A bit too many Asian-themed articles on this site?
I don't want this to come across as prejudiced or anything, but has anyone else noticed that every day there seem to be a few more articles about Asian food posted here? I understand that it's food that many people aren't familiar with, but there are many cultures in this world and they all have interesting food. No need to focus so predominantly on the Asian aspect.
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46 Comments:
Asia consists of 47 countries. There are about 195 in the world, so to exclude that entire continent would exclude a significant portion of the world as well as lots of delicious food options.
I love to learn about other cultures and try new foods. I welcome the recipes and ideas since I'm always looking for something new to try.
gingercookiewithlime at 6:44PM on 10/09/09
I talk italian whenever possible and we discuss baking a fair amount.
Maybe Daniel we need to have you posting more talk. Let's even it out!!!
Come on start talking...
JerzeeTomato at 6:46PM on 10/09/09
JerzeeTomato is right. If you want to see more diversity in Talk, then be the change Daniel!
yankeesgal at 7:00PM on 10/09/09
It's easy to lump all Asian food together instead of distinguishing between Japanese, Thai, Korean, Chinese, etc.
I just cruised the past three pages and found that there were just as many "European" as "Asian" if we're going to get continental about it.
Seems really focused on this North American cuisine, if you ask me (including Mexico & Canada).
If we're complaining, I think there's far too much pork on Serious Eats. Not to sound speciesist.
Cybele at 7:01PM on 10/09/09
Cybele May - some might say too much pork in the foodie-world entirely right now (which would explain the excess coverage...) :)
Ginger Cookie - I had no idea there were 47 countries out of 195! That's a LOT! nearly 1/4.
Everyone else made excellent points in comments so I don't have any sort of helpful response, except to say... what they said! lol.
feistyfoodie at 7:36PM on 10/09/09
I believe DanielJ was commenting on the Home page and not the Talk section.
dmcavanagh at 7:44PM on 10/09/09
seriously?!
anglerfish96 at 8:06PM on 10/09/09
I really enjoy the "Asian-themed" posts, because I've seen so many other places handle the subject matter less well and in a manner that's not as nuanced nor as fun. I think quantity-wise, it's actually more balanced and the effect is that the site doesn't treat Asian/Asian American food as some weirdo, exotic thing.
This also just reminds me of Aziz Ansari's bit on Slumdog Millionaire - at around 1:30 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hO6oNlierSQ
lethargarian at 8:18PM on 10/09/09
I think there's a fair amount of variety, here.
KarynMC at 8:48PM on 10/09/09
I too think there's more than enough variety. I actually really like the Asian food-themed posts because it's cuisine that I find super difficult to cook and very interesting. Like bento boxes, how awesome are those?
I love Thai, Japanese, Vietnamese, Korean, etc., etc, but I find I need a lot of help cooking foods from those regions. I've tried many Asian S.E. recipes with great success.
PumpkinBear at 8:56PM on 10/09/09
Um... what?
CanadianFoodieGirl at 10:34PM on 10/09/09
I've been reading for a while (lurking), and the same thought had crossed my mind, but I thought posting it would be kind of incendiary. I love Asian food, of whatever provenance, but I do feel like I'm not quite seeing as many other areas of the world covered - South American, Middle Eastern, African, whatever. I'm not certain if this is because there is ofreader interest (presumably, SE has the traffic logs for all the articles) or because there isn't anyone willing to cover them, or what. The articles that are posted are very useful, though.
gingerngin at 11:16PM on 10/09/09
Actually, I see too many hamburgers and hot dogs on this site.
Personally, I can't get enough Japanese, Chinese, Thai, Vietnamese, Korean, Indian, and Indonesian food.
salpico at 11:21PM on 10/09/09
So I went back and read over the recipe entries so far this month. The "Cook the book" feature is focusing on a Japanese cookbook so that might seem why it's leaning towards "Asian" lately. I use quotes because there's a lot more to Asia than just China and Japan and I really hate that it's such a general term to cover such a continent that has such vastly different countries. Unfortunately this happens whenever we use a continent to denote a cuisine. Even food in the US varies from region to region and even state to state (if you need proof, ask people from different states what "barbeque" is).
But so far this month there have also been several French, Italian, and Mexican recipes posted. It seems this is because there are regular contributors to SE that focus in these areas. Are there other voices out there that can share their insights into other cuisines? I can help out if you want to know about Spanish/Gallego dishes.
gingercookiewithlime at 11:36PM on 10/09/09
I hadnt noticed an excessive amount of asian-food themed posts, but then again, I tend to not peruse those very much.
However, I just scrolled back through the Serious Eats posts. From the front page, counting the "asian food" entries. In 3 pages, with 15 pages per post, totaling 45 posts, I noticed the Seriously Asian Dashi post, the Grilling Shawarma post and the Tofu Banh Mi review. 3 posts in 45. That doesn't seem like too many to me.
I think you also have to consider the columns. One of the recent Cook The Book series was a week full of hotpot recipes. Incidentally, the Nasty Bits column has included a number of asian recipes. Why? well.. because there aren't many non-asian cultures that eat chicken feet.
@Daniel, what kind of foods would you like to see instead?
You haven't voiced your opinion in that direction, just pointed out what you don't like.
engmcmuffin at 11:37PM on 10/09/09
hahaha!
@ginger, I think we just had the same thought process and posted 1 minute apart.
engmcmuffin at 11:39PM on 10/09/09
Uh...because Asian food tends to be awesome? I'd be so bored if it was all spaghetti, barbecue and potato dishes.
VerySmallAnna at 12:25AM on 10/10/09
Never enough. I like to see articles on different kinds of cuisine and a wide variety of foods outside of what we're familiar with.
I'm "Asian" and I'm always finding new and interesting things from those articles.
I'd welcome a glut of articles about other world cuisines, too ::hint hint::
fuuchan at 12:31AM on 10/10/09
People think I'm either Hispanic or American Indian, but I'm Filipino and German and I've lived over half the world (the Pacific side). My sons are German, Filipino, Irish, hillbilly and Cherokee. Our favorite foods are Italian, Mexican, Mandarin, Thai, Greek, Filipino, Tex-Mex, German, Japanese, French, Weber (yes, it's a cuisine), Indonesian, English, Swedish, Lebanese, Szechuan, Russian (except borscht), Indian, Portugese, Cajun, Soul, Polish, Nouveau Californian, Korean, Vietnamese, Pub, Jewish (Wait--isn't that a religion? Why isn't there a Catholic cuisine?), Irish (mostly whiskey, because they're Cherokee--ooops, my bad, shame on me for stereotyping my own kids) and Yankee. Please notice that "fast" and "vegetarian" are not categories on our list of favorites.
I am such a food geek and in the few months I've been a SEater, I've seen references/articles/recipes/links/threads about all of the above. Keep 'em coming, Ed.
betteirene at 2:28AM on 10/10/09
I think cooking any type of Asian food is a polarizing thing.
On one hand, you have folks who are totally into it. They have the (many) ingredients, they understand the work involved, and they understand the technique. I'm not really one of those people.
On the other, you have folks who WANT to do it. But they see lists of lots of ingredients they think they'll only use minimally over time, they see the prep work, they see the heat and pan requirements, and get a little intimidated.
At that point, it's easier to get take-out. Why do you think take-out or delivery Asian food is so popular? It's predictably decent, zero effort, and doesn't leave ingredients (that you have no idea how to use again, unless you make a ton of Asian food) sitting in your cupboard.
Am I saying that's the right way to approach it? No. To each his/her own. I just think that's what's going on with Asian cooking in American kitchens. Maybe it's different in non-American kitchens.
tmj529 at 5:05AM on 10/10/09
I do not think the site is heavy on Asian anything! There is variety all over; in the recipes, articles, Talk topics. We are a very diverse group of people, from all over the world. I just found out Betteirene was Filipino and German, how awesome is that??!! I think that Ed and the gang give us plenty of variety. Keep up the great work!
arm1970 at 6:09AM on 10/10/09
I really hadn't noticed an abundance of "Asian" themed articles but as I was reading thru the posts I was intrigued by @betteirene's reference to Weber cuisine. I have never heard of it and I hope you can enlighten us.
tapioca at 8:19AM on 10/10/09
@betteirene-
I didn't know "hillbilly' was an ethnicity.
What's Weber? Is that BBQ?
That is an impressive list. I would add Hawaiian, Creole, Moroccan, Spanish, and, last but NOT least, Italian
salpico at 8:21AM on 10/10/09
Oh-you did say Italian-sheesh-i'm still not quite awake, I guess
salpico at 8:28AM on 10/10/09
I love the articles on Asian cusine. The bummer for me is it's hard to find many of the ingredients in my area. So I can only read and imagaine about most of them....*wistful sigh*
p.s. I am sipping miso broth this morning. (Yeah, can you believe it? Found it at the health food store. yay!)
CJ McD at 10:48AM on 10/10/09
Yeah seriously, where's the white people food? I want my America back!
SqueezeBottle at 11:39AM on 10/10/09
Not to pile on, but I too disagree with the OP. Clicking through the first couple of pages, I count posts on dashi and bahn mi, neither of which I've tried, though I'd like to. As I see it, the whole point of SE is to reflect what good things people have found to eat: this is what keeps me coming back to this site.
Right now I'm watching cooking shows on PBS. Here we are fortunate to get Jacques Pépin's and Eric Ripert's shows; both of these gifted, impeccably trained Frenchmen happily wield the soy sauce, lemongrass, ginger, etc. Our palates are getting globalized, our cuisines mongrelized into patterns that eventually get recognized as "authentic." The more tasty influences, the better! If you stop to think of it, such has always been the case. Where would "Italian" cuisine (and I use scare quotes because for a country so relatively small in area, Italy produces such diverse regional cuisines) be without ingredients not original to the region (tomatoes, polenta, chocolate)?
As for SE's excessive Asian subjects: I don't know about dashi, but isn't bahn mi the delicious bastard child French colonial influence? Why is bahn mi not too European (or, say, Korean budae jigae too American)?
piglet at 12:08PM on 10/10/09
Sorry, I meant "bánh mì." I suck.
piglet at 12:13PM on 10/10/09
I don't think the other person meant "too many Asian dishes, stick to BBQ and McDonalds" or that the actual number of Asian cuisine-related articles is too high, which seems to be the way many commenters are interpreting the comment. Nor was he claiming that all "Asian" countries produce similar cuisine, which is pretty ludicrous. Rather, I think the comment is related to proportionality - the proportion of articles focused on Asian cuisine is higher than those focused on other regions, for whatever reason. Agree or disagree, but I don't think that it's a criticism that merits the spin it's gotten.
It's a statistical question as to whether it's just a perception based on recent content, or actually borne out by numbers. And a policy question as to whether it really matters, I guess.
gingerngin at 2:43PM on 10/10/09
@gingergin - I don't think anyone has said that all "Asian" cuisine is the same. I think the point made is that not all cuisine on that continent is the same and so wrapping it all under the same umbrella name of "Asian" is incorrect.
gingercookiewithlime at 5:23PM on 10/10/09
if it's not of interest to you, just pass on by ...... i find most articles here very interesting and if it's something i'm not curious about, i just skip over it. i'd rather read about world cuisine than hot dogs and hamburgers, myself. so - i don't read that section.
pooch at 5:52PM on 10/10/09
I've loved the Asian entries, and have learned some great things about dumpling making. So grateful, as dumplings are one of my first loves and I basically have to make them because of paucity of local availability. Got some great advice on fried rice, too. I'd rather see specific requests for more of something, rather than less of something else. As pooch says, you can change the channel.
lemonfair at 8:41AM on 10/11/09
I never noticed an overwhelming dominance of Asian inspired dishes. I think SE represents a wide range of culinary traditions...there's "French in a Flash", many pieces on New York and Chicago restaurants...lots of good stuff! Keep up the good work!
Chew on That at 12:12AM on 10/12/09
Skip things that don't hold your interest. I don't bake, but I find it pretty easy to click pass those posts.
Kerosena at 11:32AM on 10/12/09
@DanielJ -
Because currently, that's what people are talking about. When another topic comes up, then we'll talk about that too. Otherwise, add your own article or post an non-Asian food query in Talk and find what you want to read. Your question is similar to why of all the stories in the world, everyone was just writing about the Kanye West Debacle at the VMAs.
Playing devil's advocate, have you written to the Food Network and asked them why there aren't any cooking shows solely about Asian cuisine?
AnnieNT at 12:03PM on 10/12/09
When you say Asian you mean bacon and cupcakes, right?
sloppy at 9:14PM on 10/12/09
If anything I would enjoy a more cosmoplitan approach - less hamburgers, hotdogs, pizza and bacon...
PeanutButter at 3:38PM on 10/13/09
I wrote that "Weber" was a cuisine to differentiate it from barbecue. I meant grilling and outdoor cooking, because barbecue has a specific meaning, depending on where you're from and what you like.
And yes, hillbilly food is a category of its own. It's different from Dixie cooking, except for the fried green tomatoes. My husband is a Hatfield from Mingo County, WV. They sure do eat different from us Yankees. Venison on Thanksgiving, deer sausage (fresh and dried) and venison jerky, squirrel, chicken sometimes, a lot of pork in all its forms, almost no beef, fish or seafood. Biscuits (the dough is made from self-rising flour and milk, gets patted onto a cookie sheet, is scored into squares and then has a stick of melted butter poured on top before baking) and gravy (made from deer sausage). Tomato gravy (roux, evaporated milk and chopped tomatoes) goes on top of whatever isn't covered by sausage gravy. Tomatoes and green beans and pinto beans are the predominant vegetables, all cooked with a pork product.
That's how it used to be when the boys were little and we'd go visit the kinfolk. But a while back, the top of the mountain was removed for a new highway, and a WalMart Supercenter went up. So now they don't need to keep canned milk on hand; they can also have two "aigs" for breakfast and "Co-cola" pretty nearly every day, not just for special occasions. I just hope the deer jerky doesn't get replaced by packages of Oberto jerky.
His sister, BTW, is married to a Mexican. We call their kids "chili-billies."
betteirene at 7:58PM on 10/13/09
ROFL chili-billies. HAHAHA! I love it!
Cassaendra at 8:33PM on 10/13/09
I dont know about Asian food, but, it seems like SE has a stiffy for lentils. Kind of like Neil(the hippy) from the young ones.
nhfoodie at 12:05PM on 10/14/09
Thanks for sharing @betteirene - I love hearing about regional culture, which of course, includes food and cooking - that is my favourite part of reading SE, the little insights and glimpses into a world you are not really familiar with - I think it is wonderful - oh, and I just love the "chili-billies!"
To the initial poster - I am not familiar with Oriental styles and I have learned a lot reading SE - I have tried many recipes and really like them, there is some items mentioned that I have never even heard of before, so I google them (i.e. Bento boxes, kimchi, banh mi, sriraca) and I am gaining diverse culinary information.
I love the Jewish holidays when people write in about what they are eating and how it is prepared & what is "kosher" etc. I have learned a lot from this site and I like the international flavour.
I also enjoy all the chatter about burgers, pizza, hot dogs, fried chicken - it is all good!
bareneed at 2:14PM on 10/14/09
Never thought there were too many Asian-themed articles. What I do notice is A LOT OF articles about Shake Sham, I mean, Shake Shack.
Carioca at 2:16PM on 10/14/09
I don't think there is a conscious effort to focus on one cuisine more then another. The fact that the OP notices "Asian" articles just means they are looking out for them. It is my opinon that what I see on Serious Eats is what people are eating right now. Personally I find it a little offensive the the poster singled out "Asian" cuisine...what does that mean and what is wrong with "Asian" cuisine? If you don't like it, don't read those articles or visit other sites that have a diversity that appeals to you more or write your own articles
Sweetie at 10:36AM on 10/15/09
Also consider that one of the most well-known adages about writing is "Write what you know," and there are a couple of writers at SE who happen to know cuisines from that region rather well (e.g. Michele Humes, Chichi Wang). There are also writers whose specialties in other regions and cuisines (Kerry Saretsky for French/North African, Gina DePalma with Seriously Italian, etc., etc.), it's just that here in the States, we tend to think of those as "more" different than the "Asian" cuisines are, so we see that and think that having one post about Japanese food and one post about Vietnamese food in the same day is two posts of "Asian food," while one post about French food and one of Italian is just that, posts about foods from different regions.
At the end of the day, it would be nice to have specialists in every single cuisine imaginable at SE, but realistically speaking, that isn't possible. And personally, I would rather see a glut of well-informed articles about a certain set of regional cuisines than one of poorly-researched ones, devoid of meaningful content, included solely for the purpose of some superficial sheen of "diversity."
sar_t at 11:37AM on 10/15/09
No.
noxturne at 10:01PM on 10/15/09
what CanadianFoodieGirl said.
hungrychristel at 12:00PM on 10/16/09