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Off the Beaten Path: Ming Chan Dong's Giant Kimchi Bun

I had one of these mid last week after reading up on it on chowhound. I really liked the addition of the glass noodles and pork bits. Definitely a good flushing cheap eat.

I then proceeded to go to M & T where I had a delicious meal then got s**tfaced with a group of very nice (and drunk) chinese ladies.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

On seamless web, not sure if its also the rule if you eat it there, Ess-a-Bagel charges 50 cents to melt the cheese if you want to get a tuna melt.

This is almost certainly more ridiculous than charging to toast a bagel, which should be politely discouraged at any self-respecting bagel joint.

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Chefs On Drugs

Not shocking having read Kitchen Confidential. Plus his theory makes sense, people who are willing to try a broad range of foods are also likely willing to try a broad range of substances. The crazy hours probably adds to it too...and unlike the wait staff, you don't have to speak to the customers.

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New York Magazine and Grub Street Pick Notable Burgers from Around the Country

I noticed the jg melon omission too...weak sauce. Zaitseff may have been one of the worst burgers I ever ate!

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From Serious Eats: New York

Off the Beaten Path: Ming Chan Dong's Giant Kimchi Bun

I had one of these mid last week after reading up on it on chowhound. I really liked the addition of the glass noodles and pork bits. Definitely a good flushing cheap eat.

I then proceeded to go to M & T where I had a delicious meal then got s**tfaced with a group of very nice (and drunk) chinese ladies.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

On seamless web, not sure if its also the rule if you eat it there, Ess-a-Bagel charges 50 cents to melt the cheese if you want to get a tuna melt.

This is almost certainly more ridiculous than charging to toast a bagel, which should be politely discouraged at any self-respecting bagel joint.

From Talk

Chefs On Drugs

Not shocking having read Kitchen Confidential. Plus his theory makes sense, people who are willing to try a broad range of foods are also likely willing to try a broad range of substances. The crazy hours probably adds to it too...and unlike the wait staff, you don't have to speak to the customers.

From A Hamburger Today

New York Magazine and Grub Street Pick Notable Burgers from Around the Country

I noticed the jg melon omission too...weak sauce. Zaitseff may have been one of the worst burgers I ever ate!

From A Hamburger Today

'Food Network Magazine' Lists the Best Burgers in the Country

I want to give some more props to Terry's Turf Club in Cincinnati. Holy crap thats a great burger. I was there tonight with a keen eye on the cook. He went about his business perfectly. Great soft, griddled buns. Nice Moderately thin patties on a screaming hot griddle (Tommy told me it was 81/19 black agnus chuck). Flipped once. You can get all kinds of toppings, or just a slice of cheese. Great beer selection and atmosphere. Adam, you would love this place, they do not mess around.

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Has Anyone Had Sister Schubert's Rolls or Marshall's Biscuits?

I have the marshall's rolls in my freezer right now, kind of meh, I should try sister schubert.

From Serious Eats

How to Cold-Brew Iced Coffee

I use the nytimes iced coffee recipe from a few years back. Lately I've been using condensed milk to make vietnamese iced coffee...holy shit if you want iced crack...

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Atlanta: Varasano's Pizzeria Starts Lunch Service Today

I ate there the first weekend. It was pretty good, I'd be willing to give it another shot. I especially liked the clam pizza and the sweet one with figs, i forget what it was called. They were still having some issues with the dough when I went, hopefully its better now.

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Openings: Varasano's Pizzeria, Atlanta

I'm living a little south of atlanta, was planning on making a buford highway excursion this weekend (best pupusas ever imho), i think i'll have to stop here and report back.

From Serious Eats: New York

Azuri Cafe, the Best Falafel in the City?

Doesn't NYC Food Guy's every other post declare something "the best in the city"?

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Super Bowl Snacks: Slow-Fried Buffalo Wings

I was asking about korean fried chicken recipes in the talk section too, but these also sound really good.

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Thanks a lot Duncan, I've been needing to try this.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

I *never* ask Dunkins to toast my bagel. Why? Because the so-called "toasters" at DD are terrible. They turn out charred, spongy bagels - no better than microwaving.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

charging extra for toasting is insane.
but more important is that a toasted bagel should not be shmeared until it is room temperature cream chees should never be melted it is just too gross
also the biggest pet peeve is the fact that the jokers behind the counter put the butter or crean cheese on one side only and then close the bagel and cut it
everybody should know that it does not taste the same as being spread on both sides.
to alweays get it done i have to demand it mostly at murray's
gosh this old fart hates the way bagels have gone downhill
but in flatbush in the 50s and 60s the bagel shop just sold the bagels
you had to go to appetizing stores for everything else
what do you expect from a country where dunkin donuts are the biggest sellers of bagels.
go to maple glen bagels in fair lawn new jersey for the best bagel and lox sandwich in the world
lox from acme on a non toasted flagel with scallion cream chees and very thin red onions and the kicker is hot peppers sliced very thin
sheer bilss
go late morning eat have a cup of coffeeand then walk a few feet to johnny and hanges for the best texas weiners and slaw/sweet relish wash it down with a boylan's birch beer

oh the humanity and sheer joy

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

Why does one have to make those who like their bagels toasted wrong? One is free to have bagels either way; it's still a free country.

"Comrades, comes the revolution you'll all eat strawberries and cream."
(voice from rear) "But I don't like strawberries and cream."
"Comrades, comes the revolution you'll ALL eat strawberries and cream."

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

As a business owner, I understand that you have to do what you have to do to make a living these days. With that said I find it quite unconscionable to charge to toast your bagel... Guess you could just take your own blowtorch with you in the morning and get your toast on for free...

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

charging for a toasted bagel is bogus........will i get a discount if i order my fried egg sanny on wheat bread instead of wheat toast? i have an issue w/places that throw you bagel through the light setting on the toaster which barely warms it and then they say it's toasted. I understand the purist logic of not needing a freshly baked hot bagel toasted but damnit, it's my option to eat it how i want to eat it and toast is crisp and brown, not beige. while i'm at it, soft cookies should be illegal cuz they appear stale to me! I like the crisp texture with my bagels and my cookies!.............

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

I'm a fan of Lenny's sandwiches, but this is definitely not cool. I totally agree with others above, it really doesn't take that much time to toast a bagel and there's nothing keeping them from helping the next customer. They do that anyway when they're making sandwiches. Goodness. I definitely won't be buying a bagel at Lenny's anytime soon.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

I get bagel from Starbucks or Dunkin, sinthe there are not many choices here and it better be toasted. Well, I like them anyway but I can't get over the thought that I wanna try not-toasted-but-taste-good-bagel.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

The current daughter of Russ and Daughters has been recorded as saying that no fresh bagel should ever be toasted: toasting is only for day-old bagels.

But that's not he point. The point is, if you ask for a toasted bagel, should there be a charge for it? And the answer, unequivocally, is NO. That is offensive to the point of insanity.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

One bagel store in NJ charges extra to slice the bagel, so why wouldn't they charge to toast the bagel?

Soon they will charge extra to put it in a bag.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

Ok all of the "cost to run/repair/buy a toaster" arguments are moot. The point is, there is a cost to run a business, period, and those costs should be reflected in cost of ALL sandwiches. Added a 25 cent surcharge doesn't say "we're covering costs", it says "we want to discourage toasting". Let's suppose 1 in 5 people want it toasted, you can charge 25 cents and risk losing half of those people, or 10% of all business, or you can charge everyone 5 cent more. The latter makes more sense - no hurt feelings, customers return. OR you can man up, and eat the 5 cents per bagel from profit so you can put out an attractive product and service that is considered standard.

I can tell you that I have definitely on several occasions opted to walk a block past Murray's to Brooklyn Bagel because of the no-toasting policy at Murray's. Maybe if Murray's was my favorite bagel, I'd tolerate that shit, but it's not.

And czken, I am sorry you're not from New York, but not all of us have time or desire to buy a bagel and fresh cream cheese and tomato and cut it up and assemble our own sandwich wherever it is we will end up eating it.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

Lenny's is ridiculous, the extra 25 charge for toasting is listed on their online menu and so is an extra 50 cents for half and half in some of their coffee drinks. Since when did half and half become high end milk ?

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

I have to say, I have no idea why anyone would get angry about this. Anyone who actually cares about saving money should be happy--you can opt out of the higher-profit-margin options. And it's hardly like this is some mysterious hidden cost: unless you're buying in bulk for your office, it's going to be pretty clear how much your bagel really costs.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

Seriously? A real bagel shop will take the time to turn out a good bagel. That means toasted or untoasted...so if the customer wants the bagel toasted, toast the bagel and don't charge. Really...how much time and effort does it take to toast a bagel? And I agree with a previous commenter...take the time to spread the cream cheese on the bagel.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

I've got to admit, while the idea of charging for toasting sounds crazy, I do get it from a business perspective. It takes an extra step and uses electricity (no matter how minimal). Guess you can say build the cost into the price, but why should people who don't want toasted bagels pay more for the "service" they're not using.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

Hah, the customer is not always right. Besides, what does that have to do with what an establishment charges?

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

Ridiculous. The last time I checked, the customer was supposed to be right. I hope everyone who likes their bagels toasted boycotts that bagel shop. I get really tired of snooty food establishments that think everything has got to be done their way, customer be damned. Sometimes I wish I lived in a big city, but when I read things like this I'm content to stay right here where toasting a bagel for a customer is something you do as part of good service.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

"Charging for toasting is like charging more for a well-done burger, since it takes up more time on the griddle—a real affront to the customer."

Considering bagel shops don't usually serve burgers, I think it's safe to say this comparison is.. moot.


If you want the bagel toasted, they have to run it through a toaster, which uses electricity they have to pay for. If they want to pass the fee on to you- they have that right, and frankly it makes sense.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

adding to the chorus here - toasting a good fresh bagel is complete bullshit.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

I wonder, if I paid an extra 25 cents, would my local shop cut the bagel all the way through for me so I don't have to tear it apart?

Would they put a tolerable amount of cream cheese on it so I don't have to bite into a cream cheese hockey puck?

Would they start to decipher "half the usual amount of cream cheese, please" to mean "half the usual amount spread over the whole bagel", or would they continue to interpret that as "Same thickness of cream cheese, but only on one half of the bagel."?

Would they put the lid on the coffee cup so that the tab isn't over the cup seam?

On another note, there is a difference between the typical mass market doughy "bagel" and a real, true bagel - what we call Montreal style, probably similar to your NY style. I don't consider them to be the same food item. One is a bagel, and the other is a "bagel". I still enjoy them both, but for different reasons! Same name, different food. Kind of like how there's curry, and then there's what you get in England. I still enjoy English curry though :)

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

charging extra to toast a bagel makes about as much sense as charging someone to check a single piece of luggage when they're flying hundreds of miles and intend to be away for several days.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

Yea, also, let's charge more for adding milk to coffee cos it takes longer. Jerks.

I agree that toasting isn't necessarily a good idea, but sometimes I want the sesame or everything coating a lil' browner.

From Serious Eats: New York

Should Bagel Shops Charge For Toasting?

What if it were a 25 cent discount for NOT toasting your bagel? Would that make everyone feel better?
I agree with the general undercurrent here though...if you are already paying 2.50 for a bagel with cream cheese, an extra 25 cents is pretty insulting.

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