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Starbucks Breakfast: Doomed from the Get Go
Has anyone ever looked at the nutritional info on their other sandwiches? Pretty scary stuff. I didn't know a turkey sandwhich could be so unhealthy.
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How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
$5, as a general rule. More if it's really bad weather - or they have a lot to carry. Less if they take to long or if they have spilled something.
Starbucks Breakfast: Doomed from the Get Go
Has anyone ever looked at the nutritional info on their other sandwiches? Pretty scary stuff. I didn't know a turkey sandwhich could be so unhealthy.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
So... Megnut... you criticize $5 as being "okay" for a $10 order, but not enough for a $25 order. Instead, you suggest always paying 20%.
Little bit of math for you:
$5 on a $10 order = 50% (WAY more than you would give)
$5 on a $25 order = 20% (What you claim you would give, but if it's Greg ordering, this is, by your own account, too little.)
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
I'm usually a 15-20% tipper--more in the winter here when there is serious lake effect snow going on. But this thread got me thinking about an essay from NPR's series "This I Believe." The essay is "Be Cool to the Pizza Delivery Dude." Here's the link:
http://www.thisibelieve.org/dsp_ShowEssay.php?uid=23&lastname=Adams&firstname=Sarah&yval=0&start=0
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
I tip $5+. Weather, amount of food, ETA/actual time, and distance determines how much more I'll give on top of that.
Some restaurants here do not pay for their driver's gasoline, so they rely on tips to pay for gas.
The menu prices here are not different for delivery, although some places have a $10 delivery fee that they tack on. I still tip on top of that.
Then again, I tip 10% for take-out that I'm picking up.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
I deliver food by bike in NYC. I am paid $5/ hr and am uninsured. I spend over 40 hours a week in the midst of city traffic, enduring bad weather, bike breakdowns and theft, collisions, slow elevators and, oddly, pedestrians who love to leap in front of me when I have the right of way. I am always happy to arrive at your place safely and with your food hot and intact. But too often, I leave feeling like shit because you treated me like I'm not even human. You don't look at me, you make me wait, complain about delays after I rode over in a sleet storm, etc. But worst of all, your bad tips show complete disrespect for the service we provide. When ordering, think about putting on your shoes and coat and schlepping to the shop and back, and consider how much more it's worth to you to stay in. If it's not worth at least 15% of the cost of the meal, put your shoes on. In NYC, $2 and change just doesn't cut it anymore. To be honest, it's humiliating. Shame on you. And yes, we know who you are, and every restaurant has a blacklist, as well as a bunch of known favorites who get preferred service.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
ok I have lived in many states and yes I agree tipping is different in different places. I live in Oklahoma now and tip 2 or 3 bucks as only one place (pizza) delivers and so my bill is always cheap, plus cost of living is MUCH lower then living on the east coast. I moved from Delaware and the avg tip was 3-5 dollars as it is more expensive to live there so I think more cash is better. New York starts about 5 bucks for the same reason. St louis was usually 3-5 due to cost of living as well. Man I gotta stop moving :)
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
Ok, so the fact that most these folks have to pay for their own gas and insurance doesn't factor into the tip?
Starbucks Breakfast: Doomed from the Get Go
dhathaway wrote:
"This is hands down, one of the dumbest articles I have EVER read. If you want to be serious about what you eat, you are NOT going to go to Starbucks."
I think you more or less hit the nail on the head. If you wanted good food, you would not go to Starbucks. If you wanted absolute, top of the line, gourmet coffee, you would not go to Starbucks, you would go to some indy specialty cafe. Their baked goods are also nothing special at all, boring, and quite mundane.
However, Starbucks are literally everywhere, which makes them very convenient to patronize, and their coffee is strong, fairly consistent, and overall, pretty darn good. I drink my coffee black, so I need something decent tasting.
Starbucks Breakfast: Doomed from the Get Go
I'm not sure where I fit in as a Stabucks customer. In a perfect world, where I had lots of time, I doubt I would ever set foot in a Starbucks. I prefer making good coffee at home and I rarely drink coffee after 3:00pm.
Yes, you can get better coffee, but Starbucks is predictable and extremely convenient to my work office. Their "Frankenfood Egg Sandwiches" are pretty terrible, but guess what? They are also very convenient for people on the move and quickly get some grease, calories and sodium into your system. I think there are basically two types of Starbucks customers, corporate slaves like me, who just need a strong coffee fix during the day, don't care too much about the prices, don't care that "Mo's Coffee has ten times better coffee," but it is 12 blocks away, and just care about speed, caffeine, and convenience.
The other type Starbucks customer, seems to have all the time in the world, they sit there, read papers, play with laptops, chat with friends, etc..
My guess is there reasons for patronizing Starbucks is much the same though, convenience and predictability.
Starbucks Breakfast: Doomed from the Get Go
This is hands down, one of the dumbest articles I have EVER read. If you want to be serious about what you eat, you are NOT going to go to Starbucks. Of course their quality is not good! Their coffee is great because it's convenient and quick, not because it's quality. Find something better to criticize. Criticizing ANYTHING at Starbucks is like shooting fish in a barrel.
Starbucks Breakfast: Doomed from the Get Go
PS. They dont as sh1ty as it does in that pic above.
Starbucks Breakfast: Doomed from the Get Go
I live in Vancouver BC Canada. The Starbucks down the raod is selling the breakfast sandwiches. I *Love* it. There is another place where i go in the morning "Tim Hortons" (Canadian icon) to get a quick bit to eat + a coffee. I can say now, the Starbucks breakfast sandwiches OWN. There are hands down the best. Im hooked.
Starbucks Breakfast: Doomed from the Get Go
The best I can tell, the people dissing the Starbucks breakfast sandwiches have not actually eaten one. I had my first in Philadelphia last weekend. It was really good. It was not an Egg McMuffin (which I appreciate for being the healthiest widely available breakfast sandwich, but the spongy muffin and American "cheese" are far from good). I had the ham, egg and cheese version. The Black Forest ham and cheddar cheese were both really good, as was the slightly oversized English muffin. There was nothing special about the egg part, but neither was their anything objectionable about it. It was by far the best breakfast fast food offering I've ever had of the bread/egg/meat/cheese variety.
The people who complain about appearance of the sandwiches remind me of the time a friend of mine was invited to judge the baked goods competition at the state fair. A number of the people on the panel with her wanted to hand out ribbons based on appearance alone without actually tasting the baked goods. Same concept.
Starbucks was in need of more non-sweet breakfast selections. They hit this one out of the ball park. I can't wait until they're in all locations.
Frankly, I'd be happy not to run into any of the grousers in Starbucks.
Starbucks Breakfast: Doomed from the Get Go
Despite this review, the general concensus of these sandwiches seems to be pretty popular. Living in Wisconsin, I have yet to try one, but several forums say the things are pretty good. And yes...even worth the money.
I find this new sandwich thing a pretty big plus in the Starbucks consumer world. While Starbucks will always be known for it's coffee, having them offer a little variety is nice. We all love convenience. And this is very convenient.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
I suppose it would be helpful if I mentioned that these rules of thumb are specific to New York City, where deliveries are made by foot or bicycle.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
Fascinating thread. I know it's caused me to re-evaluate how I'll be calculating my delivery tips.
I think that perhaps a hybrid approach to tipping may work well. Strictly tipping based on the total bill doesn't take into account things like distance, weather, or promptness. Tipping a flat fee doesn't take into account the bulk, weight, or complexity of the order. How about:
10% of the total bill
+$1 for every one long block or three city blocks
+$2 if it's raining or snowing
+$2 if it's raining or snowing hard
-$5 if they're absurdly late, and it's not raining or snowing hard
-$2 if common areas have been littered with menus in the past
I won't deduct from the tip if items are missing, but I will make them go back for it, even if it's just a soda.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
I think 20% is a good baseline. My father worked on a case involving a pay dispute with Chinese takeout workers, and their pay is incredibly bad. Many of them get no base pay, and any returned orders (because it is wrong/broken, etc) are taken out of their money. Also, they have to pay the restaurant what the restaurant is owed out of what you give them (if you watch in NY -- you can see the delivery people paying the cashier before they take the orders), and even if you assume each order takes 15 minutes to and from, then that's only 4 orders/hour. If each person gave $3, that would be $12/hour, before the problems of people who can't find the right change, who try to send the food back etc. There's also no overtime, and in other cities (SF etc) where deliveries are made by car parking tickets are the responsibility of the server, which can often be hudnreds of dollars.
I don't feel liberal guilt. I don't think that I'm priviliged etc etc to get food delivery--to me, a job is a job. And you get paid to do your job. And honestly, often, I can't afford the tip, so I eat my canned soup or I go walk the three blocks to pick up my $4.50 stir-fry. But often you are their only paycheck, and so you should pay up.
I also think that restaurants should state a delivery charge. But they should also provide insurance, so good luck with that.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
For those who do not live in NYC or in a major city, we don't do major tipping. I know what your thinking but why? Ok I will tell you. I live in Bumbleep egypt. Drivers for the 3 places that deliver here make a min of &10.00 an hour plus tips. During the gas insanity earlier this year the local yocal pizza joint was also paying for one tank of gas per shift. The guy who owns it drives a Humvee and has a heart of gold. My fav pizza place doesn't deliver. It is five mins away so we make the trip.
How much do I tip? 2.00 for orders under 20.00 and 3.00 for orders over 20.00. Again I remind you we have 3 delivery places in 10 miles (Local Pizza Emporium, Dominos and Old Standby always open local pizza joint) and they usually bundle deliveries for the driver. When you call hey say 45-60 mins. This means they are taking all the orders for my area and consolidating them.
I am pea green with envy about the quality and assortment of take out those in NYC can have at the ready by just picking up a phone. So maybe you should tip bigger. But here in God's country we have very little assortment, the drivers get paid well and are happy for the 2.00.
This topic is all about location. Our chinese joint doesn't even make eggplant. When I asked for it they said no one eats that here. I had never been to a chinese restaurant that did not make some kind of eggplant. We are talking out in the woods.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
I tend to use 20% as a baseline. Sure, the person isn't delivering plates to my table, but really, the person's delivering plates to my house. They're not refilling my glasses, but they're making sure everything gets there together and that it's the right temperature. I figure I'm paying for the convenience of someone else going to get the food for me, and if I don't want to pay for it, then I go and do pick-up, not delivery. Of course, the 20% is also variable based on quality of service and difficulty of conditions. Interestingly, I've been at a couple large parties where we ordered so much food I found I did have an upper limit -- about $50.
Also, megnut's got a good point. I've not worked in the restaurant industry, but I grew up in Vegas, and you learn a thing or two about minimum wage and living off tips there.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
Meg - very well said - hell deliverypeople in NYC are literally the bottom of the food chain. In my section of Brooklyn the vast majority of deliverypeople are newly arrived immigrants. I worked in food service years ago and I know how it feels to be treated like chattel property. So I tip generously to these folks because I know they need it and truly appreciate it. And schlepping food around in cold or foul weather on a bike, up and down hills, is no joke.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
what difference does it make to your delivery guy what the total amount of your bill was
Well depending on how much the difference is, it could mean he's carrying more stuff, heavier stuff, more of a pain, more packages, etc.
I am in NYC, and I guess I feel like it's a real privilege to sit on my lazy ass watching TV and have someone bring me food to my door. Someone who's probably making minimum wage, (who knows, maybe even less if he's illegal and delivering for a sketchy place, many restaurants underpay their kitchen staff, so I've assumed the same could be true for delivery people) busting his hump to get me my food while it's still hot, often when it's too cold or rainy for me to be bothered to go out my door to get something to eat. And I guess I feel like that warrants an extra dollar or two from my wallet when he gets it to me in a timely fashion. I'm not advocating Rockefeller-esque, slip-the-guy-a-$20 tips.
I will admit I'm a bit tipper though, I think that comes from working in the restaurant industry. When you see the hours people put in, both in the kitchen and as servers, when you realize that most people don't make anything close to a living wage for the amount they labor (yeah, tips are great when you're a server, but you're making $3 an hour, so if you're not at a high-end place, or you're not pulling the good shifts, you're not making much...), and you realize most people can't even afford health insurance, well, let me just say: it makes me more generous when I eat out.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
Megnut, are you in NYC? I think for those of us who are, there is a little different delivery/price thing going on. I tip same as Sandro round up plus $2 except I'll add a couple more for bad weather. 99% of the time I'm getting delivery, the guy is walking no more than 3 blocks to deliver it, and the bill is no more than $20.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
Did I mention my name's not Rockefeller over here? megnut, what difference does it make to your delivery guy what the total amount of your bill was? Whether it's $5 or $50, he's humping your bag, a bag, to your door. Therefore, for the same task each time, he gets the same tipping Code. "Man needs a Code." -Omar Little A waiter in a restaurant, by contrast, operates by different rules of convention and theoretically works more on a bigger check than on a smaller check, so he gets a bigger gross amount as the check goes up. You give your delivery guy a $5 tip on a $10 check, and go up from there?? Must be nice...
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
Bad weather is the only thing that gets more than just a simple round-up from me. 20%? what for? half the time the delivery menu has a markup anyway.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
Perhaps I was too hasty with the general "$5 is crazy" response. I assumed you meant $5 as a rule, no matter what your ordered. That seems crazy. But if your total bill is $10 or $15, $5 isn't crazy. If your bill is $25 or $30, then I do think it's too little.
$3 seems really crazy to me, especially as a rule. It seems really low.
How much do you tip the person who delivers your food?
There's no comparison to a waiter in a restaurant, in my view, so just throw that out a window as any kind of barometer. I don't do percentages on these guys - they brought the food up, thanks for that. There's almost no verbal give-and-take with a delivery guy, so I don't overthink it because they don't get much from me, period. My method is to round up the total bill by no more than $3. E.g., if the check is $21.18, I give him $24; if the check is $20.76, I give him $23. On top of that, you must develop the stones to ask for odd, even measly amounts back as change in order to follow your tipping Code: e.g., if the check is $26.44, he's getting $29 and I have no prob. asking for that last $1 back if I have $30 to pay with. (One exception: exceptionally rough delivery weather like heavy rain or snow will typically get an extra $1 out of me, but it's still got to be a figure with a 4 in front.)
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$5, as a general rule. More if it's really bad weather - or they have a lot to carry. Less if they take to long or if they have spilled something.