Any 'yall cooking with lard?
........if so, what and how often? I've heard they have cleaned it up a bit, any truth in that and to what degree?
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27 Comments:
I don't know about it being cleaned up--it looks and feels like the same old lard to me. I use it only for my flaky, flavorful pie crusts (1 part lard to boost the flavor, 1 part trans fat-free shortening for tenderizing, 1 part butter because, well, it's butter; the rest of the recipe is any of Julia Child's formulas).
I remember frying with it back in the olden days, and with Crisco, too, and I remember everything coming out crunchy but greasy, probably because I didn't have a thermometer to make sure it was hot enough.
betteirene at 4:17PM on 08/09/09
I just can't bring myself to use it. I'm sure there are foods that would benefit from it but I don't want to handle it or eat it.
therealchiffonade at 4:28PM on 08/09/09
You want to use fresh lard that needs to be refrigerated and not hydrogentated lard that has been processed to be shelf stable (aka the Hormel bricks). You can find good lard at butchers, farmers' markets or Mexican grocery stores. Or even better, you can render your own! If you're going to make pastry with the lard, you want to use leaf lard, which is a more delicate fat without the porky undertones. But regular, back-fat lard is great for frying--anything from French fries to fried chicken.
homesicktexan at 4:30PM on 08/09/09
I'm not sure if it's different from before, but I do use it.
I fry with the fresh stuff sometimes and aside from the yummy flavor and crunchiness it imparts on the food, I also like how it doesn't make the house smell of grease for the few days after. It can just handle much higher temps and not burn. Last time I fried a huge batch of potato chips with a friend and at the end she was surprised the lard was as clean as the stuff we started with.
I use the packaged stuff for Chinese goodies like scallion pancakes.
tinat at 6:50PM on 08/09/09
Okay, excuse me for sounding ignorant, but, what EXACTLY is lard? I grew up with jars full of bacon fat and that is what went on toast, used to fry eggs, sautee meat, and slathered on grilled cheese(replacing the butter)
My mom would judiciously mix it with equal parts butter when she was baking as butter was expensive.
Try the grilled cheese with bacon on the bread instead of butter, AMAZING.
donnie at 9:55PM on 08/09/09
confit, baby!
derosa at 10:04PM on 08/09/09
How would they have cleaned up animal fat? This question is quite puzzling.
As far as what I cook with lard, I try to never use the stuff. Sometimes though, if a food involves a meat and there is liquid fat after a pan fry, I will use it to fry other things. (like using bacon or sausage drippings to create a sauce or cook up the veggies they will be served with.)
blizcheetah at 10:05PM on 08/09/09
One more time, what exactly is LARD???
donnie at 10:18PM on 08/09/09
@derosa--I've made confit. Is that simply what we are talking about? Maybe I'm just confused with the "pre-packaged"product. What does that mean? Good lard, gentle lard,fresh lard, hard lard. Is it all equal to the amazing taste of duck fat or bacon fat? If not, i'll stop obsessing.
Just looking for the basic definition of LARD in the foodie community.
Thanks.
donnie at 10:37PM on 08/09/09
@donnie, leaf lard {which is what is properly used for pastry making} is fat that is collected from around the pig's internal organs, mostly the kidneys.
cybercita at 10:40PM on 08/09/09
i've used lard in empanada dough .... it's very flavorful stuff.... but i get it from a really good butcher.... it's white and sweet smelling .... i don't make too many fruit pies .... but i usually use butter when i do....
pooch at 10:45PM on 08/09/09
@cybercita---when we speak of preparations invoving lard, is this the lard we are speaking of?
donnie at 10:51PM on 08/09/09
i no longer eat meat but when i did, i bought leaf lard from flying pigs farm at the union square greenmarket in NYC. it was, as pooch said, white and sweet smelling and imparted a warm, porky flavor to piecrust. it was also viciously expensive.
you can buy big cubes of lard for cheap at the supermarket but it's mostly intended for savory cooking like beans or tortillas.
now you know everything i do about lard.
cybercita at 11:18PM on 08/09/09
@donnie: Lard is pig fat. If it comes from around the kidneys, it is called "leaf lard" and is high quality; if it has been rendered in boiling water and skimmed from the top, it is odor-neutral and is wonderful for baking pie crusts, empanadas or flour tortillas. It has a high smoking point so it's great for frying.
There's a Mexican grocery by me that sells it in small plastic-wrapped bricks--it always smells fresh and clean. In desperation a couple years ago, I bought some sticks of it at a chain grocery--it was probably the Hormel stuff mentioned by @homesicktexan--and it smelled like unsalted bacon grease, which I don't think is good for pie dough. In fact, when my pecan and pumpkin pies came out of the oven, the smell of lard almost overpowered the spices.
And I remember my mother-in-law telling me about growing up poor and being glad to have lard sandwiches on white bread.
betteirene at 11:24PM on 08/09/09
I grew up with lard pie crusts (and with pastry flour). They were divine. But we were using the blocks from the grocery store (snow cap, I think). I don't know if it was hydrogenated. This was 50 years ago.
I still use it on rare occasions just for pie crusts. It does give a distinctive flavor to the crust that I figure others will notice and be put off by. Haven't seen the fine leaf lard that you're talking about. Good lard is reputedly "better" for you than butter.
I found this interesting article about lard. This looks more like bacon fat to me than lard.http://www.ethicurean.com/2006/09/26/lard/
@donnie: I like the idea of grilled cheese cooked with bacon fat - which I always save. I like bacon in my grilled cheese, but this would be a great way to get the flavor without actually adding any more fat to my grilled cheese than iI otherwise would
lemonfair at 4:19AM on 08/10/09
Si. Si. I use 'strutto' or rendered pig fat. Excellent quality strutto is sold in every grocery store in Italy. Pure white, odor less, extremely low melt temp and high smoke temp.
I use it when I make bread sticks (unless I know I'm feeding a vegetarian, then I use olive oil), for frying potatoes, for baking.
It is demonized in Italy which makes it go down so much easier.
Judith klinger at 4:58AM on 08/10/09
Confit is simply slow cooking in fat. I use lard because it is less expensive and easier to find that duck fat. I find no flavor difference. I've used the process on duck legs and pork belly with outstanding results.
derosa at 9:35AM on 08/10/09
i wouldn't fry chicken in anything else and i've tried using healthier options but it just ain't the same. i also use it to season my cast iron pots.
olddad at 9:40AM on 08/10/09
Thanks everyone. Now, let me present this question. What is the difference between lard and shortening? Is there one? My mom use to have bricks of shortening in the pantry for baking.
donnie at 10:19AM on 08/10/09
I use it occasionally. Mostly when cooking pinto beans. I do a little frying with it or add some to oil when frying. It does add wonderful flavor.
CJ McD at 2:09PM on 08/10/09
@donnie, shortening is usually made of vegetable oils... or at least mine is.
blizcheetah at 2:20PM on 08/10/09
I always wanted to cook with it but know that I know exactly what it is..I won't.
kpope at 7:45PM on 08/10/09
Here's an idea, let's use lard AND shortening in some recipes that call for either and write about it! Maybe we can all be in a movie in a few years!
donnie at 11:04PM on 08/10/09
I have been making my own since reading Fat: An Appreciation of a Misunderstood Ingredient, by Jennifer McLagan. It's actually a lot healthier than the so-called "healthy" options. Leaf lard is slightly different than the lard I render from Polyface Farms pork , as it's used mainly for pastry applications. Lard must be tasted to be understood.
browngravy at 10:57AM on 08/12/09
I use bacon fat all the time, mostly just to fry things in, although its best use may well be in quiche crust.
Arjun at 7:04PM on 08/12/09
Life without bacon fat? NEVER. I love using maple bacon and saving the fat for whatever needs a saute. These days, I've taken to cooking bacon in the oven so I can put onions, garlic, mushrooms and other veggies on top to roast. I haven't tried baking with lard before, but I would love to get this leaf lard written about here to try it.
noxturne at 9:10PM on 08/12/09
I absolutely cook with lard. Leaf lard, bought from Grateful Growers Farm in Denver, N.C., rendered from their mostly Tamworth herd of field-raised pigs. For pie crusts and biscuits, there's nothing like it. And one point I haven't seen raised here is that lard is lower in saturated fat than butter. And unlike shortening (until recently), both are free of trans fats. Still higher than olive oil, of course, but if you're eating pie crust and biscuits, you're probably not trying to avoid fat anyway. My rule: If you're going to make it, make the best.
Kathleen Purvis at 8:37AM on 08/13/09