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Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
Thanks everyone for all your great feedback, Josh S. here. I will fully admit that I don't know the difference between Naples and Neapolitan so forgive me if I made things confusing. I had narrowed down the list to these 3 based upon proximity to other items that I will be nearby.
As I had mentioned I just don't think that Di Fara is truly and option for me. With my schedule it looks like the only day I could potentially make it, is Monday and well I know they aren't open on Monday or Tuesday.
Based upon everyones recommendations and comments I think I will be choosing Motorino for my choice of pie. While I am all for history, I will be more certainly impressed with the taste of the pie rather than the history. Depending on a couple of factors I might be able to make it to Lombardi's if anything for comparison and completeness.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
Thanks everyone for all your suggestions. I have updated my list with some recommendations:
Saturday Lunch: Katz Deli
Saturday Dinner: Still Open
Saturday Dessert: Momofuku Milk Bar
Sunday Morning Snack: Doughnut Plant
Sunday Breakfast: With Shopsin's closed I need a recommendation, maybe Dim Sum/is it cool to do it solo???
Sunday Lunch: Shake Shack
Sunday Dinner: Papaya King
Sunday Dessert: 2 Little Red Hens
Monday Breakfast: Brownstone Diner in New Jersey
Monday Lunch: Lombardi's
Monday Dinner: Airport unfortunately or leftover Lombardi's...
I know Sunday looks overloaded but I want to try and hit as much as possible and it will be my 1 heavy day. Typically I like Chinese food, or at least the closest thing you can get to Chinese in Ohio, as well as burgers and pizza the most. Not a big fan of bagels, but thanks for the recommendation.
For Saturday Dinner I was thinking either Blue Smoke or possibly Minetta Tavern for a higher end burger. I know that the Black Label Burger has been gushed upon a lot on A Hamburger Today and I am willing to have this be my biggest splurge...
My 1 remaining question is would it be worth trying to do Shopsin's on a Saturday for lunch as I have seen by most accounts that hours can be how would you say iffy and it can be ridiculously busy?
Thanks again for everyone's input it has been a lot of help...and a lot of fun doing more research.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
PS... I will actually be staying in Newark and Commuting in each day as it was much cheaper to do it that way.
PSS. @bobbob Yes I have a really large appetite as I run a lot, like a half or full marathon a month.
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Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
Thanks again for the additional comments and after some further review I have replaced Lombardi's with Motorino, scratched King Papaya from Dinner from Sunday Dinner, and have added Minetta Tavern for Dinner on Saturday.
So pretty much Saturday is totally on lockdown so that is 1 day. Basically at this point I am looking at filling Sunday Breakfast and another dinner or lunch. I say either because I am willing to move things around based upon when it is best to hit some restaurants or depending on how early I need to get there.
For Motorino, how hard would it be to get a single spot by myself at lunch on Sunday or Monday? I am willing to move by Shake Shack meal to dinner on Sunday if it would be easier to do Motorino when I know I can get there right when they open on Sunday.
Thanks guys keep up the great work.
Dear Slice: 'Barring Di Fara, Where Should I Go for Pizza on My NYC Visit?'
Thanks everyone for all your great feedback, Josh S. here. I will fully admit that I don't know the difference between Naples and Neapolitan so forgive me if I made things confusing. I had narrowed down the list to these 3 based upon proximity to other items that I will be nearby.
As I had mentioned I just don't think that Di Fara is truly and option for me. With my schedule it looks like the only day I could potentially make it, is Monday and well I know they aren't open on Monday or Tuesday.
Based upon everyones recommendations and comments I think I will be choosing Motorino for my choice of pie. While I am all for history, I will be more certainly impressed with the taste of the pie rather than the history. Depending on a couple of factors I might be able to make it to Lombardi's if anything for comparison and completeness.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
Thanks everyone for all your suggestions. I have updated my list with some recommendations:
Saturday Lunch: Katz Deli
Saturday Dinner: Still Open
Saturday Dessert: Momofuku Milk Bar
Sunday Morning Snack: Doughnut Plant
Sunday Breakfast: With Shopsin's closed I need a recommendation, maybe Dim Sum/is it cool to do it solo???
Sunday Lunch: Shake Shack
Sunday Dinner: Papaya King
Sunday Dessert: 2 Little Red Hens
Monday Breakfast: Brownstone Diner in New Jersey
Monday Lunch: Lombardi's
Monday Dinner: Airport unfortunately or leftover Lombardi's...
I know Sunday looks overloaded but I want to try and hit as much as possible and it will be my 1 heavy day. Typically I like Chinese food, or at least the closest thing you can get to Chinese in Ohio, as well as burgers and pizza the most. Not a big fan of bagels, but thanks for the recommendation.
For Saturday Dinner I was thinking either Blue Smoke or possibly Minetta Tavern for a higher end burger. I know that the Black Label Burger has been gushed upon a lot on A Hamburger Today and I am willing to have this be my biggest splurge...
My 1 remaining question is would it be worth trying to do Shopsin's on a Saturday for lunch as I have seen by most accounts that hours can be how would you say iffy and it can be ridiculously busy?
Thanks again for everyone's input it has been a lot of help...and a lot of fun doing more research.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
PS... I will actually be staying in Newark and Commuting in each day as it was much cheaper to do it that way.
PSS. @bobbob Yes I have a really large appetite as I run a lot, like a half or full marathon a month.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
Well bollocks! I thought Shopsin's was open on Sunday's...Thanks for double checking me. Looks like if I really want to go there I need to try and make that my first stop in the city when I get there on Saturday.
Albano's Pizzeria in Cicero: The Biggest and Best Pizza Puff in Chicago
That pizza puff looks awesome and is making me wish I was in Chicago right now.
Ed Levine's Serious Diet, Week 73: Sometimes Only Dark Chocolate Malted Milk Balls Will Do: What's Your Weakness?
Breakfast pastries of any sort pretty much. Donuts, danishes, muffins, sconse..I want to eat them all and could easily, and have done so in the past, downed half a dozen in a flash.
LaRosa's: A Tradition Cincinnatians Should Not Be Proud Of
I have to agree on LaRosa's that it is relatively bland and the only benefit is the sauce. My grandma dearly loves it but I can barely stand it.
I will agree as well that the pizza that a person grows up on is the one that they pretty much will go to bat for almost any time. Which is why I am such a die hard fan of Marion's in Dayton.
@Cary I am a devotee of the Marion's kind. There is just something delicious about their pepperoni with the thin cracker like crust. It may not be the best pizza ever, but I think it is the best that Dayton has to offer.
My Year in Hamburgers
Congrats Nick! I think you look forward to seeing our reactions as much as I look forward to seeing your reviews.
Great Jones Cafe: A Great Burger Whose Bun Renders It Merely Good
Those look incredible! I don't know if I could actually go out and eat most of the time if I lived in New York as I would probably explode from choice overload.
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I will be glad to see Irvine back as Symon, no offense to his cooking skills, just didn't have the personality to do the show.
Hamburger America: Thurman Cafe in Columbus, Ohio
You know I go to Cbus all the time and I have been by there and wanted to try it but I heard they only cook it to medium-well and to me that is just overly cooking it and going to take the flavor away from the patty as well as moisture. Anybdoy tried it?
One Dozen Trader Joe's Eggs, Each with a Double Yolk
Wow, I have never come across 1 let alone an entire dozen.
5ive Steak: A Meaty, Beaty, Big and Bouncy Burger in the Middle of JFK Airport
Now, that is how every beefy burger should look. Haven't flown though JFK in a long time but maybe I need to see if I can get work to send me there.
Grown Up Treats
I really don't do grown up treats from the store very much. I am there to get nutiritious and healthy food and if I want to splurge and be bad I usually go out, but that is almost always relegated to Sunday Brunch with the parental units.
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That Burger looks awesome to say the least. It took the restaurant 3 tries last night to get my burger done properly last night. It was good but definitely not worth the extra 20 minute wait.
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Dang Adam, you got me hook line and sinker! I think my heart sunk and died a little bit when I first read it.
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I say, that steak shot is perfect!
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Yeah I would have to agree and say that the burger in the picture looks really dry.
The Working Lunch at Lemon Moon in Los Angeles
@eddie_lomax: I would have to disagree and say that looks more towards the medium than medium rare. If it were medium rare, I would imagine a more pronouced pink/red in the middle, not the tingles that are there. Also those tinges could just be my crappy monitor so I am not completely sure.
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That woman in your story sounds like my aunt.
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It would either be my non-stick omelette pan, I call it that because that is pretty much all I use it for, or my spatula.
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Wow the process behind that burger is insane and yet it seems all so necessary together. It's official though...today is a burger day for dinner.
Cheeseburger from Monk's Cafe in Philadelphia
While I was scrolling down reading the article at one point I caught a glimpse at the upper portion of the bun and I thought to myself "That bun is not right at all" and "Robyn is gonna wish for that burger without a bun". Funny how you can think ahead of what you are going to read.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
Keeping up with you deli and cheesecake desire, I would say go to Carnegie Deli on 55th and Seventh Avenue. You can have really good sandwiches and really good cheesecake - all in one place. Then, if you feel the need to go to brooklyn - give Junior's cheesecake a try. But I really love Carnegie Deli. Have a great time in NY.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
Try Locanda Verde for bfast. The crispy garlic potatoes are awesome, as is the french toast. It is not expensive and downtown in Tribeca. Great place.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
my mini chinatown food tour - recommend it to my visitors who want to have a taste of a lot for a little in under and hour...
copied from part of a yelp review:
Here's my circa 75-minute (including the ride on the B or D from 40th and 6th) lunch break tour of Chinatown - best with a partner so you can share everything and get the most flavor and diversity for your money.
-Get out at Grand St and head SE to Prosperity Dumpling on Eldridge. Order 10-15 fried. Eat in or eat while you walk....
-Down to Canal, where you'll head east until you hit Elizabeth. Once southbound on Elizabeth, you'll eventually run into ViVi Bubble Tea on Bayard. Grab an order of light, crispy popcorn chicken for $3 with your choice of spice - I prefer curry.
- take a left out of ViVi and then a right on Mott. Close this perfect circle of a tour by picking up the #1 (say yes to spicy!) at Banh Mi Saigon (http://www.yelp.com/bi...) on the east side of Mott just before Grand.
20 fried at prosperity = $4
popcorn chicken at ViVi = $3
Banh Mi at Saigon = $3.75
Total cost for a 3 course meal for 2: $10.75
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
@MFSeattle - i believe mr. gabriel has moved to a new location.
See http://nymag.com/restaurants/features/59442/.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
Splurge on one meal while you are there... Babbo or Per Se. Have fun!! It sounds like a fabulous trip. :-)
Oh, and you HAVE to get a black and white cookie (from Glaser's Bake Shop- I think they have the best in town) while you're there.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
I also have to give Lombardi's a thumbs down. Posto is really good and has 2 or 3 sister restaurants around the city.
@_cjw_ I tried to go to Charles Southern Kitchen last spring and it was closed and the phone had been disconnected. Has it reopened?
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
i find everyone at the communal tables at momofuku ssam to be really friendly- it would probably be a great place to dine solo, and you can get some more recommendations there.
how about breakfast at prune or clinton st. baking company? or veselka? some personal favorites :)
what a great trip - have a wonderful time!
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
so i could do this all day ;)
burger - you got shake shack, so if you're going to have a splurge, i'd shift away from minetta tavern and do one or two dishes at a high end great place (walk in early at counter) babbo, eleven madison park, bread bar at tabla, etc., or, no quite so high end something at balthazar or similar.
for chinese, if you're not doing momofuku (which is not chinese per se), i'd say new york noodletown, one of the grand sichuan restaurants.
for pizza, besides franny's, motorino and the pizza at the bk flea, maybe get a slice for extra snack at artichoke. i also like posto, which is a different style, thin crust.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
i agree with eatingraoul. motorino or co. are far better options than lombardi's.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
I so want a trip to NYC now. Gastronomy heaven.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
here are some more suggestions for place i like that i've done or think are comfortable to do solo...sounds like a great weekend to me!
sat dinner
- agree with recommendation for pearl oyster bar. if you go when it opens, hopefully you can be seated with minimal wait and it's less crowded.
- if you like sushi, shimizu is great and a great value.
sun lunch
- i think gazala place has better falafel than mamoun's.
- if you like thai, pam's real thai.
i like the idea of minetta tavern. a bit of cool ny. although i like blue smoke, i don't think it's very "ny." you can get better bbq and better bbq atmosphere in other cities.
dim sum in ny is not that great. maybe better than ohio, but i wouldn't go out of my way for it here. maybe check out some of the (non-momofuku) great ramen options, eg ippudo.
i don't eat hot dogs myself, but would skip gray's and go with crif dogs or google some of the other funky hot dog options. (actually, there's a great option at the bk flea, discussed below.)
if you don't mind traveling (work up an appetite b/w meals):
- wherever in harlem the gentleman behind charles southern kitchen if frying up chicken.
- great stuff in brooklyn, including franny's for pizza and wine, buttermilk channel. i haven't been but if i were on your trip i would scope: vanderbilt, any number of the great places in williamsburg.
- go to the brooklyn flea (sat in ft greene, sun in dumbo) and nosh from all the great food vendors, including mexican, "asia dog" for funky hot dogs, bakeries, great cheese, etc., while enjoying the people/vibe. if the weather's decent and you do sunday, you can walk across the brooklyn bridge. if you come to ft greene, let me know if you need a guide!
snacks, late night, etc
- stroll through chelsea market where you can snack on/from amy bread, fat witch brownies, the lobster place, some good gelato, jacque torres.
- otafuku
- blue ribbon bakery
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
Switch Lombardi for Motorino or any of the other recommended pizzerias on this site. Pizza at Lombardi's is just ok and it's a crazy scene on the weekends. Packed with groups of tourists etc. I would also recommend eating at any of the Momofukus on Saturday night.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
@Frosty--dimsum is possible alone, but tough, since everythign comes in three or four pieces, you will be really limited in the number of dishes you can try, unless you make peace with leaving things behind for the sake of variety. I've got no specific recommendations for you, but if it's your first dim sum experience, don't feel pressured. If it's cart service, take your time and don't feel compelled to try everything that looks good the first time it comes around. If it's menu service (especially if it's your first time)--try and find a place with a detailed menu.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
If you are going to be in the East Village, I recommend Porchetta or Crif Dogs for lunch and Chikalicious or Milk Bar for a sweet snack.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
do momofuko noodle bar for sat dinner (katzs for lunch is better then you can walk it off...). its a bar situation perfect for dining alone and very yummy.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
@julie -- There are a few things in life that are worth a splurge. I have regretted not ordering the pigeon Prince Rainier III at Le Grand Vefour for years. DH and I were on a budget that trip and stuck with the prix fixe (although the tete de veau was melt in the mouth tender). Who knows if we ever will get back there?
Same goes for the chocolate mousse with a maple cloche at the old Le Cirque. DH and I passed -- again, we were on a budget and already had diverged from the prix fixe by splitting the (heavenly) lobster risotto for an app and ordering swordfish and navarin of lamb for entrees. Unfortunately, I am told the mousse presentation is off the menu. Another culinary regret.
So, in that light, truffle risotto once, truffle risotto with white truffles shaved over it so that the smell wafts to every table around you, truffle risotto so rich that just thinking about it makes the mouth water? My view is go for it. You may never have the chance again!
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
At the Brownstone in NJ, I highly recommend a pancake wrap...it's a big pancake stuffed with eggs and cheese and stuff..mmmmmm
Also, I 2nd Mamouns...I would go there for Sat lunch since it's not too heavy and you can save room for Katz's. Gray's Papaya is an EXCELLENT suggestion.
For Sunday dinner, this is a bit of an unorthodox suggestion, but I would really recommend Indochine. They have a great pre-theater dinner special that's $28 for 3 courses. The food there always delivers, and it's a lovely place
Lastly, if you like sushi, you should really go to Yama near Irving Place...the spicy tuna roll there is exactly what a spicy tuna roll should taste like, and the fish is super fresh.
Anyway, it seems like you have an amazing line up planned...I wish I was going to all of those places!
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
I don't know where you live normally but since you're staying in Newark you might want to check out the Portuguese/Spanish restaurants there along Ferry Street. My favorites is Fornos and I'd follow that up with a spanish custard cup and cappuccino from a bakery down the road. (I used to work in Newark). For NYC - last year I had a week of "me" and spent the week eating to my heart's content. For solo meals I loved my time at the bar at Gramercy Tavern (afternoon is quietest) and Otto. Both places have excellent bar service and are quick to offer suggestions on the menu. If you like pasta, get the escarole and sunshoke salad and the bavette e cacio e pepe at Otto - it's off-menu but they'll always make it for you if you ask nicely.
If you make it to Little Red Hen try a piece of their Brooklyn Blackout Cake. It's hand down the best chocolate cake I've ever tried. You will need a nap after.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
wow my typing skills are impressively bad. sorry.
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
Shopsin's, Katz's and Junior's in one day is incredibly intense, more power to you if you can manage it. I would move the cheesecake to Sunday afternoon snack. Also, the cheesecake at Two Little Red Hens on 86th and 2nd is much better than Junior's, so you might want to head up there after Shake Shack (just jump on the 6 train) and you can go to the Met or one of the other museums on museum mile when you get uptown. out the Serious Eats cheescake round-up.Also the original Papaya King is right by there, so if you want the papya drink hot dog snack it is a good one. Check Also for breakfast on Sunday, you could go to Russ & Daughters which is relatively close to the Doughnut Plant, walk off the donuts on the way to pick up bagels and smoked fish. Apparently I view every trip to New York based on how you can get from place to place. Shake Shack is easiest to handle if you go on the early side, but you could also go a bit later, I have had pretty good luck in the 2-3pm time frame. The line is an experience though, and they have installed heat lamps in the seating area so you will be fine. What kind of thing are you looking to eat for Sunday dinner?
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
Isn't Shake Shack closed for the season?
Anyway, how about a falafel at Mamoun's? They are legendary and wonderful. And YES, Gray's Papaya for sure!
Dec. 5-7 Loner Vacation
To fill your Saturday lunch slot why not go to that place that sells hot dogs and papaya drinks. know what I'm talking about? Gray's Papaya! I had to Google it. I don't know anything about the place- I'm from Los Angeles, but Bourdain loves it so it can't be too bad.
One Dozen Trader Joe's Eggs, Each with a Double Yolk
We bought a flat (20) last week from a local organic market and had the same thing happen. All 20 eggs were double yolked. It was the weirdest thing.
One Dozen Trader Joe's Eggs, Each with a Double Yolk
Whoa - I want that dozen of eggs!!! The yolk is my favorite part!
California Dreaming at The Golden State in Los Angeles
great review! finally got to try the burger out last week and i thought it was definitely one of the top five burgers i've eaten.
if you haven't yet, you must try the sweet potato fries! i'm usually not even a fan of sweet potato fries, but the golden state's are thick cut and really delicious. love this place.
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Thanks again for the additional comments and after some further review I have replaced Lombardi's with Motorino, scratched King Papaya from Dinner from Sunday Dinner, and have added Minetta Tavern for Dinner on Saturday.
So pretty much Saturday is totally on lockdown so that is 1 day. Basically at this point I am looking at filling Sunday Breakfast and another dinner or lunch. I say either because I am willing to move things around based upon when it is best to hit some restaurants or depending on how early I need to get there.
For Motorino, how hard would it be to get a single spot by myself at lunch on Sunday or Monday? I am willing to move by Shake Shack meal to dinner on Sunday if it would be easier to do Motorino when I know I can get there right when they open on Sunday.
Thanks guys keep up the great work.