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Why Can't You Get a Good Slice Outside New York City? 'Wired' Magazine Says It's the Water
Must...defend Binghamton..LOL. True, most of the pizza places there serve the local variant of "sheet" pizza, but one of the best pies I've ever had used to come from a local place (now closed, sadly) called Marnelli's. The whole place was like it had been airlifted from Brooklyn and dropped in downtown Binghamton (where, btw, the local water is barely drinkable).
Personally, I think that the flour is the key to it all when making pizza.
Old Forge, Pennsylvania: The Pizza Capital of the World
I used to live one town over, in Taylor, PA. Hated Old-Forge style pizza and was glad to get back to upstate New York where I could get something better. Still searching for great pizza now that I'm here in San Francisco...
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
Here's another vote for Binghamton, New York's "sheet pizza"- I moved away from the area last year, and what I wouldn't give right now for a couple of slices from Nirchi's. As regards Old Forge pizza, all I can say from having lived in the area at one time is- yuck.
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Ted's Steamed Cheeseburgers; Meriden, Connecticut
I'm not crazy about the idea of a steamed burger, but I suppose I'd try it if given the chance. Meanwhile, I so want some of those home fries, which are something that are darned near impossible to find here on the west coast.
Why Can't You Get a Good Slice Outside New York City? 'Wired' Magazine Says It's the Water
Must...defend Binghamton..LOL. True, most of the pizza places there serve the local variant of "sheet" pizza, but one of the best pies I've ever had used to come from a local place (now closed, sadly) called Marnelli's. The whole place was like it had been airlifted from Brooklyn and dropped in downtown Binghamton (where, btw, the local water is barely drinkable).
Personally, I think that the flour is the key to it all when making pizza.
Old Forge, Pennsylvania: The Pizza Capital of the World
I used to live one town over, in Taylor, PA. Hated Old-Forge style pizza and was glad to get back to upstate New York where I could get something better. Still searching for great pizza now that I'm here in San Francisco...
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
Here's another vote for Binghamton, New York's "sheet pizza"- I moved away from the area last year, and what I wouldn't give right now for a couple of slices from Nirchi's. As regards Old Forge pizza, all I can say from having lived in the area at one time is- yuck.
Ted's Steamed Cheeseburgers; Meriden, Connecticut
Please update the website reference...its www.tedsrestaurant.com. Thanks.
Ted's Steamed Cheeseburgers; Meriden, Connecticut
I've eaten countless Ted's burgers. I love them. I do agree with SOME of your gripes. However, the moistness of the burger is perfect if it's served when ready. It's prepared in STEAM man..it loses the fatty liquid but gets infused with H20 in the process which creates moisture. So I disagree with your opinion there. The shape of the burger is something I've always disagreed with. It does not fit the bun correctly. A simple adjustment to the shape of the "tray" that the burger is steamed with will solve this issue. It needs to be more square to fill out the surface of the bun. Besides the shape issue, the burger is fantastic. The cheese is unique and combines with the meat better than any other option. The bun may be a bit overized and "fluffy" but it does a good job containing the gooiness. You need a tougher bun than usual when dealing with melted cheese. I'd assume the shape issue has alot to do with not changing the rich history of the burger and restaurant. And that is what Ted's offers..a classic, unchanged experience. Overall, the Burger is unique, MOIST, and extremely delicious. A definite must have for burger lovers looking for something different.
Ted's Steamed Cheeseburgers; Meriden, Connecticut
i was REALLY REALLY disappointed:
http://www.yelp.com/user_details?userid=KYBEVBAP7QUlt1LjmatTJg
Old Forge, Pennsylvania: The Pizza Capital of the World
Follow up on Old Forge Pizza: On my second attempt at eating Old Forge Pizza, I tried Ravello's, within a block from Gighiarelli's. The cheese is a cloying combination of Cheddar and American. Crust was heavy and leaden. The sauce retained the oniony tang from across the street. But this was a very different experience. Maybe the worst pizza I've ever had. If this had been my first experience eating Old Forge Pizza, it would have been my last.
Old Forge, Pennsylvania: The Pizza Capital of the World
I just returned from trying Old Forge pizza in Old Forge itself, at a place called Gighiarelli's. There are two other places across the street from each other about half a block away. Friday night about 9pm, lots of cars parked near here, but when I went in, the place was deserted except for one couple. Bare walls, no menu, so the waitress comes up to us and asks, "do you want a tray?" I figured this meant pizza, but I asked if they had a menu, and the woman -with only a grunt- fetched a small placecard from another table. Spaghetti, meatballs, suasage and peppers, maybe some gnocchi too, as well as a few subs, but I got the impression nobody looks at these items. The other couple was eating only pizza. We went the simple route, no toppings.
The pizza is served on a rectangular tray and looks like it came out of an Easy Bake Oven. I am positive some folks would be shocked to see this being served, much less touted as a serious food.
I have to say that I fell in love with it. Despite the thick crust, it is airy and light and crispy on the bottom. The tomato sauce is oniony in an unusual and tangy way. The cheese is grainy. It is a large pizza, but is eaten quickly and easily because of the its lightness.
If you go, and I think you should, try to think of it as another food. One that is more enjoyable than 95% of other pizza out there if you are open to the experience.
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
This is an awesome page. My comment though is related to the DC jumbo slice. I can confirm that this is the appropriate style for this region as I have spent much time over the years in DC. Their slices at many pizzerias are the size of two average slices. They make a killing off of selling them to the college students. If a 16 inch pie normally has 8 slices, a DC pizza has 4.
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Old Forge, Pennsylvania: The Pizza Capital of the World
Interesting thread going here. I've lived near Old Forge all my life and within Old Forge the past 4 years. I'm 3 blocks from the "Revello's" mentioned in several of the posts above. Yes, Old Forge is the self-proclaimed "Pizza Capitol of the World", and with good reason - there simply is good pizza to be had here. But as with anything, good is relative. If your favorite pizza is New York style, where you fold a thin slice in half and enjoy it as the grease rolls down your arm - then you probably won't find Old Forge style pizza to your liking. Old Forge Pizza is baked in a cookie sheet type pan, so it is "square" like sicilian pizza. But it's not as thick as sicilian pizza. But it is thicker than New York style round pizza. It also uses pure tomato sauce - so the tomato flavor is full. The sauce isn't spiced up with tons of seasonings. Another difference is the cheese. Most pizza places in Old Forge use a form of American cheese called Brick cheese. It adds a distinct flavor to the cheese. Between Revello's Rinaldi's, Arcaro & Genell, Brutico's, Salerno's Mary Ann's, Augustine's, etc. - the consistently best pizza here can be found at Ghiagerelli's - across the street from Revello's.
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
I grew up outside of East Liverpool Ohio, I never realized that pizza was made any other way until I moved to college. Bruno's pizza was a friday staple growing up, so much that now when I go home to visit my parents, my mother always picks up a tray. The best part if Ohio River Valley Pizza, is that it tastes just as good the next day out of the fridge! Home pizza in St. Clairsville is VERY good as well. I live in Columbus now, and the pizza just doesn't get to that level, but there is a DiCarlo's off of 256 in Pickerington, although I have not had it.
If anybody passes through Athens Ohio, Goodfella's pizza is a must. They sell by the slice, and it is close to Ohio Valley style, but they use a much thicker sauce. It was perfect after a night uptown at the bars.
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
I just read comment above...(tomdobb)I didn't eat pizza when i came to Columbus but in Canton, Ohio u will get authentic Italian pizza made by the best owned italian family restaurants.
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
Ohio pizza is the best....They actually have some really good pizza places there...The problem that i have is....i'm not there anymore =(....I'm in San antonio,Tx and there is one good pizza place [[Pizzabella]].They have the jumbo thin crust pizza...Its good but nothing like Canton Ohio's Papa Bears Pizza Oven , Wacos Pizza, East of Chicago,Napolians,So many different styles of pizza. And they don't have it in the south =(....
Ted's Steamed Cheeseburgers; Meriden, Connecticut
Indeed everyone is entitled to their own opinion. I for one think they are delicious and suggest if you are in the area to consider eating there.
Old Forge, Pennsylvania: The Pizza Capital of the World
Grrrrrrrrrrrrrr. I was just in the area yesterday touring a college with my son and I forgot that Scranton was where it can be had. I've been wanting to try it since I read Adam's piece last year. Sorry I didn't come through for you, pizzaexpert. And I'm even more sorry I didn't get to try one of those pies.
Ciao,
Paulie Gee
Old Forge, Pennsylvania: The Pizza Capital of the World
Someone just recommended that I review this place, but I am nowhere near the area, if someone happens to go here soon can they send me some photos?
Ted's Steamed Cheeseburgers; Meriden, Connecticut
Wow, you came in thinking steamed and gross before you even sat down. How could the burger be dry if its soaking wet from the steam? a publisher of Beef Aficionado, his blog that explores beef beyond burgerdom. So you give a blue collar ***BURGER*** favorite of the area to a high society beef aficionado who explores ***beef beyond burgerdom***. This review stinks, is biased before even stepping a foot in Ted's. Stalin's show trial's in the 30's had more justice than your review. By the way, congratulations you either have an impressive lexicon or a decent thesaurus, so you most likely nouveau riche and I'd like you to take your wanna be bougiousie air about yourself and choke on steamed cheese preferably. I'll enjoy my steamed cheeseburger now.
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
There's a mouthwatering style of white pizza which seems to be peculiar to McKees Rocks, PA, just outside Pittsburgh -- I know I've never seen it prepared this way anywhere else and I eat a lot of pie, dude. I believe it originated at Mama Lena's (now Mama Mia's) and has been cloned by former employees at another shop down the street called Doughboys (which is cheaper & maybe even better, IMHO). I've never seen one prepared from start to finish, but here's my best guess as to the general idea: a medium-thickness pizza crust is brushed with olive oil & perhaps garlic or other spices and partially baked, then removed to add a light layer of some kind of white shredded cheese (don't think it's mozz), then baked again until done. The hot pie is then topped with a room-temperature prepared mixture of diced tomatoes, minced garlic, finely chopped onion & basil and olive oil and sprinkled with more shredded cheese. The pie partially melts the additional cheese and warms the topping mixture up to the perfect temperature while preserving the flavor & freshness of the ingredients. On every other white pizza I've had the tomatoes & other ingredients are baked along with the crust which dries them out. This stuff is almost like a big round bruschetta. I'm no longer in the 'burgh, but I might have just talked myself into driving 3 hours each way to get one right now -- it's that good.
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
I came to Columbus Ohio from central NJ, and have long taken issue with the Pizza here. It seems to be the product of gluttony over good sense. Round pies are cut into square pieces.because you can not lard a pizza with all the cheep ingredients, low grade cheese, greasy pepperoni, fatty sausage, and rivers of sugary sauce, that are considered necessary here, and serve it any other way than two inch square bites. When I want good pizza in central Ohio, I make it myself. In summer, I use a pizza stone on a charcoal grill, in winter I use my 550 degree oven, and follow the directions for Neapolitan, above.
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
I have no idea what cloyd42 is talking about. Vince the Pizza Prince is neither long gone nor do they make Old Forge style pizza. Vince's signature pizza is round and covered with almost-burned cheese. They are still open in Scranton in the same location they've always been.
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
andy stoops - I think Vincents is gone. You're talking about the place on Penn Ave, right? Yeah, that's Spak Bros. now. It's relatively new, and I haven't been there, but I've heard good things (they do all local/organic stuff, and have vegetarian and vegan offerings).
I never realized that Pittsburgh had sweeter sauce than other parts of the country. I would like to add that it's not just sweet, but usually well seasoned (at least the good ones are), sometimes a little kick to them. There are soooo many pizza places in town, and they're all different, but I haven't encountered any that aren't good. You can always find one that's right for you - the right taste to the sauce, texture to the dough, quantity of toppings. My personal favorite is Rialto's over in Greenfield (although I haven't been there in a few years).
Mineo's seems to be our most famous, but yeah, a bit overrated. Adam, if you make it to Pittsburgh, just order a slice from Mineos, NOT the whole pie. The slices are actually twice baked, which makes them way better.
I also think this is probably fairly local - the pierogie pizza. I refuse to try it, but a lot of local places have some variance of a pierogie pizza, because Pittsburgers seem to think that they invented the pierogie. A pierogie pizza will have mashed potatoes, onions and cheese.
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
I wanted to chime in on the ongoing New England pizza discussion.
Papa Ginos is somewhat similar to the mom-and-pop stuff, but it's different in a few key ways: 'Ginos has a thinner crust than most local places, and it's less (!) greasy.
Thinking back to the local non-chain pizza of my northeast Connecticut youth, the distinguishing characteristics are a firm-but-not-crisp, doughy bottom, sometimes tending towards rubbery, and the use of cheap manufactured mozz, typically very oily. It tended to be the sort of pizza that, if you were eating a slice and folded it, you could pretty much squeeze several tablespoons of orange grease out of it. The crust tends to be crisp on the outside and soft inside, sometimes a little bready.
And the pizza places, almost always "[town name] Pizza" or [town name] House of Pizza", were uniformly owned by Greek families. (I never quite worked out why...but it was always faux-Italian food, pizza, and good Greek stuff on the menu.) I'm not sure if that's still as much the case now as it was 20 years ago, though.
Some places in New England seem to do the square-cut thing, which I think is truly blasphemous, while others pie cut. I've never been able to figure out a regional variation to this. It's just a weird individual preference of the restaurant owner, I think.
Why nobody in New England, at least north of New Haven, seems to be able to produce a decent NY-style thin-crust, I've no idea. Maybe it's the water.
My personal recommendation, if you wanted to "experience" a representative sample of New England-style pizza, would be to try Willington House of Pizza in Willington, CT. Although they have a menu that's more diverse than average, it covers pretty much everything I remember from all the local places I went as a kid.
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
There are 3 kinds of pizza: Good, Better and Best. You be your own judge.
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
One more vote for Buffalo style. I've yet to find anything like it in DC, Virginia, California or Washington state. I have some shipped to me every year from Imperial. Carbones on South Park was also a favorite.
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
Here's a working URL to the DC jumbo slice lore article:
Old Forge, Pennsylvania: The Pizza Capital of the World
I am from Old Forge. Our Pizza is square, like a sicilian pizza. Its very delicious and nothing like Elios. People in California even have pizzas par-baked (partially baked) and shipped out so they can enjoy the finest pizza! I go back periodically and I always bring back trays (not pies, pies are round) for my family and friends down south. Everyone loves it! I have never heard a complaint! Also, Revello's has the best red pizza!
God Bless!
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
i still have a soft spot for papa gino's, it's the only chain pizza i like. the only problem i've ever had with it is that they never used to peel the tomatoes so i would always end up with some in my teeth. not sure if that's changed since i haven't been there in a few years.
A List of Regional Pizza Styles
For those in New England, what about Papa Gino's? Yeh it's a chain, but it's essentially the blueprint for east coast pizza - thin crust, thin layer of cheese that melds perfectly with the somewhat sweet sauce. And on a "side note", two friends and I created http://www.slicefinder.com for just these debates. Pardon the plug, but seems relevant here.
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I'm not crazy about the idea of a steamed burger, but I suppose I'd try it if given the chance. Meanwhile, I so want some of those home fries, which are something that are darned near impossible to find here on the west coast.