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Dear AHT: Recent Burger Recommendations

Went to Goldburgers for lunch today - I was the only customer at 11:30. Not a particularly original business model: it seems to be a cross between 5 Guys (single and double patties, or more, cooked past pink) and The Counter (lots of toppings options but without a bar). I had a simple single patty (I'd guess

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Ten Steps to the Perfect Cheeseburger

What's with the notion that the grilling season ends with Labor Day? Both my Weber grills, gasser and charcoal, see duty 12 months a year here in Connecticut. I think these are good general rules of thumb - these guys have determined that for the 6 oz burgers they make with the fire they build, 3.2.1 works for them. Weighing is a good idea.

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

Okay, so you admit you had no IP in the name, so you have no standing in getting '...bent out of shape.' Get over it. You should be flattered that the Max Group picked up on it - if, in fact, they did. I find it curious that you can judge a product inferior without having tasted it, as is implied by calling it an '...inferior-sounding sandwich.' CTBurgerman, I agree that the Counter is a very good burger, but the place lacks in ambiance - being loud, crowded, and full of family-friendly. And the menu is limited to burgers. BTW, the best burger in the Hartford area is at (of all places) Max Fish with Apricots a vey close second, IMO. If only 5 Guys would up-scale.

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

We went to Max Burger last Friday for lunch. Its been open a few weeks now at dinner, but this was day #5 for lunch. Arrived about 11:30 and it filled up very quickly, resulting in a wait about noon. We're fans of the Max Group, and were happy with this incarnation. Perhpas the cow pictures were a bit much, but our burgers were excellent and the fries, served with a roasted garlic aioli were great. I like the fact that a 5 oz burger is offered besides the 8 oz standard - getting older and suffering from a smaller appetite is a bummer. Service was a little overbearing but its better to err on this side than the other and food arrived at a nice pace. Once again, Max does it right. Now, as to the subject brouhaha, I'm not an IP lawyer, but since I've never seen any trademark or copyright notations re fatty burger here, I've got to assume there was no infringment. So let it go. Max Group is a success that many seem to dislike - this is envy. They are taking a chance on their own money in an adverse economic environment and in doing do so, creating jobs. This is good.

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From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Recent Burger Recommendations

Went to Goldburgers for lunch today - I was the only customer at 11:30. Not a particularly original business model: it seems to be a cross between 5 Guys (single and double patties, or more, cooked past pink) and The Counter (lots of toppings options but without a bar). I had a simple single patty (I'd guess

From Serious Eats

Ten Steps to the Perfect Cheeseburger

What's with the notion that the grilling season ends with Labor Day? Both my Weber grills, gasser and charcoal, see duty 12 months a year here in Connecticut. I think these are good general rules of thumb - these guys have determined that for the 6 oz burgers they make with the fire they build, 3.2.1 works for them. Weighing is a good idea.

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

Okay, so you admit you had no IP in the name, so you have no standing in getting '...bent out of shape.' Get over it. You should be flattered that the Max Group picked up on it - if, in fact, they did. I find it curious that you can judge a product inferior without having tasted it, as is implied by calling it an '...inferior-sounding sandwich.' CTBurgerman, I agree that the Counter is a very good burger, but the place lacks in ambiance - being loud, crowded, and full of family-friendly. And the menu is limited to burgers. BTW, the best burger in the Hartford area is at (of all places) Max Fish with Apricots a vey close second, IMO. If only 5 Guys would up-scale.

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

We went to Max Burger last Friday for lunch. Its been open a few weeks now at dinner, but this was day #5 for lunch. Arrived about 11:30 and it filled up very quickly, resulting in a wait about noon. We're fans of the Max Group, and were happy with this incarnation. Perhpas the cow pictures were a bit much, but our burgers were excellent and the fries, served with a roasted garlic aioli were great. I like the fact that a 5 oz burger is offered besides the 8 oz standard - getting older and suffering from a smaller appetite is a bummer. Service was a little overbearing but its better to err on this side than the other and food arrived at a nice pace. Once again, Max does it right. Now, as to the subject brouhaha, I'm not an IP lawyer, but since I've never seen any trademark or copyright notations re fatty burger here, I've got to assume there was no infringment. So let it go. Max Group is a success that many seem to dislike - this is envy. They are taking a chance on their own money in an adverse economic environment and in doing do so, creating jobs. This is good.

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Ten Steps to the Perfect Cheeseburger

@Mike5966: If you have a high BTU grill it is possible. I crank up all the burners on mine and the temp reaches ~700f. I rotate the burger a couple times before the flip to get more char on the burger. If you can get your grill hot enough you will achieve what you are looking for.

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Ten Steps to the Perfect Cheeseburger

Lvn4life.. Imedium means pink in the middle. Medium well is almost no pink and well is zero pink.

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Ten Steps to the Perfect Cheeseburger

Mike5966 - George Foreman? lmao j/k

btw - I am a medium kinda girl. I dont really want to see a pink center when I bite in

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Ten Steps to the Perfect Cheeseburger

I wonder if there is a way to combine the crispy carmelization of griddling with the picnicky smokiness of grilling into one perfect patty... if someone could/has achieved this or knows a place that has, please do tell.

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Ten Steps to the Perfect Cheeseburger

I am a big fan of irradiated beef for hamburgers. It nearly eliminates any risk of illness from undercooked beef.

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Ten Steps to the Perfect Cheeseburger

Still don't understand the popularity of medium rare when the threat of foodborne illness is considerably high.

E. coli is very real, there is a reason why some restaurants refuse to serve any meat not well done. When you become ill, there will be no one to blame but yourself!

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Ten Steps to the Perfect Cheeseburger

That picture is revolting-- looks like some serious e-coli waiting to happen. Guess I'm not a foodie.

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Ten Steps to the Perfect Cheeseburger

That article shouldn't even be mentioned (except in ridicule) on AHT. Thumbprints are for those who overwork the meat. Its personal preference, but cmballa is right - handled as little as possible and packed so loose they almost fall apart leads to the juiciest result. 'Exactly 3 mins'? That's ridiculous. Salt and pepper well ahead? Knock yourself out, but don't do that to my burger, thanks. And if grilling buns is the only civilized way to eat them - I'll stick with the cavemen at Shake Shack, PJ Clarke's, White Manna, Corner Bistro, etc.

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Ten Steps to the Perfect Cheeseburger

The thumbprint is ridiculous. Don't add too many ingredients to the meat. Salt and pepper and oil. Use a hot grill and only flip once, wait for the blood to rise to the top -- don't ever squish them with the spatula. I like to add worcestershire sauce while they cook too.

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

@ratbuddy: Yeah, I guess the picture here doesn't really show the scale of the bread. It is a bit smaller than a normal piece of sandwich bread—probably about 80 percent of the size. So if you imagine how a normal piece of sandwich bread might overhang a typical patty, on the Fatty Melt, it's the opposite, and the patty overhangs the "bun." I think it's a good ratio, since anything bigger bunwise would give you way too much grilled cheese flavor. Or, I guess, you could always up the size of the patty. ;)

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

Haven't got a camera except the horrible one in my phone, but boy were they good. I didn't realize the very thin bread was also very small, so 1 piece of cheese on each 'bun' was perfect, with another folded in quarters inside the patty. Next time, I need to find a beefier tasting beef. The dominant flavor was 'grilled cheese.' I've never had a fatty melt in general, so maybe that's the way they always taste.

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

@ratbuddy: Fucking genius. Pictures? An account of the process/eating?

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

Just invented something I'm about to make for dinner tonight. It's a Fatty Melt, with a Juicy Lucy patty in the middle. I'm calling it the Fat Lucy. You heard it here first.

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

@Adam: No man, I don't think you were whiny. They should have shot you an email or something. You'd think they'd be excited to share with you the fact that they're putting a fatty melt on their menu.

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

Meh, I still say they're dirty rotten scoundrels for ripping it off wholesale, and calling it the same thing :P

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

@joylissa: Thanks for the sympathy, but I'm afraid I brought this on myself! ;)

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

poor adam :(

everybody chill like a pill...

Vive le Fatty Melt!

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

@skizziks: Honestly, I don't know if I was asking for them to credit it. I think I just got bent out of shape when Ratbuddy emailed me and I wanted to vent.

I agree—it would be ridiculous for them to put an asterisk on the menu next to the name and have a footnote at the bottom relating the burger's history and progenitors. Like you said, then when does it stop? I was just being whiny about it.

I suppose when the Fatty Melt takes over the world (and ultimately becomes lowercase because it is so well known and exists as a commonplace item), AHT may go down as a footnote in history along with Mossy Creek, etc. And this very thread may then give future historians something to reference when writing a burger history ebook or cyberbrainwave or whatever they'll use 100 years from now.

I didn't take your comments as a dig on my work here and did feel a little bad about the "I don't care" cop out. But, sure, you all have helped me come down from the ledge, so I'm not as worried about this anymore.

The important thing now is to see the fatty melt spread far and wide.

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

@Adam: Oh man, don't be that way. I haven't even compared you to Hitler yet.

Seriously though, your burger evangelism is vital reading--I was totally not kidding about your writing convincing me to make a fatty melt for myself last weekend. I'm just skeptical that it's practical--or even appropriate--for a restaurant to give your blog credit for a menu item, considering the thousands (or millions) of other cases in which restaurants copy someone else's idea without giving explicit credit. I absolutely do not mean that as a dig on your work.

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

@skizziks: I don't care anymore. You guys have beaten me down.

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

@Adam: No, I'm seriously curious what the proper etiquette is here. It seems fair for Max Burger to give props to you in their menu, but then shouldn't they also be giving equal or greater props to the Mossy Creek Cafe? And why stop there--I'm sure everything on their menu originated in some other kitchen (apart from minor adjustments).

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

@ Adam. It was good, but it could have been much better. The burger was overcooked and it suffers from being a pre-made frozen puck. However, Rich (the chef at the Italian club I belong to) did the best he could with the ingredients at hand. The good news is, he said anytime he has fresh ground beef he will use it, or if I want to bring my own in, he'll use that.

Also, since adding it to the secret menu almost two months ago, he has made at least one a week. The name is still up in the air, but, he call's it a Big Woolly Melt. I can pretty much guarantee you that I'm never going to order it that way. Too embarrassing. ;)

One final note. After eating it, I do feel about three seconds of shame & about fifteen minutes of ogeda. But my smile lasts all day long.

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

@skizziks: Thanks for the link. You have shown me the light.

@BigWoollyMammoth: AWESOME. I love how lightly toasted the GC component is. Just how I like mine. How was it?

From A Hamburger Today

Dear AHT: Some Dude in Connecticut Is Ripping You Off

So I'm still unclear: what did they steal exactly?

It's not the sandwich; that existed before in at least one place.

It's not the name; places like this used the name earlier (c'mon, you didn't expect people to believe nobody used the term "fatty melt" before) :
http://www.thehubaustin.com/hub_menu.pdf

So what is there to get angry about--that someone copied a particular juxtaposition of pre-existing name and pre-existing recipe? And Adam's also annoyed because they modified it?

All that said, I made myself a fatty melt last weekend, and it was great, and I owe it all to Adam Kuban and AHT. Thanks!

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