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Weekend Cook and Tell: Thanksgiving Pregame

PPS.
KitchenWitch, I realized I posted a picture of the stuffing last year and thought maybe you would seeing it (and then run screaming from the building).

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Weekend Cook and Tell: Thanksgiving Pregame

PS.
@Katieelbie- I think it's nice that you bring what people tell you when you are a guest. I never learned to do that; I always tell them what I am bringing.

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Weekend Cook and Tell: Thanksgiving Pregame

Yes, KitchenWitch, the stuffing is green. It has spinach and tons of parsley in it and is the texture of stove-top. It was my great-grandmother's (Portuguese) creation, similar to "bread sauces" served in Spain and England. Nigella Lawson would love it.

The pumpkin bread pudding is based on the recipe for Swiss Pumpkin that appeared in one of Ruth Reichl's books. I have the original recipe online (link below), but I have not attempted the sweet version before, so basically I am going to wing it.

I will leave out the cheese, change the bread to challah, add some sugar to the custard mixture, and I am thinking of smearing the inside of the pumpkin with butter then dusting it with cinnamon sugar. I'm going to make a ginger creme anglaise to serve with it. If anyone else decides to wing it, start a thread here afterwards so we can compare notes.

The recipe is not long, but it contains a lot of words because that's just how I talk. http://catboyskitchen.wordpress.com/2008/11/18/swiss-pumpkin/

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Weekend Cook and Tell: Thanksgiving Pregame

PPS.
KitchenWitch, I realized I posted a picture of the stuffing last year and thought maybe you would seeing it (and then run screaming from the building).

http://dextershaven.wordpress.com/2008/12/01/1528/

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Weekend Cook and Tell: Thanksgiving Pregame

PS.
@Katieelbie- I think it's nice that you bring what people tell you when you are a guest. I never learned to do that; I always tell them what I am bringing.

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Weekend Cook and Tell: Thanksgiving Pregame

Yes, KitchenWitch, the stuffing is green. It has spinach and tons of parsley in it and is the texture of stove-top. It was my great-grandmother's (Portuguese) creation, similar to "bread sauces" served in Spain and England. Nigella Lawson would love it.

The pumpkin bread pudding is based on the recipe for Swiss Pumpkin that appeared in one of Ruth Reichl's books. I have the original recipe online (link below), but I have not attempted the sweet version before, so basically I am going to wing it.

I will leave out the cheese, change the bread to challah, add some sugar to the custard mixture, and I am thinking of smearing the inside of the pumpkin with butter then dusting it with cinnamon sugar. I'm going to make a ginger creme anglaise to serve with it. If anyone else decides to wing it, start a thread here afterwards so we can compare notes.

The recipe is not long, but it contains a lot of words because that's just how I talk. http://catboyskitchen.wordpress.com/2008/11/18/swiss-pumpkin/

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Weekend Cook and Tell: Thanksgiving Pregame

KitchenWitch, congratulations on being able to do your dream Thanksgiving. (Although, your cranberry stance riddles me with dismay and confusion.)

I never host Thanksgiving but I cook a good portion of it. I am in charge of my grandmother's dressing/stuffing (which scares most first timers because it is very moist and sort of olive green in color), dinner rolls (I have no idea why they are required with bread stuffing and two kinds of potatoes on the menu, but at least if I make them they will be homemade), two varieties of cranberry sauce, pecan and mince pies, and a bread pudding baked inside a pumpkin. Also, I bring the bourbon.

For a community center dinner, I am making 8 to 10 pies (pumpkin and coconut pecan), and instant mashed potatoes. The instant potatoes are a donation so I have to cook what they give me, but I add butter and half & half which seems to help somewhat.

The bread and pastry doughs have been in the freezer for a week. The pumpkin was roasted, pureed and frozen on Monday. I made the cranberry sauces yesterday. Tuesday I prep the stuffing ingredients. Wednesday I bake pies and dinner rolls.

Thursday morning, I drink tea with liquor in it and look for Bullwinkle on the TV while I mix up the stuffing and make instant potatoes with vast amounts of butter. Friday I eat pie for breakfast.

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SHOULD I BLOG ABOUT THIS?

You really should stay away from anything with the word frugal in it-- not only did a well-known cook have a show with that in the title, but he was later arrested for lewd conduct with minors. It's not a good association.

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Thansgiving menu - I think I'm missing something...

I think some people misunderstood the question since she did not ask what she should remove from her menu, rather what she should add.

I think onions as their own side would be a nice addition. You could go the creamed onion route, or something lighter. I recently made onions that are slowly braised in sugar, seasonings and vinegar. It was particularly good-- if you want me to post the recipe let me know.

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What is your stance on "tipping"?

I tip well; not excessively well, because I have never had a great deal of money, but unless you have done something very bad you will not get less than 15 to 20% from me.

I believe the service can be as important as the food with regard to the overall experience so I like to reward those who make it a good experience. And when I have been at my most cash-poor I have taken into account how the tip will figure in when ordering so I knew I would still have enough money for a decent tip.

Additionally, if I am dining alone and taking up a table that would otherwise hold two or more people, I add a bit more. (And ever since I hit 40, If someone asks me for my ID when I order a drink, it's an automatic 25% tip.)

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Green Tomato Ideas Needed

Green tomatoes make a nice gratin. Layer them in a shallow casserole, sprinkling with fresh herbs, garlic, etc. and a drizzle of olive oil, then top with breadcrumbs that you've seasoned and tossed with melted butter. Bake until brown on top and tender. I think Shelia Lukins did a version of this (USA Cookbook most likely) in which she added crumbled bacon to the top during the last few minutes of cooking.

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SHOULD I BLOG ABOUT THIS?

Someone once told me that if you have something to say that nobody else is saying, say it. That may be an oversimplification, but it's sound advice.

My own advice is to ask yourself what you want from the blog. Do you want to be the next Smitten Kitchen, Chocolate and Zucchini, or Pioneer Woman--a blog with thousands of readers and the possibility that it will lead to notoriety or income?

Or would you be happy if a couple dozen people showed up regularly and told you that you do something they value. If you're happy with the latter go for it, if you want the former, be aware that they are the exception to the rule, that there are thousands of food bloggers nobody has ever heard of.

Good luck.

How about "The Fearless Foodie" or "Cooking by the Seat of My Pants."

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Pumpkin Pie Alternatives for Thanksgiving

I roasted one of those big French pumpkins yesterday and it's true that it takes a little time (mainly, letting it sit in a colander to drain after cooking since it has a lot of water in it), but it's only once a year and the color of pie is a gorgeous orange you don't get from canned pumpkin.

PS. I don't actually eat pumpkin pie (hate it); I make them for a community center dinner.

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Funniest Thanksgiving

Funniest Thanksgiving memory for me was when I make a casual comment about "Grandma's first husband" and discovered that several members of my family were not aware Grandma had a husband other than Grandpa.

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Pre-Thanksgiving Cocktail, what's it going to be?

My Thanksgiving cocktail of choice is called Plymouth Rocks, something I created a few years ago with what I had on hand at the time.

Fo six cocktails, stir together over ice-- 3/4 cup Maker's Mark or Wild Turkey, 1/4 cup Cointreau, the juice of half an orange, and several dashes of bitters (I use either orange bitters or Peychauds). Strain into chilled cocktail glasses and top with sparkling apple cider.

You can skip the cointreau, increase the orange juice a bit and add an ounce or two of simple syrup if you prefer.

I like Sazerac cocktails, too. They always make my relatives seem much wittier to me.

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Cranberry side dishes

That applesauce sounds good.

My idea is along the same lines, but entirely different (if that makes any sense at all). For a birthday dinner I once cooked, I poached pears in a sugar syrup flavored with fresh ginger. Once cooled, cut in half and core them and fill with a cranberry compote. (Basically, the compote *is* a cranberry sauce, but maybe stuffed into a pear it would have broader appeal.) For convenience sake, I undercooked the pears, made the whole thing ahead of time and baked them to reheat.

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Where Does Your Thanksgiving Loyalty Lie?

Homemade cranberry sauce and pie are my only requirements, although once a year I do look forward to making my grandmother's stuffing which is of Portuguese origin and, green. As in green.

This year I am making mince pies (from David Lebovitz's recipe for mincemeat), my own pecan pie (I use treacle rather than corn syrup) and bread pudding baked within a pumpkin. I should probably make a sweet potato pie too; breakfast for the next day.

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Taste Test: Cheap But Good Olive Oils

For those who have Middle Eastern markets nearby, they are a very good source for reasonably priced olive oils. They usually fall into the buttery category as far as flavor goes, but for a general olive oil to use in cooking of all sorts, it is my go-to oil.

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Nationwide Shortage of Canned Pumpkin Threatens Thanksgiving Pies

I have seen this story in three different places and very few people mention the obvious solution: use a fresh pumpkin. You bake it, you mash it, you use it.

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Making Plum Jam...

I guess I'm a bit late, but for future use- when I make plum jam (and I did last week) I don't bother with pectin. I cut the plums in half, throw them (pit, skins and all) in a pot, add about 1/2 cup water just to get things going and simmer until they are very tender.

I pick out the pits, and push the rest through a sieve (if you have a foodmill this will go quicker, but a food processor just shreds the skin). For each cup of the puree, add 1/2 to 2/3 cups of sugar depending on how tart you like it and how tart the plums you are using are to begin with.

I cook it until it is as thick as I want it and add fresh lemon juice (maybe 1 lemon for each quart). That's pretty much it.

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Best food for a stomach ache?

Rice. Cook it with a bit more water than you normally would so it's a bit soupy. It is bland, bulking, and the starch helps to absorb toxins.

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Excellent line-up, although I think there should be some chocolate in there somewhere.

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Funeral food?

I'm sorry to hear of your loss. Glad you're taking something for the family- yesterday was my aunt's funeral and between myself and a handful of close friends of my family we made enough food to serve everyone after the funeral and to feed the family for a day or two after. They were relieved they could just concentrate on the funeral itself.

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Her recipes have seen my family through some of our happiest and saddest events. Ironically, I walked in from my aunt's funeral today where I served several of Sheila's dishes, including her mom's carrot cake and saw her obituary posted on facebook. It made a sad day much sadder.

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Pasta Substitution Dessert Advice

I have a recipe that needed ultra fine pasta and I was able to find something that fit the bill both in a Latin and Middle Eastern markets- I live in California so I can't speak for availablity everywhere.

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Despite the fact that I am a meat eater, I tend to agree with producestories- it's been my experience that more people who eat meat will criticize and try to convert non-meat eaters than the other way around.

The only vegans I have ever found to be in-your-face about trying to convert anyone are those who post themselves outside butcher shops or food festivals, and they really fall into the category of hardcore activist. You can't compare them to the average vegan anymore than you can the guy on the street shouting scripture while holding a sign reading "the end is near" to the average church-goer.

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Weekend Cook and Tell: Thanksgiving Pregame

@katie...stuffing will be a little gooey,but still good,but the sprouts will definitely be gross...they do not reheat well.

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What is your stance on "tipping"?

The free online dictionary defined gratuity as "a favor or gift, usually in the form of money, given in return for service." If it's required then it isn't a favor or a gift, it's a fee. So @mongoose is correct.

As for the article... A 18% gratuity on their $73.87 tab would have been $13.29, not the $16.35 they were charged so that's unfair to the customers. The article I first read about the incident mentioned that the group waited over an hour for salads and wings, that their waitress went out for a cigarette break instead of bringing their napkins/silverware/etc, and that they had to go to the bar to get their drinks because no one was around to wait on them.

Yes waitstaff deserve a break but leaving a group of people for an hour without any service is irresponsible. Not bringing your table the items they require like drinks or silverware or their food is irresponsible. The restaurant barely did what they were supposed to do. The customers should not be required to pay. I think they should have complained to a manager and pointed out the math error in the bill and explained why they were refusing to tip instead of just walking out.

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Weekend Cook and Tell: Thanksgiving Pregame

On Tuesday I have to drive two hours to my parents' house, but on Wednesday I'm going to make the brine, bake two pies (Toll House Cookie and Pumpkin; I might bake an apple pie as well, but that's a pie we buy from a local farm), and make the cranberry sauce. I'm trying to find some way I can make the brussels sprouts and the stuffing ahead of time, but I don't know how to reheat those without making them taste gross.

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Weekend Cook and Tell: Thanksgiving Pregame

My Thanksgiving is pot luck, so I'm actually cooking my own turkey and sides this weekend so I'll have plenty of leftovers and meals to put up.

The things I make in a leisurely way in advance are:
1) the squash, which takes up either a burner or the oven, (and which doesn't suffer at all from being made early). Nuke to reheat.
2)the rutabaga, which I boil or steam cubed and then reheat and mash when I want it ready,
3) the whole cranberry sauce.
4) Apple pie filling. For myself I don't actually bake a pie for Thanksgiving. I'd rather have a second helping of stuffing. But I make a casserole full of apple pie filing - sliced apples, white and brown sugar, minute tapioca, a little cinnamon. I like to add this to my frozen Thanksgiving meals too.
5) Sometimes I make bread in advance so I can cube and dry it for stuffing. Sometimes I buy bagged and supplement it with a good bread.

The just leaves the stuffing, the potatoes, the sweet potatoes and something green to cook while the turkey is in the oven, and this is quite manageable. I microwave the sweet potatoes in slices, which is how I usually cook them. I cook the giblets and neck for the broth, and saute onions and celery and get the stuffing ready to go in the oven near the end of the turkey time, or put it in the oven when the turkey comes out if I'm cooking a huge turkey. I make the gravy from the pan juices once the turkey comes out and is resting.

One tradition of our potlucks is a fresh fruit salad with a pineapple juice custard folded with whipped cream for a topping. Makes a nice bright counterpoint to the heavier starches.

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Weekend Cook and Tell: Thanksgiving Pregame

Need the bread pudding in a pumpkin recipe. Do you always use the same size pumpking? Use a sugar (pie) pumpkin or any old thing? How do you tell when the custard is done - do you use a thermometer?

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What is your stance on "tipping"?

I live in NYC and tip an amount that is double the tax (always rounding up to a whole dollar amount). Coins are tacky. Service jobs are hard, physical (and often emotional) work. I get genuinely nauseated when someone tips less than 15% for average to great service. At my favorite places, I have tipped 50%.

If you frequent a particular restaurant, tip well. It's worth every penny. Remember dining out is not just about feeding your face. It's an experience.

Don't try to justify your bad decorum. If you're too cheap to tip the recommended 18% pre-tax gratuity for decent service, for the love of gastronomy just go to supermarket and buy a frozen TV dinner.

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What is your stance on "tipping"?

Thanks PDX. I was feeling beaten up for stating the facts.

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What is your stance on "tipping"?

I agree, honeycrisp. I definitely judge people based on their tips. I would kick a cheapskate date to the curb, and I avoid dining out with friends whose tipping is crappy, because I am filled with anxiety when the check arrives.

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What is your stance on "tipping"?

Don't you think waiters would like a guaranteed wage? The tipping system sucks. And the tips I got were then dispersed to the bartender, the host, the bussers, the dishwashers and the cooks. And those people made above minimum wage. I tipped them from my tips because it would insure prompt service when I needed it. We weren't required to tip them out where I worked, though I've heard more corporate places require it. We all took care of each other. So a bad tipper is known restaurant-wide, or even city wide because we all hung out together. I found that most people were generous, that 20% to 25% was common. I tip at least 30% because it's only a few extra dollars on top of what I was going to spend on the meal anyway. It's not a big deal. I find that commentors who get worked up about the tip system are generally trying to justify their actions. I would never date someone who calculated a tip down to the percentage before tax. It really tells me a lot about that person.

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Weekend Cook and Tell: Thanksgiving Pregame

CatBoy: green stuffing? Dude! You are killing me, here! I do, however, thoroughly endorse your T-day morning ritual! :)

Katieelby: Pumpkin Martini? Do share!

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What is your stance on "tipping"?

I hate the whole tipping custom. I would much rather pay one person (the restaurant owner) enough to cover the REAL cost of my meal AND the service. Instead, I have to pay both the restaurant owner (for the food and setting) as well as the server and whoever else gets a share, over which, please note, I as customer have no control, although how much I leave in addition to the price of the meal is supposedly a response to only the server's behavior. AND, I have to do the math, which I don't enjoy. Also, I hate the idea of having to give a free job performance review at the end of a meal (I hate doing that at work, too, but that's another story; at least I have gotten paid for it).

That said, I usually tip 20% if the service is average to good, maybe a bit less if it isn't, because those in the biz didn't set the rules and it's not fair to punish them for working under stupid conditions. But I still hate the whole darn thing. We are chumps to put up with it, but I don't know how to change it.

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Weekend Cook and Tell: Thanksgiving Pregame

@CatBoy- I want the bread pudding inside a pumpkin recipe!
@Katieelby- what's in a pumpkin martini????

I got a head start two weeks ago with making chicken stock.

Tonight the fun begins:
I have drafted my sister into helping me chop apples and other things for Cranberry Chutney, followed by regular cranberries.

After that, i'll make bread for breadcrumbs on and picking up the Turkey on Sunday. Then, because work is mercifully slow, i'm taking Wednesday off to prep my stuffing and get the turkey ready.

Thursday is stuffing the turkey, putting the bird in the ice chest, picking up my brother from the airport, and driving the hour and a half to my parents house. From there, it's into the oven, and gravy will be made after that.

My mom, on the other hand, will be spending the weekend making pie crusts and cleaning house (the worst part of all!).

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What is your stance on "tipping"?

i always tip 20% unless the person is outright rude. but even then, i decide that i am really lucky that i don't have to carry heavy trays, deal with rude customers or angry managers, or work for $3/hr and even if it is the waitress' or waiter's choice to be there, a few extra dollars may mean I can't buy a back of gum later or something but it sure is going to make their night. Tipping isn't a big deal. It's about being nice and throwing someone who works a difficult and demeaning job a little kindness. so, be "precise" about your math if you want to but if you don't want to tip, you shouldn't go to a restaurant.

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What is your stance on "tipping"?

I tip well (18-20%) by and large - since I too have worked in service jobs and know how hard it can be.

However, I will leave a low tip (5% or so) or no tip for bad service (rude, slow, inattentive, errors), and I don't feel badly about it. If you chose to work a job where your tip is like your commission, you need to EARN it, find a new job, or quit whining about getting low tips. If you do a crappy job, you don't deserve a good tip. Plain and simple.

From Talk

What is your stance on "tipping"?

"it's not tipping I believe in, it's OVER tipping!" - Vincent Antonelli aka Todd Wilkinson

I kind of feel the same way.

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Pumpkin Pie Alternatives for Thanksgiving

Don't forget the citrus! We have big lemon fans in my family and it's really nice after a big meal. I'm making my own meyer lemon curd this year *fingers crossed*.

From Talk

What is your stance on "tipping"?

Generally I tip well and because I treat the wait staff well I normally receive good service. Both my foster daughter and my sister are waitresses and I am well aware of how hard their jobs are. I would say I normally tip a little above the 20% level.

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Funniest Thanksgiving

Late to the party on this one, but here goes... about six years ago, my mom's new boyfriend came to our family Thanksgiving for the first time with his nine-year-old son. My family is fairly uptight, so this guy had everyone's eyebrows raised with his motorcycle-ridin', rock'n'rollin' ways. We're at the feast, the grandparents, aunts, uncles, and cousins are tolerating him, and our quietly formal Thanksgiving meal is proceeding, when all of a sudden during a lull in conversation the nine-year-old goes "Hey, Daddy, remember when I found cocaine on your dresser?" Completely out of the blue. Ensue awkward silence. The boyfriend finally musters a halfhearted, "I don't know what you're talking about, son," to which the kid responds, "Yes, you do! It was in a little baggie and you said it was Uncle Dave's." The boyfriend was speechless. The entire table cracked up, and someone changed the subject, but it was never forgotten.

That was not the last Thanksgiving we had with them, but unfortunately, nobody ever told any more drug stories.

From Talk

What is your stance on "tipping"?

I have been known to avoid restaurants that describe their wait-staff as 'waitrons'... 'wait-person' is nearly as horrible and dehumanizing, and I remain stunned that those to whom it refers appear to eagerly embrace the term. 'Waiter' is pretty dam' close to gender neutral, so why come up with a term that makes the person serving me sound like a soulless machine?! Absurd.

From Talk

What is your stance on "tipping"?

If it is required, it is not a gratuity, it is a service fee, and should be described as such.

I worked, very briefly, as a waitress. It was an appalling job in a small diner, the sort of place where couples would bring their colection of feral children, order things, send them back, shatter glasses, swear at the staff... and leave a religious tract as a tip. No kidding. After half a day of this, I begged to change my position to busboy (girl? juvenile? whatever...).

So, I do understand that waiting tables can be demanding, and is frequently grotesquely underpaid. For good service, I tip 20% (or a dollar, if 20% is less than that, e.g. if I just get coffee). But I do NOT tip well (rarely, not at all) for bad service (I don't lump bad coordination/luck--hey, accidents happen--having way too many tables to serve, kitchen-related issues, or even what appears to be congenital idiocy against a waiter/ress). If they're clearly trying to be professional and courteous, well, that works for me.
Poor service (rude, ignores diners, etc.), poor tip.

Frankly, I prefer to eat at restaurants where the waitstaff is paid a proper living wage, not 'waitress wages', but that is stll pretty rare in the US.

(And you do NOT want to get me started on the tip cups/jars that are to be found in coffee shops everywhere.)

From Talk

Thansgiving menu - I think I'm missing something...

I think a few things are missing from the main meal that makes it imbalanced, at least for me.

- texture. I realize that everything has a texture, including water, but none of the dishes have any snap or crunch
- a little sweetness
- something cool
- color

A leafy salad would help take care of them all if you make something simple like...romaine, roasted red bell peppers, black pepper, and a vinaigrette (or Caesar). Other crunchy stuff to add would be red onions, croutons, apples, or nuts. Cranberry vinaigrette wouldn't be bad depending on what you put in the salad. Or using sliced figs, even mandarin oranges.

From Talk

Weekend Cook and Tell: Thanksgiving Pregame

CatBoy: you make bread pudding inside a pumpkin!? That sounds fantastic - and what a presentation!

Mom hosts TG every year, so I basically do what she tells me. Last year, I brought pumpkin martinis. This year, I'm making pecan pie and (of course) more martinis.

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