Some potluck etiquette questions...
I've been fascinated by all of the recent potluck questions, because I haven't been to one since I was age eight or so--perhaps SE is spotting a new trend!
But I have a few questions:
1, Is the hostess obliged to display all of the dishes that are bought?
I only ask because I have attended numerous family dinners and because I feel that it is good manners to bring something I have bought (on different occasions): heart-shaped chocolate-dipped shortbread, bread, wine, chocolates, candy, and flowers all of which were 'circularly filed' by my stepmother. Obviously, I was hurt (especially since the other women had their stuff served).
But it would seem that at a potluck everyone's dish would have to be served--am I right?
2. Are there any dishes that are not 'okay' to bring--like things that require lots of refrigerator space/reheating?
3. Beyond general guidelines like 'bring an appetizer' how controlling can a host/hostess be regarding what people bring (food allergies, dietary restrictions and beliefs and so forth)?
4. Is there a certain limit to a number of people who can be asked--for example, some guests might be intimidated about cooking for large crowds.
I can't help chuckle because I vaguely recall my mother--who hated cooking--would always bring the same thing when there was a potluck at my Brownie troop--antipasto salad from the local pizza place (lettuce, salami, provolone, olives, peppers--all high quality) and so forth. At work, during 'enforced' potlucks she would bring paper plates, and mightily complain about the imposition. So as a final question:
5. Is it acceptable for a 'non-cooking' person or non-foodie to bring a store-bought item?
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29 Comments:
I would say that everthing should be served, if there are duplicates of the same dish they should all go out also, some peoples versions are entirely different than others and its always cool to taste those differences. Its rude to "reserve" a dish and then later say "we didnt use it"
CATERPILLARGIRL at 8:22AM on 06/09/09
In an earlier post I mentioned that I had a potluck luncheon for my friends. I always remind them that I will supply the drink, wine and desserts. I joke to bring a dish to serve 100 and that it can't be low calorie. I used to make up a cheese and vegetable dish/dip, but my friends started bringing munchie type of things and one year it seemed that it was an all appetizer luncheon. It bothered me at first that they weren't following my rules, but then it occurred to me that I was being a bit silly, if not controlling. I needed to realize how lucky that I had all of these people in my company.
I put every last dish on my table even the store bought items. Not everyone can be a rock star in the kitchen, but they can be my friends, so on a table meant to seat 14, twenty five ladies with twenty five dishes crowd around to dish, tell off color jokes and catch up on the last year. I have done this for 30 years.
I have plenty of fridge space, but there is only so much that can go in the oven at one time. Some friends have pyrex dishes that include a warming cover and that is helpful. The micro can heat up a few things quickly as well. Again, I emphasize that one has to let go of their expectations when they ask someone to make something for the dinner.
As for the wicked stepmother..that is just plain awful. When my daughter or son make something for a dinner, I go out of my way to mention it to guests.
janaatwg at 8:23AM on 06/09/09
I would say that if you are going to have a potluck you should bring out all the dishes. I also think it's a good idea to ask your guestslabel your dish so that people with allergies or whatever know what's in the mystery casserole. If you know your guest has a major food allergy or complication you might want to make sure you serve a dish that they can eat so they aren't just eating the food they brought.
I've attened many a potluck where there are sign ups for certain types of food so that you don't end up with 15 appetizers and so people can bring plates or drinks if they prefer.
missjess at 9:09AM on 06/09/09
I don't think are hard and fast rules for potlucks. They're casual. It's not a state dinner. But as always people should used their best judgment - for example, I think guests should call and say the type of dish they are bringing so that the host can plan better. And on the flip side of that the host should be open-minded.
My mother used to bring baklava to my aunt's parties, but the baklava would go directly into her kitchen - she wanted to save it for herself rather than watch it disappear! So that was a compliment!
yayfood at 9:43AM on 06/09/09
1. I think it depends. If something is small or packaged (like.. a box of truffles) I think its ok for the host to keep it for himself/herself. To me, it seems like it'd be a gift, rather than part of the party.
2. If i bring something complicated, I like to ask the host first. and then show up early so I can do whatever I need to do without the crowd around. This also means i can help with little things, if the host needs anything.
3. I think the point of potlucks is to have variety. If the host has a personal preference, then s/he can state it. And as a guest, it's good to be conscious of others.
4. When you have a party of 50 people, no one expects you to cook for 50 servings. If everyone brings family-sized portion, it should be good. Then anyone else who can handle it can bring more. I try to be that person, to relieve others and the host.
5. YES! but please, please think of something nice and thoughtful. not a dinky bag of oreos...
engmcmuffin at 9:46AM on 06/09/09
@Heart of Glass - your SM probably wanted to keep your obviously beautiful gifts for a time when she could present them as "hers." LOL.
I can't believe you have escaped "potluck hell" - it seems like every gathering except family (who will bring what I ask) is a potluck. I personally don't have them at my house, because I find the last minute "zoo" too confusing - some people bring salad fixings to wash, cut and make in my small kitchen (believe me, this has happened more than once), others come with food that needs warming, cooling, last minute attention, etc. I would rather have my stuff ready to go, know what has to be warmed, cooled - if people really want to help, I will ask them to bring some pretty paper napkins, wine, flowers, beer - the cost of all these things add up and it helps the hostess offset expenses. This is just my preference - many others like the idea of lots of different dishes on the table and don't mind the confusion, but I guess I am a bit of a "control freak" and feel better knowing that the potato salad is delcious, the salad is crisp and fresh, the condiments are covered, the bread rolls are not stale, and the meat is top quality.
If I never had to attend a potluck again, I would consider myself a lucky woman!
bareneed at 10:00AM on 06/09/09
I love potlucks but they shouldn't be for every occasion. And often when I'm not specifically throwing a potluck people offer to bring stuff. I wonder why potlucks seem to generate so much discussion. It's a nice communal party. It seems to me they should be informal and relaxed.
1 Yes. That's the whole point! If they don't something is wrong with the host (i.e. they are rude or greedy). When people bring stuff I put it out immediately and tell people it's there. Even if it's something I personally wouldn't eat (which is rare to find) I leave it out and let everyone else try it.
2. If you bring something that needs to be warm or cold, you should bring what's needed to keep it that way. Like a crock pot or some ice and bowl to place under the serving dish. The host might not have these things handy.
3. Depends on the crowd. If someone has a peanut allergy the host should be able to say, "don't bring anything with peanuts cause so and so is allergic and might die." Or if there are a lot of vegetarians they should let you know. After all why would you want to bring food no one will eat? But if you ask and they tell you something specific I can't see any harm in accommodating them. . . Within reason.
4. At a pot luck as far as I know no one dish should be expected to feed everyone. Depending on the size of the party one large bowl or baking dish is generally enough.
5. Why not? Not everyone has the time or likes to cook. A bunch of store bakery cookies or brownies is always welcome at my house.
joeqboo at 10:35AM on 06/09/09
I am an old Methodist and after many years of potlucks, I have found that it works better if you do not assign categories. If one of the "main dish" people drops out, you are short. For some mystical reason, it always works out if you just leave it up to the guests. If I am hosting I always put by a big Costco bag of salad, a large can of pork and beans and a roast chicken just for emergency use. I have never had to use them. Control freaks should not do potlucks as it will make you crazy. I never go to one expecting gourmet fare, but sometimes you are pleasantly surprised. I always bring something that I can make a meal of, like a large main dish salad, so if the rest of it is from the supermarket deli, I can eat my own.
ocarol at 10:43AM on 06/09/09
@jaantwg & @bareneed--thanks! Yes, my stepmother and I pretty much have an ongoing, silent war expressed through food...all too common, eh? I have had to chuckle when I have seen all of the other women give pastitio for the party, and all of the lasangas are put out (like 6 for 12 people) and my dish is not. Also, to see one year one woman made 6 Jiffy corn muffins obviously made from the box and that was displayed, even though my stuff 'didn't look right.' I've gone on too much though about how in my stepmother's household, if someone she likes makes it it is Greek (boxed corn muffins) and if I make it, it is "eeh....American...not good.' Although I do like corn muffins, so no dis to her friend.
@bareneed--your experience expressed pretty much what I had always wondered about potlucks--even when I did attend as a child, they were at community centers with communal kitchens, so there was no sight of 10 people all clamoring for oven room!
@ocarol--I love your almost mystical analysis of potlucks: 'if you don't try to control things, and leave it up to the divine potluck forces, things will go well'
HeartofGlass at 10:58AM on 06/09/09
Conversation with stepmother:
"Oh, Ruveen (or Mamma Ruveen or whatever you call her), we need to talk a little. I'm concerned that when I bring something for those lovely dinners you host, you never put it out. I'm thinking that maybe I'm bringing the wrong thing? Could you give me some hints about what you'd rather I contributed?"
As far as how much to bring - a cake or pie is my mental barometer - something that would make at least 6 or 8 average servings if you weren't at a potluck. I usually use a 5-pound bag of potatoes if I'm making potato salad because that's what my favorite carrying dish will hold and because it goes fast, but that's just me. Folks who like to cook will probably bring more, but that shouldn't make other folks feel bad; we're just looking for an excuse to play in our kitchens. About all the advice above is excellent. And I particularly love ocarol's "Control freaks should not do potlucks as it will make you crazy." Brilliant and so true.
lemons at 11:05AM on 06/09/09
1. I think the host(ess) can set out the dishes at different times, but they should all be served. Of course, you're not discussing a potluck. Host(ess) gifts at a dinner party do not need to be set out. They are gifts and the host can do what he likes with them (though he should wait to trash them till the next day!).
2. You pretty much covered it. I usually bring things that fit in a bowl and can be served at room temperature.
3. I think food allergies and beliefs are important to be aware of. Beyond that, I don't think the host should be too specific (i.e. no "Bring coconut cream pie," unless you're really known for it).
4. I generally cook for 8, regardless of the event size. People's serving sizes will generally be inversely proportional to the number of dishes on offer.
5. Absolutely! Even foodies can bring store-bought items!
emgroff at 11:49AM on 06/09/09
And for #5 - the paper goods are necessary/appreciated.
Sorry about the stepmom situation: does she really bin your gifts, or is it possible she hides them away to eat on her own after everyone's gone?
renzata at 11:54AM on 06/09/09
The most important thing the host can do is make sure that the guests know in advance that the party is a potluck. Don't invite everyone and after they accept tell them they have to bring the food. Give your prospective guests the opportunity to decline the invitation if they don't want to participate.
Lippy at 12:26PM on 06/09/09
1. Most potlucks I have been to are work or church related. At these functions, each dish is generally put with the others as everyone arrives. When I have a party at my home and people bring items, regardless of whether it is an actual potluck or if folks just want to contribute to the meal or bring a token to say thanks, I always lay out whatever has been brought. Always. Usually with a flourish, as in, "Wow! Everyone look at the pretty flowers/nice bottle of wine/delicious dessert Aunt Martha brought" If it is a food item and it's great, they get their due. If not, then at least noone thinks I made the offending dish. ;-) No matter how terrific or awful their contribution, it is not in me to be anything less than grateful.
2. I think you hit all the high pints on this one. In my mind, potluck=ready to serve when arriving or soon thereafter with the exception of garnishing or cutting into serving sizes. If it needs to be kept cool or warm that should be addressed by the person bringing the dish.
3. Since it can be life threatening, I think the hostess must tell anyone bringing a dish if she knows of any allergy issues. Beyond that, I'm not sure. I never direct much as to what anyone brings. I decide on a menu and unless I am sure someone is skilled at one of the dishes I have decided on or specifically says they would like to make that one dish, I generally make everything and let everything else that is brought just fit in as it will. Probably a little loosey goosey for some, but it works for me. And it has never been a problem.
4. I don't think there is a limit. If each person or family group brings enough to feed at least themselves, it will all work out. I usually plan to bring one main, one side, one dessert and may add in a bread and/or a drink, especially if there is any doubt as to whether that will be provided. There are usually five of us and I know what we like and will eat. So if nothing else is very good, then at least my dishes will suit my bunch. I usually cook substantially more for my church because I never know how many guests might drop in and I know that everyone at my church really likes my cooking and doesn't hesitate to go back for seconds.
5. Plates/cups/napkins/utensils/drinks/ice/coolers and chairs to use for the event/even activities for the kids are SO made for the culinarily challenged.
coffeefrappe at 12:33PM on 06/09/09
There's a huge difference between a declared potluck and bringing something random to an event where you're invited. In the first case, I think everything should be put out for serving. That's kind of the point of the potluck.
If it's a regular dinner and you bring something, I'd think that it would be more like a hostess gift. The hostess gets to choose whether to serve it or keep it for herself. Some things are more obviously meant as hostess gifts than others, though.
@Heart, your stepmom isn't violating potluck rules, she's violating basic politeness. Even if she hates what you brought, she should either put it out where other people with different tastes might like it, or thank you for it, say she's keeping it for herself, and throw it out privately, after everyone has gone. Tossing it that obviously is just rude.
dbcurrie at 1:37PM on 06/09/09
I just wrote a post about this very thing!
http://www.adinnerparty.net/2009/06/potluck-y.html
I throw a lot of dinner parties, and in my experience, I think potlucks should be fun, casual gatherings. Have everyone bring something home-made (or store-bought if they hate to cook), put it all out on a table, and let everyone serve themselves. I like to coordinate a menu ahead of time to avoid overlap, but other than that, I think it's best not to overthink these types of things.
Lisa23 at 6:17PM on 06/09/09
You just have to let go and let roll with a potluck. Once, at a work enforced winter holiday potluck, I brought a nice mixed green salad with tomatoes, cukes, etc. and a blue cheese salad dressing, and an Italian. LOL the blue cheese dressing went first -- on the Buffalo wings someone else picked up & pitched in from the grocery across the street!
whoot at 10:42PM on 06/09/09
the only time my mother set things aside is if they are a dessert. then they are stored for dessert time and set out then.
blizcheetah at 11:13PM on 06/09/09
1, Is the hostess obliged to display all of the dishes that are bought?
...all of which were 'circularly filed' by my stepmother. Obviously, I was hurt...
That is inexcusable!! What I wouldn't do for an eye-bulge smiley right about here. What your stepmother did was reprehensible and in no way reflects good taste. I need to move on or I'll punch a hole in the wall.
2. Are there any dishes that are not 'okay' to bring--like things that require lots of refrigerator space/reheating?
Last pot luck, BF and I brought my pulled pork. I have a small electric buffet server which we brought. I think the host was grateful we didn't need oven or stovetop space. If you need special serving arrangements, I suggest you bring them. If your dish requires chilling, bring a cooler full of ice and you won't take up half the fridge at the host's home. (He or she might also use the ice.) I would refrain from bringing an ice cream cake unless the host says there will be freezer space. (That's not something to use as a surprise.)
3. Beyond general guidelines like 'bring an appetizer' how controlling can a host/hostess be regarding what people bring (food allergies, dietary restrictions and beliefs and so forth)?
In a case like allergies, religious observances, etc., you simply need to be clear that a dish contains pork or peanuts, etc., to avoid problems. As far as dietary considerations (low fat, low sugar), the host might request fruit salad to work around that. As he or she is collecting data and it becomes clear that a vegetarian entree is necessary, one might be requested. If the contributing guest is inclined to oblige, all the better. If not, that host needs to cook a vegetarian entree or the vegetarian will subsist on side dishes (as they so often do at these things).
4. Is there a certain limit to a number of people who can be asked--for example, some guests might be intimidated about cooking for large crowds.
There is a misconception that each contributing guest needs to make enough of his or her dish to feed the whole party. That's not the case. The host should be clear about quantity when making a request, i.e. "Please make enough to feed 10." The host will calculate total amount of food necessary to feed the entire party and break it down by contributor. Yes, there's always a chance that someone will not get a stuffed chicken breast but as long as there are other meat protein dishes available, there will be no problem. If something is prepared in limited quantity and you're really dying for it, make sure you're first at that platter!
Recently, we were at a pot luck and I brought a batch of Ina Garten's Tiramisu. I was NOT told how many people were coming and some guests didn't get to try it. Next potluck, I made a double batch and those who missed it were first in line...LOL.
5. Is it acceptable for a 'non-cooking' person or non-foodie to bring a store-bought item?
Absolutely. As long as it makes a good impression. Someone brought a gorgeous cake to the last potluck and believe me, no one complained. However, if you slap a half-pound tub of Publix cole slaw on the table and act like you just provided the loaves and the fishes, this would be a no-no.
There are always people who don't cook who would love to socialize at a pot luck. There is nothing wrong with asking these non-cooks to bring nice plastic plates, cups or cutlery; or to pass Costco and grab 3 packages of their bread or a prepared fruit tray; or to grab a bouquet of flowers. The important thing is that they contributed and are made to feel as though their contribution is just as important as anyone who spent time at the stove. (Chances are I'll be asking those very same non-cooks to help me decorate my house or landscape my yard, something at which they might excel!)
I still want to smack your stepmother.
therealchiffonade at 8:54AM on 06/10/09
1 thing I learned from a recent pot luck -
Have everyone provide multiple copies of the recipe to be displayed with each dish - this avoids wondering whats in the mystery casserole for those with allergies or on specific diets (for me that means knowing that the recipe you claim is "vegetarian" actually contains chicken stock). It's also a great way of sharing the recipes with anyone who wants to remember it for next time.
nalega at 9:30AM on 06/11/09
The only time I don't put out something that a guest brings to a potluck is if it is a 100% match for something we already have. Example being someone brings a jar of a specific brand of salsa and a second person brings another jar of the exact same salsa. This happens more often when we have themed potlucks, particularly taco/fiesta parties. We often end up with two or three identical jars of salsa and more than a handful of chip varieties. We put out one bag of each style of chip or salsa and then open the next as the first is consumed.
EtherMaiden at 11:30AM on 06/11/09
I've never done a potluck (although at all our family gatherings we always all bring something!), but I agree with EtherMaiden. Unless something is a duplicate, we set out everything and graze. One thing I always do at parties, though, is get place card holders, and use business card perforated stock to print out descriptions of the food. I keep a cheap set of holders for Christmas, hearts for bridal showers, etc...luckily my and husband's families are alike in our food tastes, so everything gets split up and taken home!
As for store bought items, I see no problem in that. My mother in law is not a cooker - with the exception to a couple of family recipes - and always brings dips, salads, etc. that are pre-made. If it's close family we serve it out of the container, if it's a mixed crowd we just plate it on crystal!
dharmon at 12:39PM on 06/11/09
I had a potluck wedding reception! When I suggested it, my mother was horrified. We included a recipe card in the invitation, and then I had a well-stocked recipe box to start my marriage off with!! We didn't assign what people could bring and we included something in the instructions to the effect that not bringing something was fine too. We ended up with tables brimming with old family recipes, simple dinners, and divine desserts. It was a cheap, but wonderful way to celebrate, and I have turned to that recipe box time and again!
LaViolett at 2:35PM on 06/11/09
We have a pot-luck Christmas dinner for family. Mainly, I encourage people to bring nibbles or booze. My in-laws run a courier company, and deliver a lot of fish, so every year we get a whole side of smoked salmon. I always cook far too much, and send people home with tubs of leftovers. I'd never not put out something someone has brought.
I think the key to pot-lucks is to keep them simple. Casseroles and salads, roasts and sandwiches. And lots of snacky things.
NotAmerican at 4:11AM on 06/12/09
There are a number of vile ways for some people to gain power over others. Using food is one of them. Dear HeartofGlass, I am so annoyed yet not entirely surprised by your foul SM's exclusion of your offering at her little potluck. I think you should never bring her anything again and not feel bad about it.
It's inexcusable not to offer what is brought to a potluck. Otherwise don't have one.
All this reinforces what I feel about potlucks: they are tedious, both in a social and culinary sense. If you insist on bringing people together at your home, have the fortitude to be gracious and generous... or don't do it.
Pointy at 1:37PM on 06/12/09
Is the hostess obliged to display all of the dishes that are bought?
Niagra Falls, slowly I turned, step by step, inch by inch... IMHO, this is the pinnacle of rudeness. Potluck dishes are bought to share with all the guests.
Among my in-laws are a particularly cheap, stingy and selfish couple that will either not put out all the pot luck dishes because they want to stash the best ones for themselves, or if forced to, they will cut a small portion, maybe for 2-3, and serve them to a crowd of 10. They put the dishes others have generously brought into the freezer, so if you say "where's whatever," it will already be cold or partially frozen by the time the meal is served.
They also came over to my house one New Year's Eve one year with a box of cake that looked like it was pulled from the freezer - it had "Happy Thanksgiving" and fondant turkeys on it. Someone brought it to their house for Thanksgiving, and they weren't even embarrassed - they said "my cousin bought this at a good bakery."
They also recently they walked out from a very elderly aunt's house with a big tray of brownies I baked especially for the aunt's caregiver - I had her name on the bag in addition to telling the sister-in-law who I who I made them for.
Are there any dishes that are not 'okay' to bring--like things that require lots of refrigerator space/reheating & Beyond general guidelines like 'bring an appetizer' how controlling can a host/hostess be regarding what people bring?
Reheating shouldn't be a big problem; it's usually expected. Maybe because I have food allergies and I also have vegetarian, vegan, kosher, halal friends and relatives, I ask in advance if there are any dietary considerations. I want everyone to enjoy what I bring to a potluck, and everyone to enjoy the meal - just as I do in my home. Potluck is about sharing and everyone having a good time.
Is there a certain limit to a number of people who can be asked--for example, some guests might be intimidated about cooking for large crowds & is it acceptable for a 'non-cooking' person or non-foodie to bring a store-bought item?
Good food and a good time is what's most appreciated, and bringing store bought items are fine (as long as it's not something like a can of Campbell's Soup).
MMinNYC at 7:11PM on 06/12/09
@MMinNYC--oh my gosh--TAKING food for yourself bought for others at a potluck or otherwise--that is the worst Food Sin #1! I don't know how anyone could eat food gotten in such an underhanded way!
HeartofGlass at 8:35PM on 06/12/09
@laViolett, the idea of including the recipe cards was excellent! I am still building my collection of tried and trues...
blizcheetah at 9:09PM on 06/14/09
OK, my potluck picnic (mentioned in the "Are All Parties Potlucks Now" thread) was yesterday. We had a great time, I think everyone had enough to eat, etc. I had not asked anyone to bring anything specific, just to bring something to share.
Only I think three people actually made something to bring. Fruit salad, spicy cream cheese wrap spirals, and guacamole, all of which were delicious. Some of the purchased items were clearly planned - one person brought bread, old cheddar and grapes, for example. Others simply picked up something that would be easy to eat outside - chips, whole fruit, pastries, drinks.
My husband and I had picked up some sandwich makings, salsa, spinach dip, chips, and I made a chocolate wacky cake, which is vegan, since we have some vegan friends and one who is allergic to dairy (truly allergic as opposed to our lactose intolerant friend who can usually tolerate a cake made with a little dairy). I had made an effort not to have total control over the food but I didn't want anyone to be hungry either.
Not judging anything here (except the deliciousness of the things people made! yum), just saying that everyone is different, has a different idea of what is delicious or what is picnic food, has a different budget, has a different thing they are craving that day. Everything was at least partially eaten (we could not have finished everything!). I don't think anyone felt excluded or like they put in too much work compared to anyone else.
As long as everyone had fun and no one left hungry, I'm pleased.
wellred at 10:24AM on 06/15/09