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Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

Haven't tried the burgers yet. But the guys from the Trib is Kevin Pang, not Kevin Pan.

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Early Returns on New Dining Survey Not So Favorable

"While some of the people on the list are high income earners, there are also those who do not make a lot of money but who save in order to take two or three trips a year for the purpose of dining." And in the rating system you use, their opinions wouldn't carry a lot of weight because they can't rate as many restaurants as others do. There may be merits to the system you've come up with, but it does inherently favor the opinions of wealthy people who can afford to eat regularly at expensive restaurants, and it seems to me that the resulting guide is also aimed at them, for better or for worse.

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Early Returns on New Dining Survey Not So Favorable

I have, in fact, read the book (not cover to cover, but I've looked at it pretty closely), and if you can point out any inaccurate statements I've made I'll be happy to correct them. Out of the top 50 North American restaurants in the book, 32 are either in California or New York state, 15 of them in NYC. Seven are located somewhere besides the east or west coast, two of those in the midwest.

As far my notion of who the book is directed at, it's taken directly from the cover, which says it's "the ultimate guide for destination diners." In your intro, you define this as "someone who plans weekends and vacation travel around dining out." I didn't say there's anything wrong with that--it makes sense to me, actually--but it does take money, especially to eat at the kinds of places listed in the guide. And while experience with fine dining might be necessary to be an authority on high-end restaurants, I'm not convinced that experience alone necessarily makes one an expert.

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Early Returns on New Dining Survey Not So Favorable

My criticism of the Opinionated About Dining guide is mostly based on the probability that most readers of Plotnicki's blog live in New York, which would bias the data toward that city. I know that he solicited responses from around the country and that many of his respondents travel a lot, but if a high percentage of the reviews came from New Yorkers it would probably cause New York restaurants to rank higher than they would otherwise. I'm not saying that New York doesn't have a lot of great restaurants, or even that more Chicago places should have been on the list, just that the survey may be flawed.

The issue of Plotnicki not dining out anonymously is tangential in a way--as others have pointed out, his opinions aren't the only ones in the guide. But again, if a lot of the respondents are fans of his blog, they're likely to agree with his philosophy on dining out and apply it themselves, at least if they have the necessary clout. Which is nice for them, but makes their dining experience less typical of what most diners can expect, whether or not they "communicate to the restaurant that [they] want their A game and not their B game." Everyone wants that, don't they? But not everyone has the connections, cash, arrogance, or whatever else it takes to ensure they'll get it. Of course, the guide is specifically aimed at "destination diners," or people with enough money to plan their travels around fine dining. Maybe Plotnicki should retitle it "The Rich New Yorker's Guide to Dining in the U.S. and Europe" just to make it clear who should read it.

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From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

Haven't tried the burgers yet. But the guys from the Trib is Kevin Pang, not Kevin Pan.

From Serious Eats

Early Returns on New Dining Survey Not So Favorable

"While some of the people on the list are high income earners, there are also those who do not make a lot of money but who save in order to take two or three trips a year for the purpose of dining." And in the rating system you use, their opinions wouldn't carry a lot of weight because they can't rate as many restaurants as others do. There may be merits to the system you've come up with, but it does inherently favor the opinions of wealthy people who can afford to eat regularly at expensive restaurants, and it seems to me that the resulting guide is also aimed at them, for better or for worse.

From Serious Eats

Early Returns on New Dining Survey Not So Favorable

I have, in fact, read the book (not cover to cover, but I've looked at it pretty closely), and if you can point out any inaccurate statements I've made I'll be happy to correct them. Out of the top 50 North American restaurants in the book, 32 are either in California or New York state, 15 of them in NYC. Seven are located somewhere besides the east or west coast, two of those in the midwest.

As far my notion of who the book is directed at, it's taken directly from the cover, which says it's "the ultimate guide for destination diners." In your intro, you define this as "someone who plans weekends and vacation travel around dining out." I didn't say there's anything wrong with that--it makes sense to me, actually--but it does take money, especially to eat at the kinds of places listed in the guide. And while experience with fine dining might be necessary to be an authority on high-end restaurants, I'm not convinced that experience alone necessarily makes one an expert.

From Serious Eats

Early Returns on New Dining Survey Not So Favorable

My criticism of the Opinionated About Dining guide is mostly based on the probability that most readers of Plotnicki's blog live in New York, which would bias the data toward that city. I know that he solicited responses from around the country and that many of his respondents travel a lot, but if a high percentage of the reviews came from New Yorkers it would probably cause New York restaurants to rank higher than they would otherwise. I'm not saying that New York doesn't have a lot of great restaurants, or even that more Chicago places should have been on the list, just that the survey may be flawed.

The issue of Plotnicki not dining out anonymously is tangential in a way--as others have pointed out, his opinions aren't the only ones in the guide. But again, if a lot of the respondents are fans of his blog, they're likely to agree with his philosophy on dining out and apply it themselves, at least if they have the necessary clout. Which is nice for them, but makes their dining experience less typical of what most diners can expect, whether or not they "communicate to the restaurant that [they] want their A game and not their B game." Everyone wants that, don't they? But not everyone has the connections, cash, arrogance, or whatever else it takes to ensure they'll get it. Of course, the guide is specifically aimed at "destination diners," or people with enough money to plan their travels around fine dining. Maybe Plotnicki should retitle it "The Rich New Yorker's Guide to Dining in the U.S. and Europe" just to make it clear who should read it.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

The fries are wayyyy overrated! They must not cook them twice, or rinse them or soak them or neither. The fries are too starchy (and barely crisp) an end result. The burgers are very good though; bun has good density.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

try burger 'n que's 1/2 pound cheeseburger in orland park--it beats them all

From Serious Eats

Early Returns on New Dining Survey Not So Favorable

I suspect that most of the restaurants in this booklet don't have what any statistician or social scientist would call a valid sample. Yet even if they did, so what? Restaurants can't be grasped and retained like a work of literature or art, and are too dynamic and subjected to economic tides and the personalities of those who own them. Truly one man's meat is another man's poison and there is no accounting for taste (to invoke two metaphors or cliches). Also, as I have written on boards before, restaurants almost always get worse. (More so than ever these days.) In the end, every food lover must become, and eventually does become, his own critic.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

I rate the place exactly as you do. The cooked in peanut oil fries were fantastic, the burger was rather mundane. Free peanuts were a nice touch, but kinda kill the appetite.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

@toad3000:
I completely agree about never writing off an establishment on opening day...that's why, if you read the rest of what I wrote, I went back again about 2 weeks later and had the EXACT SAME EXPERIENCE. Some of the things that I had a problem with really should have no bearing on when I went...the quality of the ingredients like buns and cheese are not going to change and should have been INCREDIBLY fresh on opening day. They should never be more fresh than when I went the first time. Those were two of the biggest problems for me. Gummy buns and cheese that tasted worse than what they use at McDonalds is not going to win any points. And they were the exact same the second time, which tells me that there's no reason to expect that they'll be any different in the future.

But the other things like getting an order wrong, possibly seasoning the meat wrong and cooking it poorly...I can understand that being done on opening day. So I went back and tried again...and it was all the same. Almost exactly. Should I try again and expect it to be different? Possibly, but why when there were so many other things that I didn't like about the place. There are too many good burger places in town, why waste time going back again and again that I've already been to twice and have not enjoyed?

And my biggest complaint was the price. So, if I have now waited a couple of months and go back again, do you think the price will have dropped by 1/3 to be more in line with the quality? I'm fairly sure it won't.

But thanks for the "rocket science" comment. I think I really gave them a fair shot. I didn't just go on opening day and then bash them. I went twice, had two OK experiences, but nothing that I feel that I need to have again. After all of the hype I've read about the place, I was quite disappointed. And I was blown away by the price! Thanks for trying.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

@bwbollom:
You should never write off an eating establishment if you went there on opening day. Better yet, you should never GO to an eating establishment on opening day. That's just asking to be a "learning experience" for the new staff members.
@Rodrene:
You should travel less. Or at least, stop eating at airports. ;-) Go to an actual, established location outside of the airport to get the true experience.

This isn't rocket science, people.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

I had my first 5 Guys burger at the DC airport a few week ago. It was mediocre. Neither the burger nor the fries compared to In-n-Out, not to mention the 10 other places in LA, SF, and Chicago that are better than In-n-Out. You all should travel more.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

Robyn,

Agreed very good fries, but it may very well be the most overrated burger in the country. When I still want to fix my burger "Jones" I will head over to the Shake Shack and get a couple of Shack Burgers.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

@hungryone, you're absolutely delusional. Just in 5 Guys' own native DC/NoVA region, the burger at RAY'S HELL-BURGER is utterly sublime, cooked to order rather than burnt, (even if not always perfectly accurately), deliciously-seasoned, juicy and 10 whole ounces of ground-on-premises top quality prime beef for a price of $7.

And they have REAL cheese, not that flavorless processed american cheese crap. You need to get out more.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

I never understood the Five Guys burger madness--there are many other fast food burgers I prefer. You're right about the fries, though--awesome.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

AMEN!! Their fries are THE BEST!! I have a Five Guys within walking distance of my house ... I seriously could eat their cajun fries every night!
I agree the burgers are really good, but not the best I've ever tasted.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

Robyn --

FYI, you (and anyone in the metro St. Louis area) should know that Five Guys has opened in scenic Chesterfield, Missouri (just west of St. Louis). I can verify that the LCB (little cheeseburger) is every bit as tasty as in Alexandria, VA, the toppings are as assorted and fresh, an extra handful of fries comes in the bag, and the box of peanuts is readily available while you wait. I advise going for the cajun fries over the regular, thought. My only complaint is that the root beer choice is caffeinated Mug (I prefer A&W, which is decaf, or local brand Fitz's in the bottle).

I know that Adam hails from K.C., MO and he keeps threatening to road trip to St. Louis when he is visiting the parental units to partake of assorted local burger joints on the east side of the state. (@lemons can confirm our wide selection of choices and high quality!) Please tell him that Five Guys needs to go on the list if he has not made it to one out there . . .

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

Five Guys is has the best price to quality burger you can get. Period.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

These reviews baffle me. I have always felt that relative to other burger places, Five Guys burgers are the stand-outs, while the fries are good, but not great.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

I LOOOOOOVE 5 Guys!!! Best burger of my life there recently. Small cheeseburger with the works. Excellent fries too!

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

I tried Five Guys at the Dulles Airport in DC, needless to say that was the highlight of the trip :) and the terra chips of Jetblue of course..

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

The burgers I've had in N.J. are very good. Well done, but juicy and flavorful. The fries are as good as any I've had. Maybe some franchises are better than others?

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

Oh. My. Gosh.
My husband and I are HUGE Five Guys fans - we've been eating there forever! In fact, one of our first dates was to the Five Guys in Woodbridge, VA. Earlier this year, on a family trip (we're now married with two kids :D) to Alabama, we happened across one in a shopping center, and it was the same bliss we remembered : peanuts, baggies full of fries with the superfluous cup, and greasy burgers.
Ahh, heaven, thy name is Five Guys Burgers and Fries.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

What is there to eat in Kingston, where i live? From Friendly's to McD to BK to Starbuck's to Taco Bell to Red Lobster to Texas Road House, there is very little "real" food here. So I love 5 Guys and consider it a special, above-average place. Of course, my daughter finds it boring in comparison to the other places, but I think the burger quality (2 patties with the works for me) is really good.

If I lived across the street from the Shake Shack, I'd never touch the stuff.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

I gotta say...I kind of had the exact opposite reaction to their burgers and fries. The burger I had was juicy, tasty, smoky and delicious. The fries...they weren't bad, but I don't see what all the fuss is about. They're pretty standard to me.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

From Pang's article: "But what Five Guys has going for it are the remarkable french fries (regular size, $2.59—and, oh, named "Best '08 by Capital Region Living Magazine!")."

I can't believe they're using the rating from an Albany, NY (aka Smalbany) publication. It's not really saying that much. I don't know what other fries we would have voted for here...McDonald's?

I was never impressed by In n Out, but, oh, how I love Five Guys burgers - cheese and catsup only, for me.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

Five Guys is essentially In 'N' Out with better french fries for twice the price. Don't think that the fries can make up for the price differential. They are fortunate that there are no In 'N' Outs in their neck of the woods. Would seriously impact their business.

From A Hamburger Today

Five Guys' Fries Make Me Weep with Happiness, Burger Is Not Bad

I'm glad I've resisted walking into this place. I simply can't get past the prices here! $6.95 for a cheeseburger??? Come on.

I'd rather go to Shake Shack and get a Shake Burger there for $4.75.

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