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Pro style pot pie

I'm going put individual size pot pies on the menu at work and i'm wondering what the best way to handle storage and service. When i make them ahead, what's the best way to store them? I'm afraid that long-term refridgeration will make my bottom crust soggy but freezing them will make my fire time too long. Has any of you done this before?

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Personally, no, but the few places that I've seen them served, there was a top crust only -- a sort of rustic floppy thing over the sides of a ramekin in one case, and a disk of pastry set inside the ramekin, on top of the chicken and whatever in the other case..

In the first case, it was pretty obviously baked that way. In the second, I suspect they scooped the stuff into the ramekins and topped with a prebaked circle of pastry right before serving.

And both times I noticed the lack of bottom crust, but never really thought about it.

I suppose you could go the other way and have prebaked bottoms and put the stuff in and maybe pipe some potatoes around the top edge and brown that a bit before serving.

Put the dough in the individual pots and store them in the cooler separate from the filling. For service just plop the filling in the pots and fire them.

if it was a special, we'd keep the filling in a bain marie and then have the crust ready to get plopped on and popped into the oven. it worked out pretty well because the filling was already hot and the crust could brown up nicely on 450 without it taking forever to heat up. no bottom crust...i don't think most people are expecting a bottom crust these days. but i could be wrong.

i once did a curried chix pot pie with a sweet potato crust.... try it out, people will order it.

@pooch-- i ran across some of your pot pie posts in my search. How did that farmer's market thing turn out?
My problem is this: I work in the kitchen of a private arts college. So we don't have a traditional restaurant per se, more like a high-end cafeteria. For service, we have some food that is made to order and other stuff that is served from a steam table.
While it would be easy to make a giant casserole style pot pie and dish out servings, i'm really in love with small, individual serving pies, bottom crust included. My pastry experience is limited, so the handling of the crust is my biggest concern. Maybe if i built the pies and froze them? I have a huge Woodstone oven at my disposal--really nice. It gets really really hot. If i fired them before service and set them in the hot window the students could just grab and go....hmmmmm..

I learned all kinds of techniques and tricks at a truck stop (yes, a truck stop) I worked at twice (in the business office in the early 80s and in the restaurant for a year in the early 90s). In the 80s, everything in the kitchen was either from scratch or really close to it. By the 90s, the two grandmotherly prep cooks were gone and the new restaurant manager, sadly, standardized everything with Sysco products.

The 80s pot pies were made by first roasting a couple of whole chickens; taking the meat off the bones; making stock from the carcass with whole unpeeled carrots, an unpeeled yellow onion and a few ribs of celery; straining the stock and cooking diced potatoes, diced carrots and frozen peas in it; thickening it with cornstarch, adding cream and throwing in the chunks of roasted chicken. The mixture was ladled into heavy institutional soup bowls, covered with plastic wrap and frozen on cookie sheets. Every day, five bowls (10 if the weather was blustery) were pulled out of the walk-in freezer and put into the reach-in cooler on the cook's line. Waitresses (there were no "servers" in the 80s) would tell customers who ordered pot pies that there would be a 20-minute wait, and when an order came in, a line cook would throw a bowl into the microwave for three minutes, cover it with a square of thawed frozen puff pastry that was bigger than the bowl, brush it with egg wash then throw it in the oven. A cloth napkin would be draped around the bowl for serving and customers would be warned that the bowl was hot.

If an order came in and the bowls of pot pie were frozen solid, it would get nuked forever.

When I was cooking at my daughter-in-law's cafe, pot pies weren't on the menu because of space considerations--we just didn't have a big enough kitchen with a big enough freezer and refrigerator. It was a winter-only special, and we did the puff pastry top crust because it's easier, quicker, and customers see puff pastry and immediately swoon because they think it's ultra gourmet. You can charge more for puff pastry than regular pie crust, too.

Personally, I like a bottom crust. At home, I use the truck stop's filling method and Julia Child's pate brisee fine for the top and bottom crusts. I've also made them like giant hand pies--if the filling is cold and thick, it's easy to do.

I forgot--at the cafe, we did a chicken pot shepherd's pie, too, as a special. That always went over real well.

Best way is to put cooked filling in a parbaked crust and then top and refreeze. This will cut your fire time down. Also do it in pie tin.

Here's a recipe I have used several times. I prepared it ahead of need and put it in individual deep 12 oz ramekins. The cornbread topping is very good, all made from scratch. These were frozen, defrosted and baked just fine. I froze the extra cornbread crumbs and used it in turkey stuffing at Thanksgiving.

Chicken Casserole Recipe
recipe from an Interstate country restaurant
Serves/Makes: 6


Corn Bread Topping:
1 cup yellow corn meal
1/3 cup flour
1 1/2 teaspoon baking powder
1 tablespoon sugar
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon baking soda
2 tablespoons vegetable oil
3/4 cup buttermilk
1 egg
Chicken Filling:
2 1/2 cups cooked chicken breasts (cut into bite-size pieces)
1/4 cup yellow onion (chopped)
1/2 cup celery (sliced thin)
1 teaspoon salt
1/4 teaspoon freshly ground pepper
1 can cream of chicken soup
1 3/4 cup chicken broth
2 tablespoons butter

Directions:
Mix all topping ingredients together in mixing bowl until smooth. Pour into greased 8" x 8" baking pan and bake at 375F for 20 - 25 minutes until done. Remove from oven and let cool completely.
When cool crumble corn bread and place 3 c. of corn bread crumbs in mixing bowl. Add 1/2 c. melted butter to crumbs and mix well, set aside.
In sauce pan on medium low heat place butter and sauté onions, and celery until transparent, stirring occasionally. Add chicken broth, cream of chicken soup, salt, and pepper. Stir until well blended and soup is dissolved completely. Add chicken, stir and blend until mixture reaches a low simmer. Cook for 5 minutes, remove from heat. Place chicken mixture in buttered casserole dish 2 1/2 qt., or 4 individual casserole dishes.
Spoon cornbread crumb topping on top of chicken mixture, do not stir into chicken filling and place baking dish in preheated oven at 350F. for 35 - 40 minutes. The crumbs will turn a golden yellow.

I like to make pies with a thin layer of sliced onion at the bottom of the pan, then the filling, then the mashed potatoes and cheese, then lattice strips of pastry across the top. They keep very well in the fridge.

hey@sailor dave .... i think what @betterirene said... make them up and freeze them -- is there a way to bake them off partially and keep them warm and then finish them up per order? just take out a few like she said and that 's it for the day.... i don't know if in your situation people could wait the 20-30 minutes for a pot pie.... we used to make arroz con pollo for people from scratch and they had to wait the 30 minutes but it said so on the menu.
would a hotel pan of pot pie hold up in a steam table? the crust might get soft.... how about a biscuit topping...? placing a nice crispy hot biscuit on top of the already hot filling as ordered???? don't know... you have to play with that one.

my pot pie thing is picking up, it was so hot this summer people didn't want to put their ovens on. i just finished off a rosemary beef filling with a polenta crust -- see how it goes today.... good luck and keep us posted.

@betterirene - i love your truckstop stories!

Haven't done this, but I think I would make the bottom crust, partially bake, and freeze. Then follow pooch's first comment - fill with warm filling, top, and bake. Partially baking the bottom will keep it from being behind the top in the baking process (considering that it's frozen.) You might be able to remove the frozen bottom crusts and stack, if you don't have enough individual pans. Not having to deal with the bottom crust will cut way down on time when you're ready to cook. It would even be interesting to top the pie with puff pastry even though the bottom was standard crust.

I do this all the time. I fully cook the pot pie, crust and all, then allow to cool completely before freezing. If you had a sense of how many you would need on the average day, you could take them out in the morning to let them start to thaw... cutting down on reheat time.

I've always used this dough with great success. I hate bottomless pot pies!

1 x large egg yolk
1 tsp of distilled white vinegar – (5ml)
1/3 cup of ice water (approximate) – (75ml)
2 1/2 cups of all-purpose flour – (625ml)
1 tsp of salt – (5ml)
1 cup of chilled butter, cut into 12 pieces – (250ml)

I wonder if a chicken pot pie turnover would work for you. You could go light on the gravy for the filling and serve it with additional gravy on the side for dunking. My husband's a gravy hound and would dunk away. You could wrap them in heavy paper and they could be eaten with out a fork and knife.

@dhorst... that sounds like a really good idea....! i love that one.... i might have to try that one out myself..... i know what you mean about gravy, my guy loves gravy so much. i could live without gravy... only very little.

anyway, good luck sailor dave with all of these good suggestions.... i personally like the turnover one. that would heat up pretty quickly i think.

Hand pies, turnovers, pasties, calzones. . .whatever you call them, I really like @dhorst's idea of wrapping them in paper, especially with your set-up, @sailordave.

@pooch, thanks! Food service today ain't what it used to be, like the mom-and-pop cafe around the corner that uses canned sausage gravy doctored up with dried sage for its biscuits and gravy. The truckstop now uses a just-add-water mix and adds frozen sausage crumbles that look like dog kibble for its B&G. I'm glad I worked at the truckstop back in the day instead of now--geez, I'd be cooking like Sandra Lee all the time and thinking it was gourmet! And pot pies are no longer on the menu.

dhorst - great idea. I've been looking for some new calzone/pastie ideas, and the idea of gravy to dunk them expands the possibilities considerably.

Simple... Blind bake the bottoms, the day of service. Hold the filling in the steam table, then fill and cover with puffed pastry a la minute. brush egg wash on the pastry to ensure deeper coloring.

The downside to this, it will never be as good as a homemade version but it will still be pretty tasty and will be a good seller. You may consider doing something that doesn't require the crust such as a Cassoulet de Toulouse then serve with a nice crusty bread. These can be cooked ahead of time and reheated to order.

What a fantastic thread. I've learned so much about technique! Pot Pies are on my list of 'to-learns'.

@betterirene - i know what you mean.... it saddens me to think that opening a pouch of mix of some sort has replaced the unique, loving touch of a person..... i don't think we're any better for that. whole generations are growing up on that kind of junk.... it's so sad.

After Xmas and TGV I make "leftover pot pies" that I fill with all the leftovers so they usually have stuffing, mashed potatoes, gravy, corn, carrots, cranberry sauce, and turkey. Yum.

Before service, have blind baked bottom crusts, chilled filling, and raw dough circles for the tops ready.

On order, heat the right amount of filling in a skillet/saucepot, throw the bottom crust in a hot oven to take the chill off, then xfer the filling to the bottom crust, put a circle of dough on top, press the edges down, and fire in a hot oven until top is done. It'll probably take at least 25 minutes, but it's the best you can do for a good, fresh-baked pie. Just mark it on the menu.

Otherwise, bake off as many as you think you'll need before service, keep them in a low oven covered in foil through service, and x-fer them to a hot oven to get really hot when they get fired. 86 them when you run out of pre-baked pies.

Personally, I actually like when the bottom crust of a good game pie gets a little moist and chewy on the second day.

There's a place on Route 1 in Vero Beach Florida (can't remember the name) that has lines out the door for it's chicken pot pies. The oh so good filling comes in a large crock, covered with a huge top hat of puff pastry.
The waitress places the top hat of pastry on your plate, then ladles the filling over it. I imagine they prebake the top hats and crisp them up for serving...?

There was a great article on making homemade, individual, frozen chicken pot pies in Cook's Illustrated. It was in the last couple of years so is not yet on the website, but I can check at home tonight if you don't get that magazine and let you know the issue.

Slightly off-topic and certainly not gourmet, but I grew up on Swanson's frozen Chicken Pot Pies! That was my after school meal....and I loved those things. Tried one for old times sake...they taste just the same, although a bit lighter on the chicken and veggies and heavier on the gravy. Not what you want for your service, but a trip down memory lane.

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