown sugar. The dough was magnificent and I recommend that everyone try your recipe for cinnamon rolls regardless of what you fill them with or ice them with.
As for the lasagne I say make my recipe for Marlboro man as The King (my husband) says it the best he has ever had.
The Great Baking Chocolate Debate
I loved this writeup, I've done a similar experiement with Betty Crocker vs grocery store Bakers chocolate vs Super Fancy Expensive baking chocolate. I was actually surprised to find the Betty Crocker one won out with the tasters
I had convinced to try (yeah like that was hard!). The super expensive fancy bakers chocolate won out over the grocery store Bakers chocolate though. Hands down even. I was surprised to see how flat flavored the Bakers chocolate brownies were. Disappointing since I grew up on them and thought, growing up, that they were fabulous! Ah well, time cures all :-)
The lasagna article made me grin like an idiot to find out that someone else uses kraft grated cheese too. I use it differently in my lasagna recipe, but it's the best product for the use (I mix it with ricotta and egg and parsley and oregano and garlic and spices for the cheese soft layer) that I've found. I've even tried using fresh and grating it myself and each time I've tried, my tasters have stated unequivocally that they like the version with the kraft grated better (or as they say 'Your USUAL delicious lasagna! Why mess with perfection!'). *shrug* Different cheeses for different strokes I guess!
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Very well done! Cook's Illustrated did a very similar test under scientific testing rules and came to a similar conclusion. This is the last paragragh in their review: What do we recommend? The more expensive chocolates--Scharffen Berger, Callebaut, Ghirardelli, and Valrhona -- were all well liked and received similar scores. If you are willing to buy in bulk by mail, Callebaut turns out to be a best buy. Of the three mass-market brands (Nestle, Baker's, and Hershey's), Nestle received more positive comments and significantly higher scores. In fact, there were so many negative comments about Baker's and Hershey's that we cannot recommend either chocolate. It's important to remember, though, that chocolate, much like coffee, is a matter of personal preference, so consider each brand in order to find a chocolate that suits your palate. The gamut of flavors runs from "nutty" and "cherry" to "smoky," "earthy," and "spicy."