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Sneak Peek: Bill's Bar and Burger, Meatpacking District, NYC

Went this evening with my non-burger-eating wife. I had the bill's classic with cheese and disco fries (i went to the gym this afternoon in anticipation of the fries); she had the grouper sandwich and the fried veggies.

I would say the burger is as good as shake shack in terms of beefiness and juicyness. (I should note that I am a fan of a thicker patty, so the shack is not generally in my top 5 anyway.) But, in general, if you put both of them in front of me i'd prolly grab the shack burger first.

Disco fries were good! C'mon, cheese and gravy and potatos. I did not get the sense that the fries we double fried, tho. Could be wrong. We were not too impressed with the fried veggies. Pretty standard - the carrots-tasted-like-the-cauliflower-tasted-like-the-brocolli.

Wife did like her grouper sandwich, as far as she likes sandwiches. Defintiely a fork and knife affair - very drippy with sauces and toppings.

The service was off for us, becasue I think maybe our order did not go in correctly (three tables seated after and ordered after us were served drinks and food before us). However, I will say that I think once they realized this they made efforts. The manager paid us a visit, our server kept us updated. New place, not real fancy, just a hiccup I am sure and they recovered okay.

I'll go back for lunch.

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Is There Any Reason for This to Exist: The Ham Dogger

@Marcus Wow, I was wondering what your thoughts were on chicken, McDonalds, the Swiss, and religon. How'd ya know?

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A Fantastic New York City-Style Burger from HB Burger

@Nick, @jobeth Hey Nick I don't want to turn you great review and what looks like a tasty burger discovery for us local to NYC into a food safety discussion, but you probably have more experience than I on this so I would like to hear your opinion in that I kinda agree with jobeth. It it my understaning, specifically in regards to beef, that bacteria such as e.coli are found only on the surface of the cut. So, with a steak cooked (even rarest of the rare) with an exterior char safely removes any danger of bacteria. However, with ground beef, any bacteria on the surface of the meat is effectively distributed throughout the mix when ground. Hence, you are only really safe if you cook the ground beef to a temerature all the way through that kills the bacteria. Otherwise, your rare in the middle patty can be contaminated. It stands to reason that low volume, high quality butchers exercising care in their handling procedures reduce the risk of exposure to bacteria, but it is not like you can see it. Your thoughts?

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From A Hamburger Today

Sneak Peek: Bill's Bar and Burger, Meatpacking District, NYC

Went this evening with my non-burger-eating wife. I had the bill's classic with cheese and disco fries (i went to the gym this afternoon in anticipation of the fries); she had the grouper sandwich and the fried veggies.

I would say the burger is as good as shake shack in terms of beefiness and juicyness. (I should note that I am a fan of a thicker patty, so the shack is not generally in my top 5 anyway.) But, in general, if you put both of them in front of me i'd prolly grab the shack burger first.

Disco fries were good! C'mon, cheese and gravy and potatos. I did not get the sense that the fries we double fried, tho. Could be wrong. We were not too impressed with the fried veggies. Pretty standard - the carrots-tasted-like-the-cauliflower-tasted-like-the-brocolli.

Wife did like her grouper sandwich, as far as she likes sandwiches. Defintiely a fork and knife affair - very drippy with sauces and toppings.

The service was off for us, becasue I think maybe our order did not go in correctly (three tables seated after and ordered after us were served drinks and food before us). However, I will say that I think once they realized this they made efforts. The manager paid us a visit, our server kept us updated. New place, not real fancy, just a hiccup I am sure and they recovered okay.

I'll go back for lunch.

From A Hamburger Today

Is There Any Reason for This to Exist: The Ham Dogger

@Marcus Wow, I was wondering what your thoughts were on chicken, McDonalds, the Swiss, and religon. How'd ya know?

From A Hamburger Today

A Fantastic New York City-Style Burger from HB Burger

@Nick, @jobeth Hey Nick I don't want to turn you great review and what looks like a tasty burger discovery for us local to NYC into a food safety discussion, but you probably have more experience than I on this so I would like to hear your opinion in that I kinda agree with jobeth. It it my understaning, specifically in regards to beef, that bacteria such as e.coli are found only on the surface of the cut. So, with a steak cooked (even rarest of the rare) with an exterior char safely removes any danger of bacteria. However, with ground beef, any bacteria on the surface of the meat is effectively distributed throughout the mix when ground. Hence, you are only really safe if you cook the ground beef to a temerature all the way through that kills the bacteria. Otherwise, your rare in the middle patty can be contaminated. It stands to reason that low volume, high quality butchers exercising care in their handling procedures reduce the risk of exposure to bacteria, but it is not like you can see it. Your thoughts?

From A Hamburger Today

Sneak Peek: Bill's Bar and Burger, Meatpacking District, NYC

OK, this Bostonian be in the Meatpacking District/Chelsea for one afternoon next weekend, and cannot decide whether to go to Bill's or Shake Shack for a burger.

I'm leaning toward SS. Anybody want to convince me otherwise?

Thanks!

From A Hamburger Today

Sneak Peek: Bill's Bar and Burger, Meatpacking District, NYC

A burger on an english muffin is like a bluegrass band with drums.

Sure, you can do it. Some people may even like it, but it don't make it right.

(Looking at you, Yonder Mountain String Band/Westville!)

From A Hamburger Today

Sneak Peek: Bill's Bar and Burger, Meatpacking District, NYC

I posted my thoughts on this burger to http://irishfatty.blogspot.com - I think your review is spot on though, you can't declare this the best burger until you're tried it a few times, I got the sunset and vine and it was too messy.

From A Hamburger Today

Sneak Peek: Bill's Bar and Burger, Meatpacking District, NYC

Can someone explain exactly how smash grilling works? It seems to be very popular. I see it was described as what Steak & Shake do... I'm really not a fan of Steak & Shake, as I find their product to be too greasy.

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Is There Any Reason for This to Exist: The Ham Dogger

@Kenji: Ima gonna ignore the hamster thing. DOODEEDOOODOOOO

Oh yeah, I did watch the whole video, but without the use of any actual meat/fillings, it didn't leave much of an impression on me. Then again, I'm not the target audience for this thing seeing as I almost never prepare food at home. :(

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Is There Any Reason for This to Exist: The Ham Dogger

@Robyn

Wait a minute - just watched the video. You missed the most important part - turn the top half of the mold upside down, and it allows you to create a trough in the middle of the burger-dog to fill with your favorite toppings, like cheese, bacon, or vegetables! Jucy Lucy Dogs! Incredible!

On a further note of surreality, my wife just came over and asked me to sniff her hamster's butt. It smelled as you would expect.

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Is There Any Reason for This to Exist: The Ham Dogger

@robyn

Hooray for white trash seafood!

That reminds me of salchipapas, which happen to be one of my wife's favorite. I don't know if it's just a Colombian thing, but it's french fries served with hot dogs cut into 2-inch lengths, with each end split like an octodog (though in this case, it's four legs on each end of the 'dog), then deep fried.

The kind of thing she gets to eat only on vacations or birthdays.

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Is There Any Reason for This to Exist: The Ham Dogger

@Kenji: But there is a plastic doohickey that turns hot dogs into OCTODOGS!!!!

Yay human ingenuity.

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Is There Any Reason for This to Exist: The Ham Dogger

@ratbuddy

Beat me to the punch!

The same thing has happened to me numerous times. Extra ground beef in the fridge, and all I got left is hot dog buns.

Actually, I'd imagine that this happens to a lot of people, since hot dogs come in packs of 8 and buns come in packs of 12, or whatever the actual numbers are. Either way, you always end up with too many buns.

Beef, you never have that problem - just grind as much as you need, or pack the burgers bigger or smaller if you need to.

That's probably why nobody has yet invented a plastic doohickey that converts hot dogs into burger-shaped patties - there's just less demand for them.


What with junk food conversions, eskimos, and Marcus from Gävle, this is one of the more surreal SE talks I've seen in a while...

(p.s. - I did understand your post and how you made the connection, Marcus. I suppose doing something like that in Sweden, would cause a greater uproar than in most of the rest of the world. But in the end, if the chickens are still being slaughtered according to Swedish law, is it that bad that they undergo one extra step to make them accessible to a minority? McDonald's does have a history or changing company practices to cater to local populations - it's not unique to Muslems in Sweden)

From A Hamburger Today

Is There Any Reason for This to Exist: The Ham Dogger

Well, you can make fun of my posting... I don't mind. And I understand what you mean. But I wrote that comment because as I understood it, it was a sausage with no ham/pork. Right? I may have got that wrong.

And then I connected that info with something that is on my mind right now and that is that McDonald's here in Sweden is going halal. Chickens slaugthered have to be blessed by Allah. And I think that is wrong. Or at least food for thought...

So meat/beef-sausages worries me! (haha, that sounded kind of weird :) They do! Yes, you can laugh, but they do. No ham/pork and then it's all halal... McDonald's will be the first in line... And I don't like it.

From A Hamburger Today

Is There Any Reason for This to Exist: The Ham Dogger

@DenghisCon and dbcurrie, I was pulling for sex, drugs, rock and roll, and chicken fried steak. Perhaps you could post on some of these other topics Marcus..

From A Hamburger Today

Is There Any Reason for This to Exist: The Ham Dogger

So maybe it helps the meat hold together well. How about making your tuna roll or lobster roll that way? We New Englanders are fond of toasted exterior cut hot dog buns and will put just about anything in them, so why not hamburger?

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Is There Any Reason for This to Exist: The Ham Dogger

@DenghisCon, I was thinking exactly the same thing, except I was hoping for parsley, Olive Garden, Eskimos, and chess tournaments.

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A Fantastic New York City-Style Burger from HB Burger

@NickSolares I couldn't agree with you more. I think rare burgers are the tastiest thing in the world. I've had my fair share of raw burgers and I to this day have never gotten sick from it, in fact that's how I cook my burgers (and steak)! To those who find this repulsive and disgusting, enjoy your tasteless, overcooked, dry, hockey puck burgers!

I'll be making a trip to HBBurgers!

From A Hamburger Today

A Fantastic New York City-Style Burger from HB Burger

Nick, your description of the tasting experience left me almost grossed out with your porn-like rhapsody! That said, I keep scrolling up to read it again. Definitely going to have to experience the porn-y goodness of these burgers soon. Thanks, I think, for the review!

From A Hamburger Today

A Fantastic New York City-Style Burger from HB Burger

@DenghisCon I have been eating rare burgers since I was a teenager (that was back in the 1980's) since reviewing burgers here at AHT I have eaten 100's of burgers always rare when I am given a choice. I have never gotten ill from a hamburger (although I can't say the same thing about pork, which is invariably cooked through) I am not saying that e,coli and other food born illness don't exist but they are far more likely the result of poor hygiene and cross contamination (from raw chicken or eggs for example) For all its faults if you eat meat you have to at least have faith in the USDAs inspection system which monitors any meat you will eat in a hamburger. Now obviously once the meat reaches the restaurant there is the chance of contamination that can effect even in well cooked meat. The point is that a dirty kitchen is dangerous no matter what temp you get your burger. But eating raw or rare meat is not in and of itself a health risk.

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Scammer Robs Restaurants By Lying About Onions in Hamburgers

He made a visit to Toronto too! My brother used to be an employee at McDo's and got that crazy, sent the burger back twice. HE had the allergy then. I guess either he plumped up his story or it's another douche.

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