Eating with Dieters
A friend of mine started dieting this year for no apparent reason. She isn't fat, nor does she have high cholesterol or diabetes.
We often used to eat out together, but now its just annoying to eat with her! She never actually points it out, but I can tell she is avoiding everything "fattening" and it pressures me to do the same...
Have you ever been stuck with this dilemma? What did you do about it?
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39 Comments:
Ignore what they're doing and order what I want to. If she's not being uppity, why are you letting her menu decisions affect yours?
unarata at 11:13PM on 07/06/09
Is she dieting or choosing healthier foods? Over the years, I have cut certain foods out of my everyday diet but it didn't mean I was dieting - I just wanted to be healthier.
Let her eat what she wants and you should eat what you want. I don't comment on my friends food choices and they don't comment on mine except in admiration. If she's being a health food nazi, tell her to shut it or don't eat with you anymore.
QueenAlli at 11:18PM on 07/06/09
If you cannot eat what you want when you want you need to not eat with them. OR eat everything you want in front of them and go mmmm oooooh yeaaaa oh its soooo goood oh god. LOL
JerzeeTomato at 11:23PM on 07/06/09
I don't think she's choosing healthier foods.
She would always go with the lower calorie one, despite its nutrition content. ..
crumbles at 11:47PM on 07/06/09
I just ignore them and eat what the hell I want to eat. If it gets out of hand with the nagging (which it has) I tell them that I am a grown adult and have a mother thank you very much. If they still don't lay off then I avoid going out with that person.
pjracz10 at 12:39AM on 07/07/09
If she hasn't pointed it out, I'm curious how you know she's going with the low calorie option versus something she'd rather eat that's higher in calorie. I mean, are there calorie counts on the menu, or is she ordering something extremely obvious, like a salad with no dressing?
I tend to eat "lighter" food in the summer -- could that be what she's doing and your mistaking it for calorie counting? Or maybe she's trying to avoid a particular ingredient, and the remaining choices just happen to be on the light end of the menu.
Seems to me that if she's not saying anything about her choices, then she's not saying anything about yours either...so where is the pressure coming from? Just order what you want. If your choices aren't pressuring her to order differently, I honestly don't see why her choices should pressure you into ordering differently.
If her ordering is really bothering you, talk to her. Like, "Hey, you seem to be ordering a lot of things that seem low-cal. Is everything okay with you?"
dbcurrie at 1:02AM on 07/07/09
If she's not making a big deal out of it what's the problem? I have people I wont go out to eat with because of the way they nag me "eat more whats wrong with you" as long as the other person isnt bugging you about what you are doing have the same respect and just enjoy the meal, she may have health issues you dont know about, or it may just be personal preferences.
huneybumper at 7:57AM on 07/07/09
What huneybumper said.
I've been on boh sides of this. After my 3rd child, the weight stayed on, and on, and on, and I struggled to pay attention to what my body actually needed. The temptations were constant, and I feared not caring enough to eat what I should, not what I wanted. Big difference there. Eating "properly" i.e. portion control, etc, does not come naturally to me- it's got to be a conscious discipline or else. It was hard when family members pointed out my food choices without respecting my reasons, which I did not broadcast.
OTOH, I have a SIL who, "for no apparant reason" other than overall good health concerns, eats in an annoyingly self-righteous way. There is little joy in enjoying a meal around her, for she can lay on the guilt to the rest of us, removing all delight in eating.
People need to take control of their own desires concerning food, whether for personal health or personal enjoyment. The key phrase in your comment was "for no apparant reason", which tells me your friend may have very personal reasons for eating as she is. My advice is politely respect her but do ask for the same respect if your eating choices vary substantially.
moibec at 8:21AM on 07/07/09
@huneybumper is right on. If she's not rolling her eyes or talking about how fattening your food is, she may have reasons beyond just "dieting" for choosing lighter foods, especially in the summer. It's hard enough to stick to a healthy diet without having to worry that your friends think you're judging them - even if you're not saying anything about their food choices. It might be worth bringing it up in a non-provoking manner, though, if it would ease your mind.
producestories at 9:06AM on 07/07/09
Chill out. I do get annoyed by people who purposefully eat less than I do (I know one girl who will eye my plate and watch carefully to make sure that she eats less), but excepting a possible ED, there's nothing wrong with ordering chocolate cake while your friend orders a salad. She's not pressuring you, so let it go, or find non-food related activities that you can enjoy together.
KarynMC at 9:48AM on 07/07/09
If she isn't actually putting it on you (which sometimes happens, I have a coworker who is super particular about what she eats, and she makes these little but condescending/judgemental comments when I run into her in the kitchen and I happen to be eating junk food), let it go. If she IS actually putting it on you, stop eating out with her - go for coffee or a walk or shopping instead.
joyyy at 11:21AM on 07/07/09
-disclaimer- This is what goes on with me in my messed up little mind. It may not apply to you or your situation:
When my weight is on an upswing and I'm out with a friend who is eating healthy or looking trim, I get a little bit jealous and sort of feel bad about myself. I always manage to get over it, but my mind always "goes there."
If your friend isn't saying anything, just leave it alone. Don't worry about what she eats, just worry about yourself. Who knows, maybe she eats two pieces of cheesecake for breakfast every day and needs to eat dry salads at lunch and dinner to keep her weight in check.
Kerosena at 12:07PM on 07/07/09
I disagree with many of you here. Sometimes, a person doesn't need to say anything but you know you are being judged, and it's definitely not in your head. I'll give you a very good example.
My MIL "used to be anorexic" by her own admission, I never saw my SIL eat anything other than a salad, and when either of them sees a person, the first thing they notice about him or her is their weight. I know that they judge what their companions eat when eating out with them, even if they don't say it to your face (a year and a half later, I still hear stories about a "rack of lamb!!!" that my MIL's girlfriend ordered when having dinner with them). The funny thing is, I don't eat much simply because I physically cannot, and I usually order 2 starters when eating out (seafood, for the most part), so I manage to eat what I enjoy and not get a mental eye roll from either of them. But I can tell you that if I were to order anything that they perceive as "fattening", I absolutely would be judged. Yeah, they wouldn't say anything to my face. But just like my MIL still talks about that poor rack of lamb, they would talk for years about my unfortunate choice...which makes me think that I should do it once, just for fun!:-)
brooke29 at 12:46PM on 07/07/09
What huneybumper said.
It's only bothering you bcause you insist on pointing it out to yourself.
She could just be genuinely ready for her lifestyle change;
you should congratulate her!
If it really bothers you too--all the time--maybe you guys could avoid dinners when you chill? Tea time? Some kind-of outdoor activity?
On the flip-side I find it TERRIBLY annoying when my friends question why I'm ordering a salad like "Why are you getting the least-fattening item? You don't need to watch your weight..." !? I'm like: "UH ugh!...cuz I want a salad!?" or if I really realy don't want to eat a piece of chocolate because I don't feel like it.
It's astonishing to people and they make me feel like an outcast.
hungrychristel at 2:59PM on 07/07/09
shes like...stick skinny. I don't know why she would diet. shes underweight!
crumbles at 8:50PM on 07/07/09
Perhaps she really is just making a conscious effort to eat healthier, as others have said. But if she is "stick skinny," as you say, then I might ask her if everything is okay. Otherwise, order what you want and enjoy it.
sarar at 9:46PM on 07/07/09
Never go out to eat with anorexics. It is too complicated and ruins digestion.
JerzeeTomato at 10:42PM on 07/07/09
@crumbles as someone who is underweight I have people I wont eat around because they are they ones always loudly judging what I eat. I dont judge them, and some of my friends qualify as morbidly obese, I dont care what they eat, but they always feel the need to use their loudest voice when asking whats wrong with the food why arent you eating? As much as a heavy person dislikes having their food choices commented on I feel the same. Order what you want, eat what you want, and keep your nose in your own plate!!!!!
huneybumper at 8:08AM on 07/08/09
Not everyone who's underweight and watches what they eat has an eating disorder. There are other signs to look for besides what she's eating too, which may include, among other things, preoccupation with food (e.g. constantly thinking and/or talking about food, sudden interest in recipes/cooking shows/food blogs/menus, etc), obsession with calorie counts, sudden obsession with exercise as a means to purge the body of calories (rather than other reasons), hesitance to eat around other people, going to the bathroom after meals, secretive eating behavior, baggy clothing, use of diet pills/laxatives, obsession with weight, pushing food around her plate or cutting it into tiny pieces, etc. If you believe she might actually have an eating disorder, then get her help, though keep in mind she won't recover until SHE wants to recover. Otherwise, let her eat what she wants and ignore her food choices.
cycorider at 8:33AM on 07/08/09
I'm not a heavy, chubby or overweight person by any means, I eat generally healthy and really, really, don't have any food or weight-related issues (never had, either, although I suppose I used to be underweight. I also used to hear "I hate you that you can eat this and stay so thin" from a colleague every time she saw me eating a croissant for breakfast. It wasn't pleasant) - but I reiterate, there are people out there who judge what and how much one orders when eating out with them, no matter how thin or heavy one may be.
You can't just say, "it's all in your head" - I have a very real example, and have I mentioned that the 'rack of lamb" story refuses to die a year and a half later? The woman who ordered it wasn't heavy, and wasn't ashamed of her choice, but I don't know if she'd ordered it had she known how many times it would be mentioned in the next 1.5 years! The only solution is just not to eat out with people like this...unless it's family and you simply can't get out of it.
brooke29 at 1:03PM on 07/08/09
If shes like...stick skinny and shes underweight, perhaps the best thing to do as a friend is show some concern (genuine, not humour)
she may open up to you
hungrychristel at 1:20PM on 07/08/09
Okay, maybe your friend is judging you, but aren't you judging her as well? You've called her skinny and said that she doesn't need to be on a diet. Sounds like you're paying the same attention to her eating habits as you say she's paying to yours.
Maybe she does need to be on a diet because of health reasons she hasn't discussed with you. Maybe she's not on a diet, but she just happens to like the lighter food choices. Maybe she's planning on a heavier meal later, and she's "saving room." Maybe she's not "stick skinny" but she's a healthy weight for her height, and she has to work at being there. Just because someone is thin, it doesn't mean that they're ill or that they don't need to watch what they eat.
If you're not comfortable with what she's eating in front of you -- whether she's judging you or not -- it's not fair to expect her to change her eating habits to match yours. So that leaves you with several other choices. You can choose not to eat with her and pursue other activities; you can end the friendship; you can have a heart-to-heart conversation with her and come to some sort of understanding; you can continue to eat what you want, ignore what she eats, and ignore the judging; or you can order what she does, pretend that it's what you want, and start resenting her control over what you eat.
People will judge. Friends, relatives and strangers will look at what you're eating and make assumptions. Maybe you're eating too much, not enough, not the right thing, too many carbs, too many fats...but really, what does one meal say about a person's overall diet? I might order dessert for lunch at a place that is famous for desserts, but that might be the only dessert I eat all week. I might order salad for lunch because I like salad, and not for any other reason. If someone wants to judge what's on my plate or in my shopping cart, I figure that it's their problem, not mine.
dbcurrie at 2:24PM on 07/08/09
Dont worry about it.
"No one can make you feel inferior without your consent."
Eleanor Roosevelt,
gabrol at 2:54PM on 07/08/09
"What did you do about it?"
I order what ever I want, and then I eat it slowly, making sure to express my satisfaction and taking care to really enjoy myself. Which is what I always do, regardless of who I'm eating with.
simon at 3:27PM on 07/08/09
If my wife is on a diet, I try not to eat the things she can't around her. Anyone else, be it a diet, or God forbid, a vegan, I don't care. I'll eat what I want, when I want.
Raiders757 at 6:57PM on 07/08/09
too often women are cruel too each other about their diets.
if she's trying, rock on.
if you want to pig out, take a different friend
sparkle_leech at 10:50PM on 07/08/09
Dieting can also be a way to fend off the high cholesterol or diabetes. High cholesterol runs in my family so even when I didn't have it I would avoid eating really fatty stuff that was bad for me. This sudden shift could be that she's becoming more aware of what she's putting in her body? Maybe I'm being too optimistic.
I say eat what you want and don't be a jerk about it and she should do the same. (I'm not implying that you're a jerk)
gingercookiewithlime at 11:10PM on 07/08/09
Ignore the dieter and eat what you want. My husband has weight issues, but I do not. I love to eat and he refuses to take any measures, such as portion control and love of sugar, to control his weight. I am not going to feel guilty if I want prime rib for dinner. I am tired of feeling bad that I don't make low calorie meals every night of the week. So, eat what you want.
jrtmom at 9:59AM on 07/09/09
Eat what you want and when she asks for a bite tell her that as her friend you wont let her stray from her diet, so no bites for her. after all what are friends for?
CATERPILLARGIRL at 11:21AM on 07/09/09
I've come to realize that most, if not all, of my close friends were picked because of their shared love of a good meal (and sometimes, just an appreciation for pigging out). I hateee hearing "I hate you for eating all that and still being so skinny" and "cupcakes for breakfast again?!" from coworkers and friends alike. I enjoy food and hate having my eating habits scrutinized. Your friend might just have realized that she could make a few changes with her diet just for health reasons (shinier hair, nice skin, etc) instead of anything related to an eating disorder. If you really feel so self conscious about it, perhaps you should bring it up at your next encounter and just let her know you're making sure there's nothing wrong with her eating habits. Then just let go and enjoy what you want because there are too many delicious things that have yet to be exposed to your tastebuds :)
littlemissnom at 3:17PM on 07/09/09
It's really hard to tell what's going on - in fact, it's pretty hard to tell someone's health or mindset from weight and food choices alone. I went through a period of orthorexia-type eating where I probably seemed pretty similar to your friend (though I wasn't underweight). It looked like healthy eating on the surface, but I was miserable, obsessed, and actually eating pretty unheathily in some ways (note: two salads a day = bad for digestive system).
That said, if the only pressure in the situation is coming from you, then that's your issue and not hers. Remember that eating isn't a moral battle or a competitive sport. Yes, a salad with vinaigrette is better for most people than a deep fried chocolate bar (always exceptions - my friend with severe Crohns would end up in surgery if she ate the former), but low calorie isn't often better and a variety of foods is best.
Cyclorider has some good info on other signs of an eating disorder. If she has one, it's not about body size or what she ate for lunch - it's a much deeper problem. If she's a close friend, then think about whether it's an issue that needs help. But be sure that you're not judging based on a few meal orders and her body size - being judgmental is a big part of the problem.
(yes - it's no fun to feel guilty over what you're eating. but there's someone in this world who's going to make you feel guilty over every single thing that goes in your mouth - whether it's carbs or animal protein or processed or grown too far from your home or too cheap or too expensive. the key is to ignore eat, eat so your body feels good and to enjoy)
tangledgray at 5:30PM on 07/09/09
I would totally go and eat the fattiest option on the menu. And enjoy it a lot.
wunami at 6:49PM on 07/09/09
I am at the lowest end of the "healthy weight" for my height. I eat much less than I used to for a couple of reasons: my digestive system really can't handle a lot of fatty food anymore, and even though I'm comfortable with my weight, I feel I need to "diet" to maintain that weight.
For some reason, people feel like it's okay to make comments if you eat small amounts and are a normal weight, but not if you're eating "fatty" foods and are overweight. I think if she's not saying anything directly, and it doesn't sound like she is, you shouldn't let it it get to you. She may feel just as judged by you as you do by her. If she does make one of those snide comments (I'm sure we've all gotten them!) or even rolls her eyes at you, I would definitely say something: she's opening the door.
embolini9 at 7:53AM on 07/10/09
I try to find the most unhealthy item on the menu and order it. Every chance I get, I tell the person I'm eating with how delicious it is.
loefflea at 4:19PM on 07/10/09
What dilemma? Unless she is picking out your food for you, her choices have no bearing on you whatsoever. I eat with friends who are vegan, dieting, no-carbing, and none of it affects my eating choices in any way.
Dcarl1 at 12:34PM on 07/13/09
Have you considered just asking her if she's on a diet? If a close friend was suddenly changing their behavior and I found it worrisome, then I'd ask them about it. Otherwise, it sounds like you're being weirded out for no particular reason. Just order what you'd normally order.
Amandarama at 12:45PM on 07/13/09
This is such a hot topic for me! I eat healthy for the most part and despise when people point out or make fun of my healthy food selections. I have found I get the most comments from people who struggle with their own weight and dieting. I get the impression they resent others who have the willpower to order veggies and hummus when snacking at happy hour, and not tater tots and pork sliders (yes, this is a specific example) so they go into attack mode. I am not sharing my opinion on what they order, because I do not care. Why the need to make me feel uncomfortable? Can we all please keep our eyes on our own work? (Forks, however, are free to wander... unless you are mocking my food selection!)
fdr1952 at 2:31PM on 07/13/09
A person should be able to eat what he or she wants and avoid what he or she wants without pressure from other diners. However, if this person inflicts his or her lifestyle on you, that's a no-no.
Tell your friend she is free to observe whatever diet she likes but if she plans to dine with you, she should keep her kibbitzing to herself. It's rude.
therealchiffonade at 3:23PM on 07/13/09
Perhaps she hasn't shared her health concerns with you, out of fear you would be judging her choices or nagging when she falls off the wagon. It's often easier to just say you're dieting than trying to explain.
If she's not saying anything to you about what you eat, then you should order whatever you want without pressure. People have different tastes, different moods. Feeling like you have to order the same way sounds almost co-dependent. You're individuals!
lyricanjl at 3:59PM on 07/13/09