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Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
thanks Big B, youre on the right track... FATTY MELT IMITATION IS GOOD! more fatty melts for all! somebody had a good idea, spread the pleasure, who cares who's idea it was. somebody invented the hamburger, the bacon cheeseburger, the patty melt, etc, etc...
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Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
@Adam, uh, why? the second person to make a hamburger should have called it something else? it's a great name, be honored.
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
thanks Big B, youre on the right track... FATTY MELT IMITATION IS GOOD! more fatty melts for all! somebody had a good idea, spread the pleasure, who cares who's idea it was. somebody invented the hamburger, the bacon cheeseburger, the patty melt, etc, etc...
Bobby's Burger Palace
why is this on SE:NY??
Paris Falafel Roundup: Where to Get the Best Falafel in the Marais
My very FIRST falafel was at L'As, back in 1992!!! And it was a special treat for a poor student. Thanks for the memory.
In Videos: Mac vs. PC in Apple Computer Pizza Box Ad
TOO MUCH STUFF ON THIS SITE THAT HAS NOTHING TO DO WITH SERIOUS EATING.
Paul's Da Burger Joint
I could write a treatise on the importance of food texture, but don't have it in me right now.
At least most of us agree that Paul's burger texture is very distinctive. What some call unpleasantly "mushy," I call sublimely moist and tender.
Some comments suggest that there is such a thing as a perfect burger, that a good burger must have certain qualities. But I am sure many would agree with me that burger diversity is a good thing. The world is a better place with both thin and fat patties, charred and crumbly burgers, plain burgers and those with lots of extras, burgers on plain buns and those on fancy brioche... I could go on. Criticism is a good thing, but I don't think there should be many absolute standards for burgers.
Paul's Da Burger Joint
@EasyB
We could have a real debate about all the elements of food that contribute to the sensory experience of eating. To dismiss texture as unimportant suggests a very callow approach to food. Limp bacon? Stale chips? Soggy crust? Icky sushi? Poor texture renders flavor irrelevant.
Fried chicken is a perfect example of the importance of texture. Dense, crispy skin giving way to moist, chewy meat...mmm. Eat a bite with your nose pinched (to minimize sensing the flavor), and I bet you would still quite enjoy it. If fried chicken had the texture of tires, would you order even a single piece????
Paul's Da Burger Joint
One of the best things about Paul's is that it is almost never crowded, so I am tempted to let your review stand and avoid drawing any more crowds to what I think is absolutely one of the best burgers around.
First, yes, I acknowledge that the meat itself is not very flavorful. But, I would venture to claim that beef flavor is not the most important factor in a good burger, and many inexpensive burgers don't have a lot of taste in the patty itself. I say TEXTURE is key to a great burger, and this is where Paul's really excels. Texture is a result of many elements of the preparation, most importantly of course, not overcooking. But you failed to describe Paul's unusual cooking method... they have a bucket of ground beef next to the grill and just scoop it out and throw it down, hardly forming a patty. This results is an extremely loose patty, which in combination with their careful cooking, makes for a perfectly juicy burger which practically melts in your mouth.
The criticism of the small bun is weak. Not a big deal. I'd take a high beef-to-bun ratio over a low ratio, which is a problem at many places, any day.
Agreed, the steak fries aren't great. But you also failed to report that you can order shoestring fries which are excellent - slim and crispy.
Paul's is a great burger because:
1) Unmatched juicy loose texture.
2) Value. Doubt you can get such a hearty cheeseburger deluxe anywhere in the city for less.
3) Atmosphere and service. The waitresses are indeed wonderfully quirky.
4) No wait. Walk right in and sit down. At places like Corner Bistro, I am so desperate for my burger by the time I sit down and get it, I practically swallow it whole, missing the taste!
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
@ratbuddy: Yeah, I guess the picture here doesn't really show the scale of the bread. It is a bit smaller than a normal piece of sandwich bread—probably about 80 percent of the size. So if you imagine how a normal piece of sandwich bread might overhang a typical patty, on the Fatty Melt, it's the opposite, and the patty overhangs the "bun." I think it's a good ratio, since anything bigger bunwise would give you way too much grilled cheese flavor. Or, I guess, you could always up the size of the patty. ;)
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
Haven't got a camera except the horrible one in my phone, but boy were they good. I didn't realize the very thin bread was also very small, so 1 piece of cheese on each 'bun' was perfect, with another folded in quarters inside the patty. Next time, I need to find a beefier tasting beef. The dominant flavor was 'grilled cheese.' I've never had a fatty melt in general, so maybe that's the way they always taste.
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
@ratbuddy: Fucking genius. Pictures? An account of the process/eating?
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
Just invented something I'm about to make for dinner tonight. It's a Fatty Melt, with a Juicy Lucy patty in the middle. I'm calling it the Fat Lucy. You heard it here first.
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
@Adam: No man, I don't think you were whiny. They should have shot you an email or something. You'd think they'd be excited to share with you the fact that they're putting a fatty melt on their menu.
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
Meh, I still say they're dirty rotten scoundrels for ripping it off wholesale, and calling it the same thing :P
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
@joylissa: Thanks for the sympathy, but I'm afraid I brought this on myself! ;)
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
poor adam :(
everybody chill like a pill...
Vive le Fatty Melt!
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
@skizziks: Honestly, I don't know if I was asking for them to credit it. I think I just got bent out of shape when Ratbuddy emailed me and I wanted to vent.
I agree—it would be ridiculous for them to put an asterisk on the menu next to the name and have a footnote at the bottom relating the burger's history and progenitors. Like you said, then when does it stop? I was just being whiny about it.
I suppose when the Fatty Melt takes over the world (and ultimately becomes lowercase because it is so well known and exists as a commonplace item), AHT may go down as a footnote in history along with Mossy Creek, etc. And this very thread may then give future historians something to reference when writing a burger history ebook or cyberbrainwave or whatever they'll use 100 years from now.
I didn't take your comments as a dig on my work here and did feel a little bad about the "I don't care" cop out. But, sure, you all have helped me come down from the ledge, so I'm not as worried about this anymore.
The important thing now is to see the fatty melt spread far and wide.
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
@Adam: Oh man, don't be that way. I haven't even compared you to Hitler yet.
Seriously though, your burger evangelism is vital reading--I was totally not kidding about your writing convincing me to make a fatty melt for myself last weekend. I'm just skeptical that it's practical--or even appropriate--for a restaurant to give your blog credit for a menu item, considering the thousands (or millions) of other cases in which restaurants copy someone else's idea without giving explicit credit. I absolutely do not mean that as a dig on your work.
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
@skizziks: I don't care anymore. You guys have beaten me down.
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
@Adam: No, I'm seriously curious what the proper etiquette is here. It seems fair for Max Burger to give props to you in their menu, but then shouldn't they also be giving equal or greater props to the Mossy Creek Cafe? And why stop there--I'm sure everything on their menu originated in some other kitchen (apart from minor adjustments).
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
@ Adam. It was good, but it could have been much better. The burger was overcooked and it suffers from being a pre-made frozen puck. However, Rich (the chef at the Italian club I belong to) did the best he could with the ingredients at hand. The good news is, he said anytime he has fresh ground beef he will use it, or if I want to bring my own in, he'll use that.
Also, since adding it to the secret menu almost two months ago, he has made at least one a week. The name is still up in the air, but, he call's it a Big Woolly Melt. I can pretty much guarantee you that I'm never going to order it that way. Too embarrassing. ;)
One final note. After eating it, I do feel about three seconds of shame & about fifteen minutes of ogeda. But my smile lasts all day long.
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
@skizziks: Thanks for the link. You have shown me the light.
@BigWoollyMammoth: AWESOME. I love how lightly toasted the GC component is. Just how I like mine. How was it?
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
So I'm still unclear: what did they steal exactly?
It's not the sandwich; that existed before in at least one place.
It's not the name; places like this used the name earlier (c'mon, you didn't expect people to believe nobody used the term "fatty melt" before) :
http://www.thehubaustin.com/hub_menu.pdf
So what is there to get angry about--that someone copied a particular juxtaposition of pre-existing name and pre-existing recipe? And Adam's also annoyed because they modified it?
All that said, I made myself a fatty melt last weekend, and it was great, and I owe it all to Adam Kuban and AHT. Thanks!
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
@Spyce: I think it would be a rather large coincidence, seeing as how the original Chubby Melt was rather obscure until AHT modified it, renamed it FATTY MELT, and then it blew up virally all over the web. That's why.
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
I think we all need to follow @srisinger's lead and make Fatty Melts. To do anything else would be a crime.
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
Why are you so certain that you these people "ganked" the name Fatty Melt? Much in the same way that a person may have to select a different login name because their original creation has already been taken, isn't it possible that the same thing occurred in this situation? Maybe they saw the chubby melt and did the same thing, modified the name.
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
@jumpyfroggy: I could add it to Urban Dictionary, but I think it would be against the Wiki way for me to add it myself there.
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
you should add an entry for "fatty melt" in wikipedia and urban dictionary.
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
@srisinger: GO FATTY MELT!
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
Adam wins!
... Okay, I'm way too late for this conversation. Regardless, I'm making a Fatty Melt this weekend for my wife and me!
Vive le Fatty Melt!
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
Haha, I win. but really, Adam wins.
Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off
I have been thinking about this on and off for the last couple of hours.
"Another way of looking at it is that you are responsible for creating a phrase that has/will become a regular part of the American vernacular..."
I like that.
Let a million Fatty Melts blossom!
Vive le Fatty Melt!
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@Adam, uh, why? the second person to make a hamburger should have called it something else? it's a great name, be honored.