Let's say you're only going to eat "food."
I liked Michael Pollan's book "In Defense of Food," and have been thinking about what changes I'd have to make if I were to follow his suggestions to only eat real food - those suggestions loosely being: 1) Don't eat anything whose ingredients your grandmother wouldn't recognize as food 2) don't anything with ingredients you don't recognize 3) don't eat anything with more than 5 ingredients (unless you've put the >5 ingredients together yourself), 4) Don't eat anything with corn syrup, and 5) Don't eat any food that makes a health claim.
I guess the principal food that doesn't pass muster that I'd have to give up is Hellman's Light Mayonnaise, which I now actually prefer. But I think Pollan's suggestions are worthy, so I'm going to try real mayo again (I'm thinking Cain's).
How about you? What do you currently eat that isn't "food?"
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31 Comments:
I'm another Hellman's Light Mayo user, although I use maybe a teaspoon a month at most (I don't like any mayo very much, but use it as a binder whenever I have tuna salad, and as the fat for making grilled cheese). The three biggest things I eat that I probably should not are: Fiber One Honey Clusters cereal, Nature's Valley crunchy granola bars (peanut butter flavor, preferably), and vegetarian meatballs (or "veg-t-balls"). I'm sure there are others, but day-to-day, those are my biggest. Maybe the boxes of wheat pasta--I'm not sure what's in those and I definitely eat that stuff!
littlestcapy at 10:32AM on 07/29/09
Food and rules (especially rules that are numbered) don't mix in my book.
derosa at 11:06AM on 07/29/09
My grandmother wouldn't have recognized balsamic vinegar, skim milk, any of a number of great cheeses, Srichaca, etc. Everything in moderation, my friends. Bon Apetit just had an article about bacon having some "good fat" in it. Does that make it a health claim and therefore off limits....cause that is just wrong.
ocarol at 11:44AM on 07/29/09
I actually just finished IDoF and found myself mentally editing the rules as I read. the "grandmother" rule I altered to "don't eat anything that ANYONE's grandmother wouldn't recognize" because I do eat lots that dear grandma wouldn't recognize, but someone's Greek or Indian or Japanese grandmother might.
The only one of the rules that I truly break is that I do on occasion use splenda or splenda-sweetened baked goods, which I bake myself. It's not an artificial-sweetener overload, just an occasional thing, but MP would definitely not approve.
wasliche at 11:59AM on 07/29/09
Once in awhile we go crazy and have Boca faux chicken nuggets. Pollan isn't trying to be rigid - and in fact that's why his primary suggestion is simply "eat food." The grandmother thing isn't meant to be taken literally. Balsamic vinegar has been made for hundreds of years - like @wasliche says, it's about somebody's grandmother (not necessarily one's own - mine would never have eaten sushi!) recognizing it.
On the other hand, @ocarol, I'd argue that skim milk is pretty close to a non-food. It's certainly not a whole food, and it's harder to digest than unaltered full-fat milk. Bacon made from pigs who roam freely and eat their natural diet without any antibiotics or hormones definitely does have health-giving fats containing CLA etc. - the same can be said for butter from healthy cows or the skin of healthy chickens.
But trying to characterize Pollan as saying that ANY health claim is dubious is intentionally misleading. He's referring to packaged, processed foods with labels that shout e.g. (for sugar-laden cereals) "made with whole grains" or (for highly processed soy products like the Boca ones I sometimes indulge in) "soy protein may fight heart disease." He's not talking about someone in a publication writing an article about the actual health benefits of a real food. That's absurd.
producestories at 12:15PM on 07/29/09
@all - It's difficult to summarize this book, and thought I'd put the "rules" in for those who haven't read it. But in truth, Pollan is very much more in the spirit of "no rules." In fact, this is a manifesto against what he calls nutritionism - it's about how we've screwed up our eating by focusing on nutrients instead of food. So the "rules" are just to separate what he considers food from what might not be.
He also said people can stay healthy on any traditional diet in the world, but that doesn't include the Western diet
If you've found my summary off-putting I hope you'll give the book a chance. It's a refreshing plea to return to when we really didn't have to worry about what we eat - when in fact we took pleasure in our food, because it was real food.
lemonfair at 12:25PM on 07/29/09
@ocarol - no, bacon is fine. It's real food. I should have said no food "product" that makes a health claim. And I should have called them "guidelines for helping you decide what's real food," not "rules."
lemonfair at 12:28PM on 07/29/09
I'm a big fan of no rules as well. Maybe the idea is to eat more foods in states closer to the way they grow, but the message gets twisted into its own brand of "nutritionism."
tangledgray at 1:01PM on 07/29/09
Lemonfair, you should try to make homemade mayonnaise in a blender. It's not as thick as Cain's or Hellman's but tastes better. Many cookbooks have a recipe. Most say to use it up within three days, but I've kept homemade mayonnaise for more than 2 weeks without any problem. The best storebought mayo I've found is by Delouis. I would suggest that you make the mayo with peanut oil or light olive oil instead of extra virgin olive oil.
I find Michael Pollan too sanctimonius so I avoid his books and find inspiration from the cookbooks I enjoy and The Art of Eating. The fake food I like the most is Equal followed by the Bloomingdales frozen yogurt every few months.
Ortolan at 1:38PM on 07/29/09
If I had to eat only what my grandmother would recognize as food, I'd be dead in a week. Needless to say, neither one could cook. One ate food from a box, the other ate cornbread and beans--every day.
beth1 at 1:53PM on 07/29/09
If you are going to transition back to real mayo, Duke's is the only way to go. Depending on where you live, though, it might be hard to find (it's a southern thing).
ProfessorChaos at 2:00PM on 07/29/09
Ortolan: thanks for the suggestion to make homemade, and the brand suggestion. Is Delouis regional also? I haven't seen it.
@Professor Chaos: I'm in the Northeast, so may have trouble finding Duke's, which I don't ever recall seeing, but I'll look at my coop.
I didn't realize I would touch a nerve with Pollan's book (or maybe I just described it badly). I haven't read Omnivire's Dilemma, but I liked The Botany of Desire as well as this one.
lemonfair at 2:12PM on 07/29/09
@lemon try the Omnivore's Dilema. It is a bit sanctimonious as others have noticed Pollan tends to be, and some of his logic is a bit off, but it also contains some fascinating information. It also discusses the same guidelines you mentioned.
ProfessorChaos at 2:21PM on 07/29/09
Well if we're going by those rules then my bowls of Honey Nut Cheerios aren't real food...
gingercookiewithlime at 2:44PM on 07/29/09
What if Grandma worked in a food processing plant, doesn't that void the rules a little? and don't forget worchester sauce has 10 or so ingredients so don't use that or anything you make is over the 5 ingredients rule. then to be truly cynical, everyone says home grown and family farm raised is healthier for you, so I can't eat that because of the health claim by Pollan himself. Wait he says health claims are dubious and misleading, OMG a paradox! Oh well, ding dongs and Ho Ho's for dinner tonight.
Meat guy at 3:10PM on 07/29/09
i think people are missing the spirit of the post, simple message:
don't eat foods that are processed, i.e. cook and eat a beet, don't buy a jar of pickled beets that has corn syrup or other crap in it. that's all.
a hunk of farmstead cheese made with good quality milk might be better for you than kraft american slices....
of course, it depends on what your tastes are and what you like to eat....
some people eat tons of processed foods and don't even give it a second thought.
it's all about balance, if you feel like eating ding dogs and ho ho's for dinner @meat guy, by all means, go for it! i may have a grass fed hamburger with a big bag of potato chips on the side!
happy = healthy - my mom is 85, lives on bacon & eggs (not the organic good kind), ice cream, has candy for lunch .... my grandfather, 94, lived on coffee, cigarettes, donuts and pasta. i think genetics has a lot to do with it.
pooch at 3:29PM on 07/29/09
@professor--my brother in law is a doctor in Iowa. He grew up in South Carolina, and a Duke's addict. He has it shipped to him.
beth1 at 3:46PM on 07/29/09
My regular diet is all real food. But sometimes I'll have nondairy icecream or yogurt or whatev.
KarynMC at 3:49PM on 07/29/09
I am currently paying the piper for a couple of years of comfort food, all of which was prepared from scratch using whole foods. I used cooking as therapy and because I want my grandchild to know what real food tastes like. I am not however a pure purist. I make my own pickles, jams and ketchup. I also pick up a frozen pizza once in a while when I am dead tired and we need something to eat. I am really tired of feeling guilty all the time about what I am or am not doing to make myself healthier/greener/thinner. I am more good than bad. Everyone who reads this site is probably that. None of this is not to say that striving for excellence isnt a good goal.
ocarol at 4:28PM on 07/29/09
oops, double negative...sorry!
ocarol at 4:40PM on 07/29/09
Lemonfair, the Delouis brand is from France. They also make mustards.
Ortolan at 4:41PM on 07/29/09
About 10 yrs ago I made a pact with myself that I would avoid purchasing items at the supermarket with either artificial ingredients or ingredients I could not pronounce... following this rule I stopped buying a bunch of convenience food I used to love and stopped purchasing most canned stuff. Someone even encouraged me to buy products with no ingredients list at all... meaning trying as much as possible to only eat fresh ingredients from a farmer's market.
I think with my hurried lifestyle that's a but too much, but I know subscribe to a CSA and purchase WAY more produce than I used to before. It's not impossible, but it's something to get used to little by little...
MadelynRodriguez at 4:52PM on 07/29/09
My granny just ate cakes and white bread, so I think that granny stuff is a pile of rubbish. I think doing your best to mostly eat unprocessed food and to eat lots of fruit and veggies is great though, and I do feel pretty bad when I eat too much sugar and refined flour...
Totally agree about the hellmanns light!
jennywenny at 6:13PM on 07/29/09
All of these mayos can be found on amazon
inkandsausages at 9:54PM on 07/29/09
I had been using a either Spectrum mayo and WF store brand for years while many of my friends said that Hellmanns was the best. Even David Rosengarten in his book "It's all American Food" describes an experience where a famous French pastry chef buys Hellmanns in an American style grocery store, proclaiming it the best.
To see what I was missing, I finally bought Hellmans and found both the flavor and texture disappointing. Also, I can't stand any "lite" mayo"
yayfood at 10:47PM on 07/29/09
I've been cutting out processed foods bit by bit over a number of years, and now I've lost my taste for the stuff. It's not like I'm denying myself anything, it's just that if I want something, I make it, whether it's bread, cookies, ice cream, salad dressing, stock, or anything else. I'm not morally opposed or offended if someone else eats the stuff, it's just that I don't crave the stuff, and there's usually something else I'd rather have.
But if I want junk food, I don't deny myself. Now and then, I want Cheetos. Maybe once or twice a year. But I don't agonize about it, I just buy them.
dbcurrie at 11:39PM on 07/29/09
1) If you are talking my mothers side this bans half the vegetables and spices that exist. It also disallows anything "ethnic" which is not french canadian. If you are talking my fathers side this bans anything not indian and any meats.
2) Fair enough.
3) No friggin way. how many ingredients in a clam chowder? or a bread? or a sausage? or a tomato sauce?
4) While I can understand this rule, I have no desire to follow it.
5) You mean I cant eat an apple? very puzzled.
blizcheetah at 12:18AM on 07/30/09
As has been alluded to before, Pollan is simply using a figure of speech, not literally intending that you shouldn't eat something if your grandmother wouldn't recognize it... my French Canadian grandmother, if she were alive today, would only recognize a small percentage of what I eat daily. He's talking about the food industry, about what we now consider to be 'food', as opposed to what was considered 'food' 100 years ago. You really have to read "Omnivore's Dilemma" to fully understand many of the arguments made in "Defense of Food". I doubt anyone's grandma would think very highly of 'hydroxypropyl methylcellulose', an ingredient in the most processed thing I could find in my cupboard, Dream Whip. I doubt Pollan would say "Never, Ever eat Dream Whip"... though he might say, "don't feed this to your kids in large portions on a daily basis".
moeboyd at 8:53AM on 07/30/09
@moeboyd... yes, exactly. The grandmother thing is just a way to frame the "algorithms" that he talks about... my own grandmothers (heck, my own mother) wouldn't recognize some of the stuff I eat (curries, chiles, fish sauce, saag paneer) but someone, somewhere in the world, of my grandmother's generation would be able to look at the food and say, yes, that is indeed food and safe to eat.
These aren't meant to be rules per se, but "guidelines"... kind of like speed limits on the highway, sometimes they make sense and sometimes not, and if you break them you aren't necessarily going to keel over dead that instant.
After I read "OD" and some South Beach based stuff, I started looking closer for corn starch, HFCS, etc in processed foods... and it opened my eyes. It made it really hard to put some of that stuff in my grocery cart - knowing that I was essentially endorsing the food to the hubby (if I bring it home, it's assumed to be fairly healthy and probably not lethal). Corn based stuff as well as trans fats. I felt like I just couldn't do that to someone I love, and we are probably both healthier as a result.
wasliche at 11:34AM on 07/30/09
I think the grandmother analogy is poorly stated or maybe poorly interpreted. I think what he's trying to say is that you should avoid (not ban...just try to avoid) foods that are created in processes that someone from granny's generation couldn't have accomplished. So, no chemically hydrogenated mutant oils or burgers with a 2-year shelf life at room temp.
By that logic, all natural fruits, veggies, herbs, spices, nuts and meats would be perfectly acceptable because even if granny didn't eat avocados or artichokes, people of her generation somewhere in the world would have recognized those as possible food.
Pressing olives to get oil is understandable. Making butter-like products out of petrochemicals is not. Boiling sugar cane and letting the liquid dry and crystalize is an understandable process. Making sweeteners in a lab is not.
The five-ingredient rule is pretty arbitrary, but the general idea is that if you're going to buy a can of whole peeled tomatoes, the ingredient list doesn't need to have fifteen things. Go for the ones with the shortest list of things that seem to make sense for the product you're buying. If there are a dozen named herbs and spices and you happen to like those flavors, there's nothing wrong with that product, but if it's a bunch of mysterious chemicals and artificial flavors, it might be better to look elsewhere.
For example, I buy instant mashed potatoes that I use in breadmaking. Last time I bought a box, I compared the ingredients in the different brands. One was essentially dried potatoes and something else benign. Another major brand had a long list of ingredients. I went for the one with the short list.
As far as corn syrup, I can see his point in that it's included in so many things that you wouldn't sweeten if you were making it at home. So you're getting added calories when you aren't paying attention. I can make a nice salad dressing with vinegar, oil, and some herbs/spices, but a lot of the store-bought ones are loaded with sweeteners. On the other hand, I have a bottle of corn syrup (regular, not HFCS) in my cabinet for candy-making. I don't feel bad about it at all. I don't use much, and it's for something that's an indulgence. If I was pouring it into my spaghetti sauce, that would be a different story.
dbcurrie at 2:08PM on 07/30/09
No Corn Syrup? Hope you won't miss Pecan Pie!
peekpoke at 3:41AM on 08/22/09