How should burgers be cooked?
I got into a little debate last Friday with my friend about burgers that got me thinking. He wasn’t a big fan of Ray’s Hell Burger cooked medium-rare with the au poivre preparation. He went on to explain that he was a “burger purist,” so he’d try Ray’s again without the mish mash - Just a “real burger,” he said “cooked medium well.” “Burgers aren’t supposed to be bloody.”
So I thought about my experience at Ray’s. I hadn’t eaten a medium rare or au poivre burger before then. Usually at bars or other burger institutions if prompted I ask for the burger to be cooked medium. It wasn’t until what I consider my “burger epiphany” at Ray’s Hell Burger that I discovered and appreciated the juicy and bloody goodness of the medum rare prep. After many blissful experiences, I crowned Ray’s as supreme in my books.
I made the trip to Ray’s last Saturday to introduce my dad to the ultimate burger. The convo with my friend made me order our burgers plain instead of au poivre to try the burger in its purest form. Unfortunately like my friend, my dad also didn’t get my love of the juicy medium rare patty as he picked it up, bit into it and the juices just made the patty and bun fall apart.
It made me think about how I loved the burger BUT didn’t like how the bread didn’t hold up so well to the juices of the patty. I had always pointed at the bread as the culprit.
As I watched my dad struggle with the burger it got me thinking – maybe it was the medium rare meat that was the culprit of the almost perfect burger experience! The unpleasant soggy effect does indeed hinder the whole experience.
Don't get me wrong Ray's Hell Burger is still the best burger I've ever had in spite of the bun. But maybe “Ray’s Hell” was wrong. Maybe their medium rare recommendation is just hindering their burger from perfection.
What are your thoughts? How do you like your burgers?
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31 Comments:
Medium rare is the way. Don't let anyone tell you differently!
producestories at 10:15PM on 06/29/09
My preference is rare. In fact, medium rare is the most done I will accept or it goes back to the kitchen. Bun sogginess is not generally an issue at the couple places we go to.
Amandarama at 10:53PM on 06/29/09
I like medium rare. But I think it's a personal preference. My mom will only eat it if it's cooked to hockey puck consistency.
gingercookiewithlime at 12:19AM on 06/30/09
When I was a kid, it was rare all the way, but now I'm probably more likely to go for medium rare. Most places around here won't good burgers any less than just a little pink tinge. So if I want them any less cooked, I'm making them myself.
dbcurrie at 12:58AM on 06/30/09
I've said this before, but there is no universal standard for rareness. One man's medium is another man's rare. It's best to describe how grey, pink or red you want something done. It also depends on how it's cooked...is it griddled over high heat? Is it grilled but finished in a broiler? Is it a hockey puck or a thin, large patty? All these things matter.
I want my burger still pink and juicy, but hot in the middle.
NotAmerican at 3:20AM on 06/30/09
I like medium rare, from fresh ground, as I wrote about on my blog,
Tasty Travails...
http://tiny.cc/taegW
weinoo at 7:46AM on 06/30/09
This is why people get E. coli poisoning. unless you buy irradiated beef it is essential to cook the ground meat to 160 degrees F. Just past pink. Ground meat is derived from heavily handled parts, trimmings that aren't be sold, unused chuck and light colored muscles in beef, it always has higher bacteria loads than whole muscle primal cuts. Most states regulate cooking temperature of burgers so that massive E coli outbreaks don't occur. That is also why many states won't allow the sale of over easy eggs in restaurants, fear of under cooking and salmonella.
I'll concede I miss having a rare burger, but let common sense prevail A good burger isn't a good enough reason to get yourself sick. And even if Ray's grinds their own trimmings, it is no guarantee the product will be clean, most food poisonings come from cross contamination or poor hygiene in the kitchens.
Meat guy at 8:22AM on 06/30/09
this is why I rarely (no pun intended) go out for a burger, I make my own, from meat i grind myself, Rare all the way. I know the meat is safe from most handling contamination and what chance there is I'll take it for a good bloody burger. Most of the resteraunts in this area will only cook ground meat to medium no less. I understand their reasoning, but its still pretty depressing for someone who like to hear a little moo when she bites into a burger. ;-)
huneybumper at 8:45AM on 06/30/09
I can totally see the danger in the medium rare burger! Ray's in DC is one of the few places that do this, and I think they stand behind the cleanliness of their burger and the quality of the meat that they use -fresh aged prime beef ground throughout the day. So far my experiences have been good and I haven't heard any horror stories.
Just to appease my own curiosity - next time I'm going to buy two burgers - one cooked medium rare and one medium, and see how I feel about both. I'll report back on forksanddorks.com.
forksanddorks at 9:35AM on 06/30/09
I would say no less than a high medium rare (eat a steak if you want raw meat), no more than medium (just become a vegetarian if you don't like to taste your meat).
I find that the less cooked burgers don't quite have the right texture and warmth inside and often have too much grease and liquid. Cooked more and you don't have any grease or taste at all.
joeqboo at 9:52AM on 06/30/09
My favorite burger place does medium rare unless you ask for something different. However, that med-rare can vary a bit, so I think overall my choice would be medium, given the rarer of the med-rares where it's not fully hot in the middle isn't exactly my thing.
joyyy at 10:36AM on 06/30/09
I haven't actually ordered a burger out in decades, because I have come across *far* too many of them that are totally uncooked, or bloody, et cetera. And I know that I will get ketchup bottles thrown at me for saying this, but I absolutely *love* charcoal-style hamburgers - you know, the ones that could easiy substitute for hockey pucks. Something about that char flavor and carcinogen that I love. :) Hey, i don't smoke, so I have to get my carcinogens somehow, right?
Traveller at 10:38AM on 06/30/09
@ Traveller
:D I'm the same way. I respect people's rights to eat medium rare or rare hamburgers, but if I ever got one I think I would faint. For me a burger has to be cooked all the way through *Pause for communal shudder* And even steaks have to be around medium to medium well. I was always taught that pink meat equals death and even though I know better, I guess the propaganda stuck :(
Beanalicious1 at 10:50AM on 06/30/09
Straight-forward rule-of-thumb for me:
Reliable and Safe Source? - like a local butcher or EVEN BETTER a local beef farmer...direct source of course:
I say Medium - Med-rare
No sure of Source?
Get'er done well with lots of "moisturizing" condiments (ie - mayo!)
hungrychristel at 10:50AM on 06/30/09
@Beanalicious1: So true. I think that that is part of it for me (my mother is a paranoid nurse), but still..the taste of that char is really the best part for me.
Although, I have to admit that even though I usually take my steaks medium, or possibly medium rare on an odd occasion, I would love to try steak tartare just once for the experience.
Traveller at 11:33AM on 06/30/09
@Traveller -
I would like to add to your Steak Tartare investigation:
you should ALSO try a pork-tartare if you get a chance to find it!
Maybe at a local german butcher???
It's one of my FAVOURITE things on pumpernickel with grey salt and fresh cracked pepper...deeeevine!
hungrychristel at 11:42AM on 06/30/09
i love my steak bloody, but with burgers i tend to get closer to medium.
never heard of pork tartare before-intriguing (and yet kind of a frightening proposition!) definiately recommend steak tartare-that i can vouch for!
gastronomeg at 12:42PM on 06/30/09
Similar to what's been said above, I like my steaks raw or rare (cold in the center), but my burgers medium -- slightly pink on the inside.
I once had a burger that was seared on the outside and cold in the center at a regional chain restaurant similar to TGI Friday's but tack on ~$5-7/plate. I ordered their burger a couple of times previously w/o this rare of a burger.
I couldn't return it because I was with my father. He HATES people who make a fuss so I painfully ate the dark red, cold, mushy raw meat.
Since that experience, I will never purposefully order a rare burger.
I typically don't have a problem with the bun disintegrating because halfway through my burger, I usually toss the buns and eat the filling only. I may eat the buns if they taste good and/or fresh-baked.
Cassaendra at 12:55PM on 06/30/09
Meat guy does have a point, however who says you can't bring home your own cuts and grind them yourself. Let's face it, you have better odds of getting hit by a bus then you do of getting e-coli. I like mine rare in the middle and charred on the outside.
Pavlov at 1:05PM on 06/30/09
It may be the "gourmet" way to go, but no thank you on the raw hamburger meat! If it's even a little pink I send it back. I've had food poisoning from under cooked hamburger meat and I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy!
caramel at 6:12PM on 06/30/09
For safety sake, medium. No burger is worth a case of food poisoning.
dmcavanagh at 6:42PM on 06/30/09
Oh wow - the "how should a burger really be cooked" debate. That's like asking who's kid is cuter - mine or yours. I think it all comes down to preference and what goes on the burger. The bun observation is spot on, though. It can really ruin a good burger, no matter how cooked or what's on top of the paddie. Personally, how I have it cooked all depends on where I'm eating. Some places cook a mean well-done burger while others get the medium-rare to a perfection. Now, if you asked how a steak should be cooked, I'd argue medium-rare no matter where you go.
giz13 at 7:19PM on 06/30/09
Your odds of becoming ill have much less to do with how your burger is cooked than the source of the meat. Do yourself a favor - go to a restaurant that cares enough about sourcing and preparation, or cook at home with beef that is raised in a healthier environment. An ounce of prevention will save you a pound of anxiety. Few people get sick from steak tartare or carne cruda. Alot of people get sick from Sysco burgers.
twitchology at 2:23AM on 07/01/09
Don't blame Sysco. Did you ever think that more people get sick from Commercial burgers because it is publicized and you hear about it? How may of these illnesses are because of cross contamination and poorly trained kitchen help. I know several people who went to very reputable restaurants and were extremely ill from Carpaccio, and steak tartare, no one knew because they didn't pursue the problem with the board of health. They got a staph intoxication poisoning so the symptoms cleared in a day.
The real issue with E coli and Listeria is the fact that meat plants are too clean. Thirty years ago, fresh meat spoiled in a week. This was due to the fact that the sanitation standards were lower than then now. Current meat plants are like clean rooms in a hospital, you can't get in in street clothes, your shoes go through sanitizing baths before you can enter, and work surfaces are sanitized with antibacterial solutions. there is very little harmless spoilage bacteria available, so the meat is vacuum packaged, heavily chilled and gets a minimum 28 days shelf life. The downside is there is no competition should you have a single cell of E coli or listeria bacteria, the meat that would have been harmless to eat, can become dangerous, regardless of whether it comes from a big processor or small. That is why USDA standards require preventative treatments and lot testing to enable recalls if needed.
Where and how it is raised is irrelevant, it goes to a processor for slaughter and that is the make or break part. There is one step that makes the real difference, when the bung is cut and sealed, if this is done poorly or improperly, then you have the fecal material splashed onto the carcass, this mistake can happen in any plant, regardless of size and line speed.
Most of the recalls on beef are preventative, there may be a problem very few result in public health problems. the huge ones where 30 million pounds were recalled stemmed from one lot needing to be recalled, and then the government requiring the following products made in the plant to be recalled because the plants couldn't confirm, that meat from the recalled lot wasn't reworked into following lots of ground meat or patties.
Meat guy at 8:58AM on 07/01/09
@twitchology - my sentiments exactly.
all meat is not created equally. it's always the sysco burgers that are getting recalled. another classic example of manipulating the system until it breaks. i like to call it overkill.
pooch at 9:01AM on 07/01/09
As a kid, my dad and I ate first at BBQ's because we loved our burgers bloody rare. But you could DO THAT at the time (sigh).
At present, I don't cook a burger past medium. Cooked through but still juicy. Make burgers large and flat for even cooking but they won't shrink into nothing. At least 8 oz. of beef.
Turkey burgers - a smidge past medium. Cooked through but still juicy - can't cook something to death if my life depended on it.
The sad truth is that unless you're grinding your own meat, it's not advisable to cook a burger rare or medium rare. Insert an instant read thermometer in the side of the burger till you reach the center of the patty and when it reads 160, it's done.
therealchiffonade at 9:50AM on 07/01/09
I stick with medium to medium well. Ground beef is more dangerous to eat because it's ground. There may be E. Coli on the outside of the steak, but it is grilled, it's killed. E. Coli gets mixed throughout with ground beef and it makes it more difficult to kill. Many people are aware of this, but some don't get it. I think all the comments about trusting your source (local butcher) are invalid. Your local butcher can't tell you their beef is bug free, even when they are using quality cuts (unless it's irradiated, which does scare me a bit).
I've had burgers cooked rare, but I prefer medium or medium well burgers. In my case it has more to do with the grilled taste and texture. I don't care for the mushy texture of uncooked ground beef. Besides, mama always said "Don't eat raw hamburger".
tjmile1 at 12:43PM on 07/01/09
Unless you know your food source, safety calls for medium to medium well.
And I love medium rare....... *sad sniffles*
CJ McD at 1:00PM on 07/02/09
For me it's all about the texture of rare ground beef. There''s something not right about it.
RegrettableFoodie at 4:45PM on 07/03/09
I prefer my Hamburger med to Med well but my steak rare to med rare, the mushyness of the burger is distasteful, where as the butteryness of the steak is delightful.
dragonfiregrill at 2:57AM on 07/07/09
This blog came up on a search I did on google. It isn't what I was looking for but I became interested when I started reading. Anyway, I have a suggestion for you. If you like the way the burger tastes when it is medium-rare, then you should have the burger cooked that way. The problem is with the bun getting soggy so how can we have the burger medium-rare but prevent the burger from getting soggy? Simple, just put a burger topping between the burger bottom and the bun bottom. The best is mayo b/c the mayo repels the burger juice. If you don't do mayo, then you could put lettuce, tomato, or an onion slice between the burger bottom and bun bottom.
Now you can enjoy a medium rare burger without the soggy mess.
Enjoy!
25Rksyz at 11:58AM on 08/13/09