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Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
Ed-Greenfield brings up a strong point. Obviously your friendship with Ms. Charles is creating a bias in your writings on this subject. Let me ask you a question, clearly you reached out to Ms. Charles while writing these articles given the quotes that were not in the NYTimes article. However, you don't make it clear if you reached out to Mr. McFarland? So I'm going to ask, did you? Did you talk to him while you ate at his restaurant yesterday or get his side of the story? If you did, great, please let us know his side, but if not, then your credibility as a fair and balanced writer just went down the tubes.
The real loser in this story is not who ever loses the lawsuit, but the consumer.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
Ed's caesar salad has the english muffin croutons in it just like pearls? You mean the same caesar salad rebecca admitted in the NY Times piece her mother copied from a restaurant in LA?
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Soft-Shell Crab Sandwich
Ummm, doesn't Fisherman's Wharf in Cape May know that Rebbecca Charles owns all IP rights to Lobster Shacks?
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
Ed-Greenfield brings up a strong point. Obviously your friendship with Ms. Charles is creating a bias in your writings on this subject. Let me ask you a question, clearly you reached out to Ms. Charles while writing these articles given the quotes that were not in the NYTimes article. However, you don't make it clear if you reached out to Mr. McFarland? So I'm going to ask, did you? Did you talk to him while you ate at his restaurant yesterday or get his side of the story? If you did, great, please let us know his side, but if not, then your credibility as a fair and balanced writer just went down the tubes.
The real loser in this story is not who ever loses the lawsuit, but the consumer.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
Ed's caesar salad has the english muffin croutons in it just like pearls? You mean the same caesar salad rebecca admitted in the NY Times piece her mother copied from a restaurant in LA?
Is Imitation Always the Sincerest Form of Flattery?
tom415: clearly you are a little delusional. So since you've been nice enough to bring up learning in school, I'll use some FACTS with citations to follow up some of your bogus claims.
First, you stated earlier that Ms. Redding was just an employee, however she was a partner and co-owner. Here's an article from the NY Times that contradicts your claim. (Unless you do not trust the paper of records?)
Again, you make uneducated claims that In any other industry this would not be allowed to happen. Again, not true. If your a lawyer at a lawfirm, you have every right to leave, open up your own practice next door, and practice the same exact law you were being trained and compensated to do at your previous firm. Better yet, how about Wall Street, arguably the most lucrative industry in New York. Stock brokers can leave their firm anytime they want, and bring there existing clients to another firm, or go at it independently. Don't believe me?
Finally, you make a point that I think everyone on this board will disagree with: Selaura, you do not get it. It is not about what is better or more convenient for YOU. Its always about whats better for the customer, in this case Selaura; that's why its named the hospitality industry. If restaurants stop thinking about whats best for the customers, then there is a huge disconnect.
Competition is the basic foundation off every industry out there. Maybe I'm alone, but I welcome Ed's and Mary's into the mix, because having two additional NE Lobster Shacks benefits the people, and I'm all for the people.
Is Imitation Always the Sincerest Form of Flattery?
So what are you suggesting Mr. Levin? that Pearl Oyster Bar should be the only New England seafood shack allowed to do business in New York City? That's absurd! Would you write the same post insinuating that every brick oven pizzeria in the five boro's copied Lombardi's because they all have red checkered table clothes and serve antipasto appetizers?
I'll take this article with a grain of salt. Mr. Levin is clearly friends with Ms. Charles, and Ms. Charles is clearly bitter she have competition. Let the food do the talking, and leave pitty rivalries aside.
In the end, competition benefits us all. No longer does Pearl dominate this market, so expect better quality and service from all three establishments to keep customers coming back.
Soft-Shell Crab Sandwich
Was just down there for m annual dinner at 410 Bank street in Cape May, highly recommended for a more "fancy pants" meal. Smoked mako app special is essential eating down there.
http://www.capemaytimes.com/Restaurants/cape-may/410bank.htm
Also, if visiting the Lobster House it's worth popping into the market area to pick up some fresh or prepared seafood. Their smoked fish is very good, especially the tuna, bluefish and mackerel. Locally caught gamefish are also available at a decent price... have ended up buying ultra fresh shark there most often the past few years.
... oh, and oysters/beers at the deck bar on a nice day can not be beat!
Soft-Shell Crab Sandwich
OMG!
THAT looks so fantastic!
Great shot too...
I've never taken a really good look before I wolfed one of those down.
Just one tiny sematic/Jersey detail...
It's always just Wildwood.
Never "the" Wildwoods, though it does sound more romantic that way..
Is Imitation Always the Sincerest Form of Flattery?
hmmm... just an observation .... competition is good but basice marketing is differentiation and as for chefs... CREATIVITY and signature dishes make them who they are... many chefs and employees leave restaurants to open their own places...but 99% do it to showcase their tatlents... duplicating restaurants is plan stealing and shows the Chef has no talent to stand on his/her own two feet ... I am for comptetion but make your own mark on the world...
Is Imitation Always the Sincerest Form of Flattery?
It is amazing how many people are commenting about this when A) they have not seen the complaint and B) they have no idea what the issues are. Inane gossip, speculation, and erroneous conclusions just muddy the waters. The complaint is online and Rebecca Charles is suing for trade dress, identity theft and breach of fiduciary responsibility.
She doesn't claim to have invented anything but HER OWN restaurant, which she is trying to protect.
She doesn't want to stop you from getting your cheaper, closer lobster roll, nor does she lay claim to inventing them, just HER OWN. (Pearl's roll is a completely different animal than the traditional New England shack roll, which is why it's the one everyone copies.)
She couldn't get more customers in the joint and if she were trying to make money, she would have opened several, which brings me to the next point.
It seems McFarland is partnered with businessmen (one a millionaire/political wannabee, according to google) who intend to open of these.
In NYC on biz this week I went to both places for lunch and dinner and ELB looks exactly like Pearl. This is not Ed Levine's bias, it's reality. The paint colors down to the green in the bathroom, gray wainscoting and the white painted brick wall are identical; as are the marble bar and side bar; the beer tap; bathroom furniture; pendant lights; window seat; chairs; floor stain; odd long cabinets behind the bar; glassware, plates, coffee mugs, and doilies; waiter's station; large mirror like Pearl's placed in the same way behind the bar; and the actual layout of the dining room. The placement of the pictures, "sconces," chalkboards, what is written on them and how, menu and wine list are all identical.
Almost every item on Ed's menu is something I have eaten at Pearl in the past or can get today and this includes the lunch menu which no one is mentioning. The presentation of the dishes is identical; the sides are the same, the tartar sauce, the mignonette, etc. The mussel dish and the bouillabaisse (not clam shack dishes) were exactly the same as was Pearl's pot pie. He even makes her blueberry crumble pie. The quality paled but the intent was clear.
I lived in SF for more than a decade, went to Swan all of the time and the restaurants are nothing alike. And anyone familiar with clam shacks knows that Pearl Oyster Bar is much more than that. Tie up all these ends at Ed's and you have AN ILLEGAL FRANCHISE. Right, which I understand is a bit of an esoteric, obsolete concept these days, and the law are on Rebcca's side.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
So why, can you tell me, why has this garnered three articles here when there is NO new information? Get on with it till there is actually something new to report!!!
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
Not to me it isn't. What if Rebecca wins, this changes everything. What if there was only one place in NYC where you could experience a "seafood shack".
Exactly. I think IP rights have been pushed too far already (a copyright term of life plus 75 years?), and a victory by POB could have serious consequences. Everyone steals from everyone else -- that's how ideas and art (and cuisine) evolve. Allowing someone to own the right to a restaurant concept could really stifle creativity and innovation.
Maybe McFarland violated her trust. Maybe he's a worldclass jerk. But IMO she crossed the line when she filed the lawsuit.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
"This fight is not about diners enjoying unfettered access to delectable lobster rolls and Caesar salads. It's about a violation of trust, resentment, and betrayal behind the counter and the stove at a couple of restaurants in New York."
Not to me it isn't. What if Rebecca wins, this changes everything. What if there was only one place in NYC where you could experience a "seafood shack".
Not fair, not right, I demand unfettered access to lobster rolls!
Their squabbles are nothing to me. Violation of trust? Should he have just stayed there the rest of his life, working for her?
Is Imitation Always the Sincerest Form of Flattery?
Gee, this is really great. The Lobster Roll as Intellectual Property. Just a matter of time until the legal community jumps on this ridiculous bandwagon .... now when I take the subway, the ads will read
"If you or someone you know has been involved in any kind of recipe or food related copy-cat activity, we are here to help you connect to a local attorney for FREE. Talk to a Personal Recipe-Theft Attorney Today! GET THE MONEY, AND STUPID PRESS COVERAGE, YOU DESERVE! Visit www.lobsterollcopycats.com today and get free legal advice" and then an endorsement from Charles herself.
Geeesh ... shut up for cryin out loud, I just want to eat in peace.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
I agree with Kim Nyland; jumping on any possible, theoretical hint of bias is just far too easy, especially in this all-about-taking-sides situation.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
I think the people who invented the buffalo wings have a huge case. Since they serve them virtually everywhere. People copy food and recipes all the time. Hell I use one of Emeril's fried chicken recipes (one of 100's) and call it mine. I also agree that I feel bad that the trust issue was breeched.
If I were Ed I would make croutons out of something else and put my own mark on the world.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
This is also about free publicity. Mary's Fish Camp, which has not been mentioned, should be furious.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
Ed is right - any psychologist will tell you this - this is not about intellectual property. This is about " a violation of trust, resentment, and betrayal ". When we feel hurt and betrayed we all are inclined to go out on financially and emotionally exhausting campaigns which make no sense commercially.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
I find the whole bias thing crap. Ed's relationship with Rebecca doesn't really play into this at all..my gawd he's calling her out for this tomfoolery just as much as he's called out Ed for his restaurant "Ed's uses the same toilet paper as Pearl". I'm reading this article to say....Quit taking yourselves so goddamn seriously...it ain't brain surgery. But please if you're going to call yourself a chef & open your own place....use your own damn imagination & passion.
The point,......this guy is a unimaginitive schmuck & this is pretty silly.
Do you disagree?
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
I'm sure both restaurants will see a boost in business, which is most likely her agenda anyways. Yes, it sucks that someone you trusted doesn't have a dream of his own or imagination ...but please using the court to tell him he's a slimeball? Pathetic.
In the bread baking world we have the guild, in which our main purpose is to share ideas (formulas/recipies) & educate other so we can have great artisan bakeries everywhere.
No matter how hard someone tries....Swan Oyster can never be replicated.....& it's true it's not a restaurant..it's an seafood joint. Anchor Steam Draft & crab @ 8am.....a beautiful joint!
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
As I've said before I am friendly with Rebecca, but you don't have to be a pal of hers to find what Ed McFarland did problemmatic. I find the whole thing sad and depressing for all involved. I wish Ed hadn't opened Ed's and I wish Rebecca hadn't sued. As I said in my post, there aren't going to be any winners here.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
I find it trully amazing how some one like Rebecca Chales can be so shallow when she has clearly taken her ideas and inspirations from other Chefs. In an article posted in the San Francisco chronicle by Michael Bauer (www.sfgate.com) he wanted to get a chef's perspective on the issue so he went straight to the top and asked Thomas Keller his opinion. Any one in this industry knows who this is. His response was and this is a direct quote from the article, "I think it's a bit absurd and laughable in the face of the industry we're in -- hospitality. It's all about sharing what we do and sharing what we know."
Three cheers to Thomas Keller and all the others who realize how ridiculous this really is. It's such a shame that people have nothing better to do with there time than to come up with bogus law suits instead of being happy for people they have mentored especially since it's clear that she didn't invent any of her recipes and they are all borrowed from somewhere else even if they were modified. Isn't that what all chefs do?
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
But I also found a beleaguered Ed McFarland, in way over his head as he tries to make sense of all this. McFarland held a press conference in which (according to Grub Street) he said the following: "I believe her action has no merit. I harbor no ill will and wish her safely to port." His lawyer, Alan Serrins, followed with the following bit of disingenuousness: "I didn't know Caesar salad and lobsters are protected under the intellectual-property laws."
How is that disingenuous? I'm an attorney, and I can tell you that, unless McFarland signed some sort of non-disclosure agreement when he worked for POB, Caesar salad, lobsters and other recipes most definitely are NOT protected under the intellectual property laws. His lawyer is absolutely right.
Her only claim is trade dress infringement -- i.e., that the overall look and feel of her place is inherenly distinctive, and that his place is so similar to hers that it could confuse or deceive customers into thinking that the restaurants are affiliated. The recipes and food will likely play only a minor role in this analysis. I seriously doubt she can win given that the look and style of the restaurant isn't really all that distinctive.
I have to agree with greenfield -- your take on this case is pretty biased.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
I don't think there's even a brand involved. Jasper White has been doing upscale New England food for decades. (And I can recommend his Summer Shacks in Cambridge and Boston.) If you're in business and good at what you do, someone is going to try to knock it off. Yes, it's a pity that someone she trusted decided to do the same sort of thing, but when she admits so many influences - including getting the recipe for the Caesar salad from her mom who had it from an LA restaurant - then getting mad about someone "copying" her just doesn't sound quite as legitimate.
Great site, by the way - I've never been here before, but will definitely point to it from my own blog.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
I'm surprised that, among all the brouhaha, I haven't seen/heard any mention of Mary's Fish Camp. (Unless I just missed it). Isn't it part of the story?
Just, ya know, saying.
Rebecca Charles is Mad as Hell and She's Not Going to Take It Anymore
I don't know much about legal matters, so I believe others when they say this case has no legal merit, but I am confused by people who compare this situation to one where you have restaurants with similar concepts in different cities that are 100's or thousands of miles apart. These places are a mile apart and almost look they could be part of the same chain.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
Ed, this is your third article on Serious Eats about the dispute; all three of them have been decidedly in Charles's corner. On another comment thread you wrote, "Yes, I am friendly with Rebecca, but I don't know why that's germane to this discussion." Could you elaborate on your relationship? It makes it hard to figure out how much of your opinion is colored by your personal relationship.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
I think looking at this as an IP issue based on the recipes is irrelevant. The way that Rebecca Charles would make her case is that Pearl is a brand, and that Ed's is infringing upon her brand. For better or for worse, big-brand corporations have set precedents where copyright infringement doesn't have to happen - anything suggesting an association that doesn't exist (e.g. an organic fertilizer company using the same colors on their package as Miracle Gro does) is a possible brand infringement. It does sound like Ed's is infringing upon Pearl's brand - though who knows if the lawyers for a small (albeit successful) restaurant like Pearl can make the case the way the lawyers for multinational conglomerates do?
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
As a consumer I'm pro-competition. Businesses outside of food service don't operate this way. They patent, trademark, or copyright if they want to protect something. Do we really want a set of de facto restaurant monopolies? How is this good for me? And don't give me a 'this stifles creativity crap'. Restaurants still will innovate to compete without any protection.
Ed McFarland Holds a Press Conference: Life Goes On
Ed Levine I'm shocked to hear that you think Pearl is a "better restaurant" than Swan, a restaurant most people in the food business find much more exciting, and which is, what all this hullabaloo is about, genuine. The counter banter, the fish, and the feel at Swan are irreplacable, which is one reason Charles' suit seems so baseless. You can't copy feeling.
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Ummm, doesn't Fisherman's Wharf in Cape May know that Rebbecca Charles owns all IP rights to Lobster Shacks?