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The Fest: Our Humblest Apologies to All
Yes, it seems like once again we are left to fend for ourselves. For refunds:
If you bought your tickets online:
Call LiveNation at 888-598-4299, they want your 9 digit order number that should start with a 1. They wanted to help me and they already know the situation but I unfortunately bought the tickets directly from the box office.
If you bought your tickets at the Shoreline Box Office:
Call 650-967-3000. Supposedly they are giving refunds also, but I keep getting a ringing phone. They must be looking at the lines and not wanting to pick up.
This was my main gripe of the weekend. Not one official took charge. Not one official started lining people up. Problems happen, I understand that, but the true test is how you handle the situation and alleviate the problem. You had two Ushers for every isle making sure no one sits in the VIP sections of the theater, and there was only a handful of VIP's actually sitting in that section. Can't one of those ushers instead hold a sign at the end of the line explaining what line it is. I am not going to name call anyone, or ask for any head on a platter, but someone in authority should have stepped up and made some decisions to help everyone. Just like the situation we are in now, we are left to tell each other that refunds are available.
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I disagree with the fifteen minute waits after 4pm. My family and I were there from noon to around 6:30pm. After 4pm most of the food was sold out, and lines were still just as long. I witnessed the Katz's line go nowhere after the Bobby Flay demo, and then I heard the front of the line telling everyone they have to wait until 7pm to cook some more. Not the staff, your guests were telling each other.
Please do not try to spin this to make it look like people actually enjoyed this event after 4pm. By 4pm most of us were just hungry and exhausted. Settling for a small bagel and lox for $160.00 is not my idea of a great value. Money is tight right now, and for $160.00 my family and I could have stayed home in San Francisco, drove downtown, and been served at Burger Meister all under an hour and for much cheaper.
I am really disappointed and for the amount that we were charged it really should have been more organized and the event should have been better prepared. The most enjoyable part of the day was laughing with other people on how bad it is, and how ripped off we felt. Thank you Bay Area for being good sports and I met some good people, but we all had a common enemy that day and it wasn't each other.
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@ beratedlime
Try emailing info@greatamericanfoodandmusicfest.com
This email supposedly goes to Jim Levine, the other organizer of this event. Maybe they will get you instructions on how to obtain that refund. I was lucky I didn't put any money on that wristband.
Thanks again SE for all the helpful info you all been keeping us up to date with regarding refunds! Glad you are on top of it.
P.S.
The story actually made Mornings on 2 (KTVU) today.
The Fest: Our Humblest Apologies to All
Yes, it seems like once again we are left to fend for ourselves. For refunds:
If you bought your tickets online:
Call LiveNation at 888-598-4299, they want your 9 digit order number that should start with a 1. They wanted to help me and they already know the situation but I unfortunately bought the tickets directly from the box office.
If you bought your tickets at the Shoreline Box Office:
Call 650-967-3000. Supposedly they are giving refunds also, but I keep getting a ringing phone. They must be looking at the lines and not wanting to pick up.
This was my main gripe of the weekend. Not one official took charge. Not one official started lining people up. Problems happen, I understand that, but the true test is how you handle the situation and alleviate the problem. You had two Ushers for every isle making sure no one sits in the VIP sections of the theater, and there was only a handful of VIP's actually sitting in that section. Can't one of those ushers instead hold a sign at the end of the line explaining what line it is. I am not going to name call anyone, or ask for any head on a platter, but someone in authority should have stepped up and made some decisions to help everyone. Just like the situation we are in now, we are left to tell each other that refunds are available.
The Fest: Our Humblest Apologies to All
I disagree with the fifteen minute waits after 4pm. My family and I were there from noon to around 6:30pm. After 4pm most of the food was sold out, and lines were still just as long. I witnessed the Katz's line go nowhere after the Bobby Flay demo, and then I heard the front of the line telling everyone they have to wait until 7pm to cook some more. Not the staff, your guests were telling each other.
Please do not try to spin this to make it look like people actually enjoyed this event after 4pm. By 4pm most of us were just hungry and exhausted. Settling for a small bagel and lox for $160.00 is not my idea of a great value. Money is tight right now, and for $160.00 my family and I could have stayed home in San Francisco, drove downtown, and been served at Burger Meister all under an hour and for much cheaper.
I am really disappointed and for the amount that we were charged it really should have been more organized and the event should have been better prepared. The most enjoyable part of the day was laughing with other people on how bad it is, and how ripped off we felt. Thank you Bay Area for being good sports and I met some good people, but we all had a common enemy that day and it wasn't each other.
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Why did I have to go to dinner after a Food Festival?
Like many of the other people out here, this event was a disaster.
First I have to hand it to everyone in the crowd for keeping level heads when it came to interaction with each other. It was strange how we were all just sort of laughing at each other after a while. Talking to each other and laughing at this catastrophe actually kept me level headed.
Here are some other fun things that happened:
Being told at the box office that they sold out of the "Family of 4 package" when it really is just a discounted price for 4 general admission tickets. So I pay $160.00 for four tickets.
The mass confusion of what the hell this wrist band is worth.
As I eat my "Katz's" sandwich, near the stage, watching the Katz's line and the BBQ line grow and then intersect each other.
Not knowing that the sandwich I am eating at 1pm will be the last thing I eat at a food festival.
Watching people settle for a bagel and water from a fountain.
The topper was, ordering an It's It from the concessions. Getting handed a cup of ice cream. Telling the worker that this isn't It's It, It's It has chocolate and cookies. She said, "this is it." Because of exhaustion and hunger we take the ice cream.
I want my refund.
The Fest: Our Humblest Apologies to All
We appreciate all your feedback on the fest. We're taking to heart the lessons we've learned and we will certainly apply them to any events we get involved with in the future. If you'd like to request a refund, please contact jimlewi@theagencygroup.com. These requests will be addressed on a case by case basis. We are closing comments on this post. If you have additional feedback that you'd like to share with us, e-mail foodfest@seriouseats.com.
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We appreciate all your feedback on the fest. We're taking to heart the lessons we've learned and we will certainly apply them to any events we get involved with in the future. If you'd like to request a refund, please contact jimlewi@theagencygroup.com. These requests will be addressed on a case by case basis. We are closing comments on this post. If you have additional feedback that you'd like to share with us, e-mail foodfest@seriouseats.com.
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Ed-
To avoid any further embarrassment, I would suggest that you don't attempt this event again. Hand the planning to someone else because you failed pretty badly.
Waste of time to try
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I'm mad but no longer fuming about the whole fiasco. As the anger is settling, I've come to the conclusion that more than apologies, which though sincere still don't really make up for anything, Serious Eats and/or whoever ran the show owes us, the poor souls who gave up a BEAUTIFUL Saturday - if you live or have ever lived in the Bay Area you know good weather is a rarity - the good food which we expected. Gift certificates to local eatiers, mail order Pink's hot dogs, I don't care what it is, it just better be tasty.
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@PaulaMaack - I'm not sure if 18 comments on that Eater post constitute "the entire Bay Area"...and the majority of those comments aren't "up in arms" about anything, most of them are just people chiming in about their own favorite SF pizza. So in this case your facts are a little off.
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@bruisedbuddha - Thanks, I'm here every Friday. ;)
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@gaffer - If that is so, then why is the entire Bay Area up in arms about his less than kind review of Delfina last week? Just one (very recent) example.
@Ed Levine - I'm not trying to be harsh. I am actually trying to help. I care about what happens here. But, I don't mince words. I call it like I see it, and facts are facts. With over 15 years PR experience, I can tell you with some certainty that the longer you take to address this and make things right, the more insurmountable it shall become. It will not just blow away with time - not in this day and age. You must clean up your mess. For the sake of your many Serious Eats members who have helped to build up this site, I certainly hope you take heed.
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@Paula Maack
The hole in your theorizing is that Ed Levine and Serious Eats does not do harsh and nasty reviews. I never see them. Their philosophy is- if the place sucks it doesn't get written about. I have seen some places get a bad review but that is rare and it is never done in a condescending or nasty way. But even those reviews are few because "life is too short"
Yelp can trash a restaurant and ruin business. But those are anonymous participants. Serious eats is not anonymous. You know who they are and where to find them
Yes this event was a disaster and it is now it is the critic's turn to get criticized
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I don't feel that I need a refund for my tickets- I went, I had a good time w/ my friends, I was able to eat. HOWEVER, I checked my credit card account the other night and found that these guys charged me TWO apparently flat fees of $75. I had linked my credit card to two different wrist bands, but we didn't spend anywhere NEAR $75 each. How could we, when the whole system wasn't working? We paid cash for most of our items.
Anyone else have this problem? Any idea on who I should contact regarding being over-charged by the vendors/wristband people/Great American Food and Music Fest? The website itself does not have a contact # or anything.
I'm pretty easygoing and I am prepared to let a lot of thing slide.... I really do think that this could be an awesome event given the right venue. But come on. This is getting beyond ridiculous! At the very least you should provide some info on how we can straighten these kinds of problems out!
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Sorry, this isn't over yet. We were still talking about this at the "water cooler" at work today. And what's worse is that I got into the event with COMP TICKETS and I was still mad - now you know it has to be bad when you get in for free and you're upset. I'm glad I'm not an LBS person otherwise you would've seen the return of the Incredible Hulk from the hunger! Well, Ed Levine and crew, at least PF Changs in Sunnyvale thanks you because that is where we took our business. The person standing behind us in the Philly Cheesesteak line was quick to tell us exactly how to get there: 4 hours and $100+ later, we were FED some good Asian Fusion. The Bay Area deserved better; in such a great venue where Santana and John Mayer have performed to thousands of orderly crowds, fed and boozed 'til they could take no more, this event sadly fell terribly short of expectations. Then the final straw was to see Bobby Flay strolling past the long Cheesesteak line happy as a plum because he probably had a full stomach! Our only entertainment while we waited was the beer vendor saying his beer was "colder than a mother-in-law's kiss." I will not attend this event again, even if for free... waste of time, waste of gas, waste of a sunny Saturday. Shoreline: See you in July for COLDPLAY and some frickin' food and beer!
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I humbly bow to your blog-fu, Paula-- you are articulate and, seemingly, awesome ...(if fearsomely so). Pay attention serious eaters! This is how you take someone to task, yet build them back up! May your hunger always be sated!
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Ed, I hope you are doing alright. I did not attent the GAFF event, and I am not here to lambast you, or to tear you a new one.
I am a dreamer and a risk taker myself. My heart goes out to you. I know how deflated you must feel, and I sincerely hope you aren't loitering on any bridges, shopping for rope, or anything else along those lines. Public failure is brutal, and I am sure you are hurting something fierce. Nut, my hope is that you are off somewhere licking your wounds among supportive loved ones.
It is such a shame about everything that went wrong with GAFF. Seeing your dream gown down in flames and enduring the wrath of thousands of people is not an easy lot, I am sure.
However, since you are in the business of doling out public criticism, it is imperitive that you accept the same with grace and dignity, yourself.
There is nothing wrong with dreaming big, taking risks, and even failing miserably, as long as you fully embrace and own up to the responsibility that comes with it. Instead, it appears to many that you are trying to sweep this under the rug, and it smells of something foul - the stench of which is seeping throughout the internets.
I am certain you would not avoid the praise were your event a raging success. In the same vein you need to face your public, embrace their rage, and work to make them whole rather than standing behind this seemingly half-hearted apology. Especially, since you are asking for forgiveness and a second chance in the same essay, which many see as more than a bit presumptuous.
I am willing to bet that the countless restauranteurs you have harshly critiqued (and left voiceless and damaged in your wake) thought to themselves "I was just doing my best, trying to provide people with great food." Yet, you felt the need to criticize their efforts, and they were left to suffer the fallout. The difference is that you most likely actually ate their food before critiquing it, and I doubt they touted it as the "best of the best," before you even tried it.
If you want to know how to fix this Ed, you need to put yourself in the shoes of your patrons. How would YOU critique your event? What remedies would you seek? Would you give the organizers another chance? Or, would you simply want blood? Why? And, most imortantly, what would you want to see them do now?
Hindsight is often 20/20, and there are plenty of people jumping on the bandwagon willing to either pound another nail in, or offer their services and advice about what you should have done.
There are many lessons here. The biggest being humility, I am sure.
And, while I am not sure you should attempt this event again any time soon, I do applaud your gumption to manifest your dream. It certainly was a nice idea, Ed!
Hang in there!!
~ Paula
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I just saw this article online: http://sf.broowaha.com/article.php?id=4911
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I didn't even know about the event until I read about it in the Chron today. I must say, I hope there's a do-over. If these Serious Eats folks heed the lessons learned, I'd sure as heck fork out some money to attend what has the potential to be a terrific event.
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Next time, hire an experienced event producer or project-manager to execute your concept. Despite the environment of our current economy, this is NOT a position you want to scrimp on. Funny how people will take on a project they are not experienced in wanting to save a few thousand dollars. And at the end, they lose tens of thousands not only in profit but in returning customers for the following year. May this be a valuable marketing lesson learned. Good luck
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Next time, hire an experienced event producer or project-manager to execute your concept. Despite the environment of our current economy, this is NOT a position you want to scrimp on. Funny how people will take on a project they are not experienced in wanting to save a few thousand dollars. And at the end, they lose tens of thousands not only in profit but in returning customers for the following year. May this be a valuable marketing lesson learned. Good luck
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Ed, I've produced events of this scale and I understand the challenges involved but just admit that you did not consider the logistics of this at all. How can you have a food event where you run out of food? Colossal failure. Plus you paid money to enter, money to eat, money to park. Bull shit is all i have to say.
If this was your dream event one might have thought you would have put more planning into it. I for one will never attend one of your events again. A waste of a great Saturday.
As for great american food? You represented 1% of the nation's food specialities. Cut your losses and don't bother to host another one. You get one chance to launch a successful concept event and you've blown this one in a highly critical food market. And excusing the pun, you left a very bad taste in our mouths.
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Again, a Drag Queen doing a slow striptease - "Dance of the Seven Veils" - might have taken the angst off of this affair. I'm sure a lot of people are still MAD, as would I be. I love good food - who doesn't ? - but really, Miss Levine !
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Wow... Some really upset eaters. I bet Ed is looking back at the "Obama vs.beets" backlash as the golden age. (tee-hee!) seriously, though, come on out to the midwest, Ed- we can cry in our beers together.
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I ran a race last year that was botched up beyond belief. The course was poorly marked, the volunteers weren't there in time, and people all ran different courses, making it such that times and places meant nothing. Runners were understandably upset...there were people who had put months and months of training into this event. The race director expressed his apologies, and offered to let anyone who participated in last year's event into this year's event at the price of their choosing (they could pay anything from nothing to the standard price, based on what they felt the race was worth). The race will likely lose money next year, but it's setting itself up for future years, and it's better than having no one show up and folding altogether. Ed, maybe you could consider something like that? I wasn't at the Fest, so I have no idea how poorly it went, but based on what I'm reading, it sounds like unless you do something, no one's going to return next year. If this is truly your dream, a little incentive for people who got burned this year might get them to come back next year. It sounds like a bear to organize, and I think people are being a little harsh, but then again, as I said, I wasn't there. I wish you the best of luck with future Food and Music Fests, and hope that you take the lessons you learned this year and use them to make next year a success.
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@hymie - you are an asshole. You can get your money refunded. That's not enough for you?
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I resent Ed's implied blame on attendees coming when doors open. When you say "doors open at..." you better damn well be ready for attendees coming WHEN DOORS OPEN. Man up to the failure Ed, and don't blame folks who PAID for this poor experience.
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this is an amazing thread; I'm on the opposite coast but the gory aftermath of this festival is fascinating; sorry ya'll, sounds like an absolutely shite time.
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After a day to reflect on my comments posted yesterday, I feel I was a little harsh. To specifically call out Ed Levine was wrong, for that I apologize. When frustrated, it's easy to fall into the mob mentality and dogpile on the subject.
It was a frustrating experience, and I do feel much better planning should have taken place. A fall back plan if the wrist bands failed, understanding that such a large volume of tickets solid just days prior to the event could bring a larger than expected initial rush of visitors...but that's all broken record material. I will pursue a refund via Live Nation and once credited, I will move on without a grudge. It was a great idea that has now become a learning experience for all involved.
Cheers,
Sharkraider
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Get your refunds people; but class-action lawsuits?! Give me a break! There is some definite semi-anonymous-mob-mentality going on here now...
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@ beratedlime
Try emailing info@greatamericanfoodandmusicfest.com
This email supposedly goes to Jim Levine, the other organizer of this event. Maybe they will get you instructions on how to obtain that refund. I was lucky I didn't put any money on that wristband.
Thanks again SE for all the helpful info you all been keeping us up to date with regarding refunds! Glad you are on top of it.
P.S.
The story actually made Mornings on 2 (KTVU) today.