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Organic Foods.

I find that many foods grown using organic methods taste better, especially vegetables and eggs. Having done more than a little thinking on the subject, I think I have figured out why, but I want to hear what Serious Eaters think of the taste of the so-called "organic" foods.

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Growing up I ate a lot of crappy processed food or mutant vegetables; tomatoes that were massive and sold in December, that kind of thing. I didn't think I liked vegetables, until I moved out of my parents house when I was in college and had to learn to cook and shop and budget. Going to a farmer's market for the first time blew my mind. It was like, "Oh my god, vegetables are seasonal and have TASTE." There's just something wonderful about eating a fruit or vegetable in its natural state and its peak of ripeness.

The taste is just fresh, it's clean. When eating organic foods it tastes as if you're eating food the way it's "supposed" to be eaten, imperfections and all. Does that make sense?

I'm happy that organic food has come a long way. Twenty years ago, the organic produce section was discernable by two features: The inflated price and the fact that the produce looked like it had been ravaged by bugs. "Sooooo they want me to pay extra for lettuce with holes in it?? Nahhh." If it still looked that bad, I'd never buy it.

There are a few foods like strawberries that if I can't get organically grown, I pass. Raspberries are another.

My preferred method of eating vegetables is very simple. I love my vegetables (and seafood) steamed with absolutely nothing added. I don't taste a discernible difference between organic and non-organic that has been shipped from somewhere and sits in a grocery store.

Now vegetables that are grown locally and picked when they are almost ripe is a different story. The sweetness and depth in flavor is incredible.

I remember the first time I ever had organic vegetables. My ex boyfriend gave me two carrots to try. They were both ok, but one was sweet and the other had a metallic taste in comparison. I've only purchased and eaten organic ones since.

Peculiar as this might sound, when I buy and use organic produce I'm more inclined to "treat" it better. Thus, I find myself not adding a lot of secondary or non-organic ingredients to a particular dish, so that I may actually taste the difference.

When I was visiting OH relatives on a farm in Holland, their huge vegetable garden was literally outside the kitchen door. We had baby potatoes that were put in a pail of water and lightly punched with a wooden shoe to knock the skins off! They emerged like perfect little white marbles. The peas, carrots, kale and cabbage were amazing - the taste totally different from supermarket vegetables. There was no comparison.

I find no difference in grain products and snacks, other than the fact that organic products don't have artificial flavors that are sometimes overwhelming. For me, it's the opposite effect with eggs, meat and dairy: there is actually flavor. Of course that doesn't apply across the board. Plain ground beef tastes the same to me, but an organic, well aged ribeye?! No contest. Even my organics hating husband will attest to being shocked by the flavor difference in certain fruits.

Wasn't there an article about the different levels of vitamins and minerals in organically grown fruits? And the lab mice consistently chose the organic ones? Somehow the mice could detect the higher nutrient load. Does anyone else remember this?

I think there's a bigger difference between local/fresh picked vs. shipped and stored rather than the organic/nonorganic.

I buy most of my farmer's market produce from a farm that isn't certified organic, but uses organic methods. So they're not technically organic and couldn't carry the label, but in practice it's the same stuff. Are those veggies organic or not?

There are other farms that are completely organic, but package their products both ways to cover both markets at grocery stores. It's all organic, except for the labeling.

In the end, I'd rather have an ear of corn that was picked this morning down the road than one that was grown organically a thousand miles away and picked a week ago.

I totally agree with dbcurrie! I choose local over organic when given a choice.

I also agree with dbcurrie. I think the difference is more a matter of freshness and for those of us who get our organic stuff at farmer's markets it is also fresher so that is probably responsible for a lot of the difference.

Also stuff that isn't destined to be shipped across the country doesn't have to have the same characteristics. So a farmer can select a breed of tomato to grow based more on flavor then shipability. They can also give unusual and heirloom varieties a try.

All that being said...there are certainly other reasons to chose organic: mainly the effects of pesticides on ourselves and the environment.

@dbcurrie: I think technically, the farm you buy produce from is organic. I was reading the other day that sometimes farms don't get the certification because it's expensive or it's a lengthy process. I guess there's a few different reasons why they don't get the certification, but it still makes them organic.

I don't notice a difference between organic and conventional. I'll buy some stuff organic to avoid pesticides, but it tastes the same. However, I do notice a difference in taste with some of the local farmers' food, but I think that's more because it's just picked and fresh from the market rather than sitting in a refrigerated truck for a while moreso than because it's organic.

@Pumpkin, I agree that they're organic. They decided a while back that the local market had enough competition for organic produce, so it wasn't worth their time and money to go through the certification process, which I think they said was seven years. And really expensive and intrusive as far as testing and inspections. And, since they grow crops other than what they sell at the markets and farmstands, they want the option to use nonorganic means if something is threatening to wipe out a whole crop of something. They haven't done it yet, but they didn't want to find themselves in year 6 of the process and need to spray for something on a distant field and then have to start the organic certification all over again. I can't say that I blame them.

What's also interesting is that if they sprayed those distant fields, it would be farther from their veggie crops than if a neighboring farmer decided to spray part of his property. The neighbor spraying wouldn't affect their certification because it's not their property, but it would probably have more effect on the veggies than if they sprayed their own distant fields. The neighbor happens to also be an organic farm, so it's not likely to happen, but it's an example of how the organic certification is a bit more complicated and muddied than a lot of people realize.

I was at the farm where I'm buying my raw milk from, and it's an organic farm. One of the new goats had a growth on its face and someone asked what was being done about it. At the moment, nothing is being done because the farm is organic, and they don't use antibiotics on any of the animals. If the growth gets worse, the goat will require surgery. Interesting, eh? If it was a pet dog or cat or one of someone's children, people wouldn't hesitate to use medicine to solve the problem instead of waiting until the thing got out of hand and then going for surgery. But because this farm is organic, they can't give the goat any antibiotics, even though they aren't selling any goat milk at the moment.

local and organic all the way .... as much as possible. ever compare an organic banana with a regular banana? it costs more, thats for sure, but i figure less is more sometimes. and if we support the local organic movement, perhaps prices will eventually come down. even walmart
has lots of organic milk now. i think it's catching on mainstream.
i know it's tough for families these days.... it's a hard choice. we all have to shop our pocketbooks.....

dbcurrie, that's insane! I've never considered the fact that they wouldn't be able to give a sickly animal antibiotics.

Of course this isn't a fair comparison, but for some reason that story reminded me of this religious group I learned about in a philosophy class ages ago. They are vegans who love and respect animals so much, that they don't put them out of their misery when they are suffering. They have these huge sanctuaries for injured animals. They feed the animals, bathe them, give them water, but they do nothing to alleviate their pain. Some of the animals were in horrendous shape. A horse had a broken leg, a rabbit had a huge cut. It was kind of uncomfortable to realize that these animal lovers weren't being humane by letting the animals suffer. This is totally off topic and weird, but that's what it reminded me of for some bizarre reason.

Clearly what matters most in fruits and vegetables are ripeness and freshness. With tomatoes, for instance, the plant puts fifty percent or more of the flavor into its fruit during the last 48 hours of ripening. But, when you let a fruit become that ripe on the plant, you had best get it onto the table quick. Herein lies the great advantage of raising your own tomatoes.

This same principle applies to one degree or another to all vegetables, but there is something else that I have noticed. You can rear your vegetables too quickly. Fast growth equals less flavor, this is particularly noticeable with herbs like basil. On the other side of the coin, underfeeding the plant during its early stages of growth can cause intolerably poor yields and low flavor.

The trick is is in tailoring your fertilizing program. Organic farmers simplify the problem by more or less "following the plant." Their fertilizers release nutrients slowly and the plants seldom undergo sudden spurts in growth at the wrong time.

This does not mean that good vegetables cannot be reared using chemical fertilizers. Chemically, plant food is plant food and you don't necessarily need "good soil" to raise good vegetables. You do, however, have to pay close attention to your plants and feed the right amount of stuff at the right time.

I think the same applies to many food products derived from animals. The type and quality of the feed can have a dramatic impact on flavor. This is especially noticeable with eggs because the difference in the quality of eggs is huge. Chickens will, given the opportunity, eat a great deal of grass and other tender plant material over the course of the day and I am convinced that such food improves their eggs by a huge margin. When the chickens are fed nothing but poorly formulated feed that is laced with medications you get wimpy, colorless and tasteless eggs, or worse, eggs taste like a vitamin pill.

The organic eggs I've been getting are big and beautiful and tasteful.

Buying vegetation that is both local and organic makes certain that it will taste superb.

The most clear cut difference is in the organic grass fed beef I buy from a local rancher - the taste is so far above 'meat' from the Safeway it's not even a comparison.

Typically with non-organic produce, commercial fetillizers are used which cause the plant to absorb more water and thus diluting the natural sugars and flavor components found in the produce. Organic produce however doesnt use such fertillizers and therefore has a more concentrated flavor. The downside to this is the organic produce is not as "bulletproof" as the commercially grown, and has a shorter shelf life.
Buy Local first, local and organic if possible.

I agree with Pavlov that I try to go local first then organic if possible. It's been a struggle as I wait for my CSA to start. But, I'm really excited that in a few weeks, I can go local and organic each week with at least a good portion of what I'm eating. Even if some stuff doesn't taste wildly different, I feel better about my choices, which makes it psychologically taste better... Hope that makes sense.

I have grown and bought organic fruits and veggies for years, but only started buying organic eggs a couple of years ago. What sold me on it was when I borrowed a couple from a neighbor after starting to cook and discovering that Mr. Runr had eaten the last two for breakfast. The first thing I noticed was that the shells of organic eggs are much thicker than the conventional ones I was buying. It's like your hair and fingernails - if you aren't healthy or something is off in your diet, it will show in the hair and nails. They taste better too. Healthy chickens = good tasty eggs.

Grass fed beef has a better taste to me as well. More hearty and beefy. I've done blind tastings with it on friends too. They always pick the grass fed beef as better tasting, so it's not just me and my hippie ways.

Organic foods probably taste better because there are no chemicals to kill the nutrients as well as the flavor. Do you find this to be the case with all organic produce?

Not everything needs to be bought organically. Oranges, grapefruits or other citrus with thick skins are more immune to pesticides and therefore you can save money there and buy the conventional stuff.

Hillary
Chew on That

Tbiggest difference, and the thing that got me on the organic "thing" is dairy. I have always considered myself "slightly" lactose intolerant. I can eat cheese, yogurt, ice cream, etc without a problem - but - if I'm drinking a glass of milk, there had better be a good amount of solid food accompanying it or watch out! serious GI distress.
That all changed when I switched to organic milk. I can drink a glass of milk by itself, or eat a bowl of cereal with milk, and be perfectly fine. I could never do that before... so it appears that it's not really lactose intolerance, it's intolerance to something that they are feeding the (non-o) cows!
I also swear there is a taste difference... maybe b/c now I'm not thinking "oh, this is gonna kill me later" but organic milk seriously tastes creamier and more "milk-y" to me.

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