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Eaters and eating disorders

If this applies to you, it may be a sensitive topic. If it is, feel free to ignore it or not share.

I was wondering if any of you eaters out there have ever dealt with eating disorders (anorexia, bulimia, binge eating, or otherwise). I'll tell my story to start us off:

During my first year of high school, I got really really stressed out by the competitive environment. This made me really high strung just about all the time. Somehow, this led to me not having an appetite and eating very little during school hours. In itself, this was not a major problem. I ate well at home or outside, just not when I had classes. However, when my friends realized this, they all got VERY concerned and started watching me closely. It made me really really self conscious about food in general, as if people would scrutinize my every bite. It hindered me socially. During that first year, I lost 30 pounds without even trying. Even then, it made me even more self conscious about my weight.
As my anxiety eased, I started eating more normally. But, it became about making my meals "worth it". And this in turn, morphed into a love of genuinely good food. And it sparked my interest in cooking because it was cheaper and healthier and fit my portion goals better!
It's been a long time in coming, but I am glad to be so much more thoughtful about my food now.

46 Comments:

I think that you made a situation that started off bad into something that you have developed a passion for.

Thank you for sharing your story.

Thanks for writing this. I'm happy to see that there are people out there with similar situations in life. For me, it was my freshman year of college that I lost 15 pounds by eating nothing but a salad and frozen yogurt each day. Ten years later, I have slowly morphed in a very food involved person but in a positive, loving way. I'm much happier now!

This is an excellent thread! This isn't an eating disorder perse, but growing up I thought I hated food but now I have a much larger appreciation for it. I used to eat just because I needed to and now I can't imagine thinking that way. Thank you for sharing your story!

Hillary
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Eating always seemed like a hassle to me. I always seemed to have better things to do. But as I matured and to be honest back when the food network was interesting 10 years ago, I realized how important food was. I still have food issues but I am able to go out and eat with friends without heading to the bathroom to lose my lunch as they say. Thanks for your story. Excellent thread.

I've seen too many of my friends struggle with food and have spent too much time worrying about it myself. I used to think maybe an "ignorance is bliss" attitude would be the solution to stop counting calories and obsessing, but I've found that the more I know about how our bodies process food and what nutrition really means, the better relationship I have with food in general. In fact, this whole topic is why I'm changing career paths and going back to school to become a registered Dietitian!

i have briefly struggled with not eating at times... in hopes of "oh i just want to lose a few pounds..." i still battle with it occasionally. it started in high school and now that i am in college everytime i get stressed i go back to that feeling of hating everything and not wantint to eat... my love of delicious, often fattening, foods does not help but i do try to to everything in moderation. food blogs are often what gets me thru. i read at least 15 food blogs, maybe more, and altho that sounds a bit crazy, its what i do for me... the pictures and recipes inspire me to be the best cook/person i can be an i realize i can do this and be healthy about it. SE has gotten me thru more than a few rough patches! Thanks Guys! (sorry for writing so much :) )

I've been both an overeater and an undereater. Time was, a day's consumption would be half of a frozen bagel and half a can of soup (progresso Italian tomato). Lots of Pepsi and cigarettes, too. A few years later, there were often midnight trips to Taco Bell for a half dozen tacos. I've managed to even things out since then, but it took some time!

In high school my coach pulled me aside and asked about my eating. I was very thin but I ate like a horse so I didn't appreciate the "intervention." In college, my friends told a resident advisor that I wasn't eating. They didn't realize it was because I didn't have money to buy groceries and my work/class schedule made me miss the cafeteria's mealtime. The RA was able to hook me up with the cafeteria's to go program that was not at all advertised because they wanted us to eat in the caf. That "intervention" was much appreciated since I'd already paid for the meal plan.

In my mid-twenties, I was anorexic. I was only eating one meal a day while I worked in a restaurant and I usually ordered a kids meal. For me the problem was not because of food itself. I didn't have any weight loss goals. It was just the one thing that I knew I could control in my otherwise uncontrolled life. Odd thing is that I was in school to be a social worker at the time and I was interning in a high school so I should've known better. I hated school, I hated my apartment and roommates, I hated my boyfriend. I was depressed and it was the social worker who was supervising my internship that finally sat me down to talk about it. Once I quit school and my internship (two months before graduation - big mistake), moved, and broke up with my boyfriend, I started eating normally and got better. I haven't had a problem with undereating since then except in highly stressful situations but those don't last long. I keep a picture of myself with the awful gray skin and the bones sticking out in places they shouldn't to remind me not to let life's challenges affect my health.

The only food issue I have left is actually an overeating issue. We were raised to clean our plates and if they weren't clean we had to sit in the dark kitchen until bedtime. ("You have family in Viet Nam starving. You will not waste this food" was my mom's mantra.) The guilt worked and I am fanatic about finishing all my food now. It isn't a problem when I serve myself because I serve small portions and have seconds instead of serving a large portion that I will feel compelled to eat. But in restaurants with gargantuan portions, it is a problem. I try to be very conscious of asking that my food be boxed up the moment I feel I am done. I usually eat out with my sister who knows that if my plate is in front of me I will finish it, so she's good about moving it away from me if the server doesn't bring a box when I ask for it.

Interestingly my sister ended up on the opposite end of the food waste issue: she has never made her kids eat anything and if she doesn't like something, she will order a new meal. She also refuses to eat leftovers and rarely takes food home from a restaurant. Where I don't feel I can waste a bit of food, she feels that she's already paid for the food and can do with it as she pleases - even if that is throwing it away.

What has drawn me to SE and cooking is that I have realized that if I know I'm going to make myself eat whatever is in front of me, I want that food to be good. It took a long time to get to that point but I'm working on it. I'm working on my Masters in Psychology right now and hope to be able to combine it and my interest in food into a career. @rdrnr44: I've thought about doing an RD program too - I'll decide when I'm done with my current program.

I spent several years as the secret binger and purger. I'm recovered now, but stress sometimes will still arise the desire to do it again. I'm currently in school for my masters in Nutritional Sciences with the ultimate goal of RD. Who says bad things never lead to good? :P

I have dealth with an EDNOS for about 12 years now. I have learned to choose my food wisely as food i can "keep" and food i wont. I am a huge "foodie" (i hate that term) and love to cook, eat, shop for it, serve others, read about it, etc, but its a love hate relationship thats for sure. At my worst I wieghed 96 pounds and now i have been a steady 125 for 7 years now.

If I am super stressed, it will rear its ugly head though.

"[T]hey all got VERY concerned and started watching me closely. It made me really really self conscious about food in general, as if people would scrutinize my every bite. It hindered me socially."

This sounds like me, now... I have a weird (and very limited) diet due to a host of allergies, but everytime someone sees me eat they ask me what it is, how I made it... etc etc... and by the time they leave me alone it's friggin cold. I eat alone mostly now, just to get decent food.

Eating disorders run in my family, and I think my mother over-compensated her natural concern for my susceptibility for them by making me paranoid about developing one from a young age.

I was very thin throughout my teenage years, and was terrified of developing and/or having people even THINK i had an eating disorder. Girls would come up to me in the cafeteria and ask if I was anorexic, so I was very self-conscious about what I ate in public, and made sure I always ate big and/or heavy meals, so no one would "worry." This led to a pattern of overeating, which I'm still struggling with. I learned that boys especially were impressed I could eat so much and stay so thin, so it became a competition to eat a big meal, sort of like how people binge drink in college.

I'm aware of my tendency to over or under-eat (guilt from overeating led to cycles of dieting), and though it's a struggle, I have pretty stable, healthy meals now. Still, I rarely enjoy eating out, because I'm always worried people are watching what I order and how much I eat - most places I know I should take home at least half the meal, but I'll keep eating so whoever I'm eating with doesn't think I'm purposely not eating.

Thanks for raising this topic - when you're enthusiastic about something, you often walk a thin line between having and losing control, and I'm not surprised other Serious Eaters have had similar food issues. We're obsessed with it, of course we'll have issues!

I have never had an eating disorder. But just like jo_jo_ba I have always I have always been scrutinized for the way I eat. If I dont like the food, I just wont eat it, it's been that way since I was a child. I remember when I was in kindergarden my teacher complained to me mom that I wouldn't eat the school lunches, and they made a deal that the teacher would sit with me at lunch time and make sure that I ate.
About 5 years ago I lost a lot of weight due to a hyperactive thyroid. I am petite and have always been fairly slim, so it was visible on my frame. What I hated most was when people would say that they wished they could be as slim as me. My body was going through such mayhem in that year that I found out I had that disease, I hated everyone that made that comment to me. It was so difficult to get back up to a semi healthy weight in the last few years since my digestive system was never the same since the sickness, food has been a real struggle for me.
Just a few weeks ago I was hospitalized, I had become sick but didn't know what was wrong. By doctor finally convinced me to go to the emergency room because I had lost 15 lb in 2 weeks. It turned out that I have colitis. Colitis is a disease of the intestines, at it's worst you get cuts on the intestinal walls which seep out all the nutrients and liquids before they could be absorbed. By the time I went to the hospital I was completely dehydrated, vitamin depleted, and just a general mess.
So now I have a goal of gaining 20 lb, which is harder than it sounds when your body just wont cooperate with you. It has been a challenge every day to figure out how I can cram enough calories in me without overloading my stomach or making it sick with the wrong foods.
I have always wondered myself how many foodies there are out there that have eating issues, be they emotional, or physical. I have eaten out in so long, since there are so many things that I have to watch out for when I am out, that makes me sad.

I think about food all the time. I need to shed some pounds due to eminent heart disease and arthritis in my knees and ankles. I have a very expensive compost pile resulting from all my good intentions to eat fruit and vegetables. Today it was egg salad for lunch (with fresh dill), a stuffed baked potato for dinner (bacon, sour cream, butter, cheese), plus I baked an oatmeal snack cake. It is a daily struggle, even though my family loves to eat my cooking. Good luck to all of you above who have shared your stories.

By the end of my senior football season in H.S. I weighed 292 lbs. and by the end of my college football senior season I was 318 lbs. I'd have to say I kicked Anorexia's ass!

I can kind of relate to this article. I'm a huge foodie and love cooking just for the heck of it sometimes. I have a fridge full of random leftovers at all times. A few months back, I got to the point where I would cook these great meals, take 2 bites, and literally get sick. I lost 15 pounds, so I looked great, but was dying to eat. I finally went to the doctor and found out I had acid reflux. Thankfully, I started taking a simple OTC med and was able to eat again. It's almost like I was a bulemic against my will. So, now I eat freely! I gained most of the weight back (blah) but now I can enjoy all that I love to cook!

I find that I often eat out of boredom. Like I'll be reading SE and just start to think about snacks. I don't have an ED, but the term distorted eating I think. Just consuming your mind with food and planning out what to have the next day. As much I how love to read blogs, sometimes I think they feed the addiction.

In HS I had diagnosed eating disorder, I was about 10-15 lbs overweight and refused to eat, mornings were impossible to eat anything and I refused to eat at all in school, I would hide in the bell tower with a can of diet pepsi, my first and only meal of the day was dinner. Little did I know my body was in starvation mode and therefore refused to lose the weight. Now a days, because of an ongoing illness I am forced to eat very small amounts, and since I am very much underweight, I have had waiter, waitresses, and even cooks come up to me and ask if the food was ok. On one highly embarrasing occasion, I had a chef come up to me and ask if the food was ok and when I said it was wonderful, he then said "what's wrong with eating it then or are you afraid of getting fat?! "

Thanks for sharing your story and posting this topic. I have had a very long battle with an eating disorder and I think it all started very young for me. I was overweight as a kid and was teased relentlessly and that made me seek comfort in the very thing that was making me fat: food! I began a diet when I was 12 and became very dedicated. VERY dedicated. Once the weight started to come off I became obsessed and focused only only that. This was in a time when no one really knew how to handle something like this and in fact, Karen Carpenter had just died (1983) from complications from her eating disorder. At my lowest weight I was 5'3" and 80 pounds. With therapy, etc. I was able to get past that and gain some weight back, but the anxiety of that eventually led me to bulimia. I have battled that on and off up to this day - but I can say now I am doing better than I ever I have in regards to how I view food, it's value to me and the good health it can bring. Before food was something to soothe me no matter what emotion I was feeling. Even while anorexic, I was constantly making food or looking at recipes, but of course, never eating much of any of it. They have done studies on "normal" people when they severely restricted their food intake, and they began to read cookbooks and make food around the clock.
I know this issue isn't understood by everyone and at times it is very hard for me to explain - but it isn't as simple as "just eat" - in fact , it really isn't about the food at all...let me clarify:"in most cases".
All I know is that I have control and pleasure over food most days now and for that I am extremely grateful.

Ooops - I mean "became obsessed and focused only ON that.

I am a recovering anal-retentive calorie counter. Over the past 4 years, I've lost a little over 50 pounds. Wasn't truly obese before, but was definitely overweight and unhealthy. That led to my obessive calorie counting and other disturbing trend - developing and cooking hugely elaborate, high calorie meals for other people while not eating them and choosing some crazy low-calorie alternative that I'd eat in front of them. It gave me some sort of sick, voyeuristic satisfaction to know that other's were gorging while I was being 'healthy.' A friend pointed this out to me, and I'm very grateful for that. Now I indulge in everything while trying to exercise portion control. It's a daily battle to relax but stay on guard, especially when everything I read online says the key to sustained weight loss is tracking your food and counting calories. Although, for me, that leads to anxiety and an overall sense of unhappiness. Balance is so hard sometimes...

@mollykate678 - I can relate - When I would make these wonderful meals that everyone else would eat and then I only ate nearly no-calorie salads, I would relish in the sick pride I felt the that I had so much more control and will power than everyone else did. Little did I realize that I wasn't in control then either - the disorder was.

As someone who has also gone through her own issues with anorexia,
it took my passing out numerous times, the last of which was into a closet door in my parents house, which I broke, to realize I had a problem. My life then was eating maybe one meal a day, if that. I was 5"4 and weighed 89 lbs. I have a very athletic build, so I Iooked bad.

And yes, this is a control issue. When things in your environment are beyond your reach, your weight is something that people will notice, and, address.However with time comes knowledge. My life today , if I want
to eat, I will. Making healthy choices and living life knowing all is good in moderation, fulfillment follows.
There are no more fad diets, or starvation weekends. I run 1 hour a day with my dogs, balance between pilates and weights, and then I get to eat
whatever I want, in moderation. Being that wine and cheese is my biggest weakness, I better make sure I keep true to my word. No more proving my
worth to the masses, just myself

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LOL @Pavlov!

I struggled with anorexia through high school. And then I became a binge/purger through senior year of high school. Freshman year of college...I was so unhappy and homesick I stopped eating, or ate very little and "got rid of it"...I am 5'8" and I weighed 90 pounds. It was gross, now that I look back on it. I'm currently "recovered"...but I still have food issues. I get stressed and those urges return. I always think about food. I probably eat too much and I have a distorted view of what a "portion" is. I mean really, who else eats a whole pound of broccoli for dinner? That'd be me. I sort of feel like when you mess around with a basic survival function (eating) it will never go back to normal 100%.

I struggle every day. I would like to say I feel good at 130 pounds, but I don't....but I'm working on it. At 20 years old, I've put myself through alot of abuse and within the last year or so I've finally learned to embrace my body and myself...and learn to like myself again. It was a dark 6 years, but I'm seeing light now and eventually I'll love myself again. One day at a time.

How inspiring!
Everyone's stories spoke to me; you should be proud to overcome this; and proud to love food! :D

I applaud y'all for sharing your stories (and relate, as a former anorexic/bulimic), but beware: Those still in the midst of illness may read things like this to fuel their behaviors or learn tips.

Like reports about suicide, reports about anorexia and bulimia can lead to people experimenting with the behavior.

This is a great thread! Thank you to everyone for sharing your stories.
I was diagnosed with anorexia in junior high/high school and had to participate in an outpatient treatment program where people watched me eat all of my meals and I had to have a certain amount of foods everyday. I remember struggling to eat, being afraid of everything, and at meal times, only eating what I considered to be safe foods like raw vegetables, fruit, fat free yogurt, and low fat cereal. If I ate something that was outside my safety zone, I remember having so much anxiety and fear and the only way I felt I could relieve that fear was to run a few miles or do hundreds of jumping jacks. However, 13 years later, thanks to the help of my wonderful parents, as well as the people at the treatment center, I now have fairly normal eating habits, I am at a healthy weight, I exercise and eat regularly, and I love eating out as well as cooking for my friends and family. I am sometimes still so amazed by the way I feel after I eat a great meal - I am happy that I was able to enjoy the food that I ate and I feel at peace. I think my eating disorder, while traumatic, gave me a second chance to re-learn how to enjoy and appreciate good food. Good luck to all of you who are struggling, I feel for you and wish you the best on your journey to recovery and peace.

At my predominately Jewish high school in Long Island, pretty much every girl was, in some way shape or form, exhibiting some disordered eating. However, I was the only one who managed to lose 35 pounds, whittling down to a scale-tipping 70 pounds, and have myself pulled out of school and thrown into a clinic for 3 months (I've always been an overachiever!).

As someone with an ED will tell you, the obsession with food is permeating and infects every part of your life. I could not get through 10 minutes, much less an hour, without thinking about what I would or would not eat. This was truly crippling and did not allow me to focus on what the root causes were that were making need to control this part of my life in such a manner. However, with the help of some excellent doctors and nutritionists, I was able to get to a point where I could think clearly and address these issues and save myself. More importantly, with the help of an amazing therapist, I was able to recognize that I WANTED to save myself, which is the key ingredient, so to speak, of recovery.

Next Tuesday is my 10 year anniversary of being hospitalized (I will be celebrating at Gramercy Tavern or 11 Madison Park. Or Pamplona, to shake things up a bit- I have yet to decide and am open to more suggestions!) I currently consider myself a 'foodie' and love to eat, cook, talk about food, read about food, and mostly eat food. Back at 17, I never imagined I would have such a healthy relationship with the stuff, even though I am equally as obsessed as I was back than. I guess the major difference is then I saw food as a way to punish myself and control my life, and now I see it as something that brings me pleasure, engages me in fun socializing with loves ones, has fueled me through 2 marathons and will power me though a long and healthy life- one that I deserve.

I strongly encourage anyone suffering to seek help and please tell yourself you are worth nourishing and keeping alive. Keep reminding yourself, get physically healthy and I promise, some day you will believe it, even if you don't at first.

Being a fifteen year-old boy who was naturally losing weight as a result i'd my metabolism and growth, etc., I was not a very likely candidate to have an eating disorder, but it happens easier than you think. I had struggled with weight all my life and I guess I felt like being fat (and people tell me that I wasn't ever that big) had kept me from making friends and having a girlfriend. I followed the motoo "eat when you're hungry, stop when you're satisfied," but when I got back to school, my social situation didn't get any better. I spiraled downward with trying to eat as few calories as possible. I saw a doctor and he said that I should try to get halfbof my food inatke from fruits and vegetables, which I took as eat as little other than fruits and veggies as you can. I continuedbto lose weight, and a lot if people became really concerned about me. The reztriction that i put on myself alomst filled the social void that i felt in myselfI finally realized that I had aneatng disorder and sought hep from both a dietician and my school counselor. Even after I heard that I must eat more protein and fat to survive, it was still extremely tough to allow myself to start eating again. I think it was the information that protein and fats are necessary ( especially for a growing boy like me) and that I really could have harmed myself because of my diet. Now, i've gains 15 of the 60 pounds that I lost back but I feel good about it and think most of it went on as muscle. It was really difficult to start eating again, but once I realize bow much better I feel (both physically and mentally) when I just let myself eat what I want. I still eat pretty healthioy but I have systematically become less and less fretful about every little thing I eat. By no means am I fully recovered, but I feel so much better about myself. The best part is that, out of this, I've developed a love for food and cooking and have gained a lot of good nutritional knowledge along the way. Thanks for reading.

Wow, it's incredible how many of us serious eaters have dealt with serious eating problems. I was anorexic in high school as well (combo of being super stressed and being a chubby kid), and weighed around 98-105 in junior year. Around then, I realized that I could start actually eating again, as long as I got rid of it afterward. I'd describe myself as semi-recovered, although in stressful times I revert back to full-on bulimia and/or anorexia. I've also never been diagnosed or seen any kind of doctor about this, and have only spoken to two friends about it. However, I recently made a big step (for me) towards recovery, and told one of those friends that I was planning on making an appointment after exams!

I've been cooking like crazy basically ever since I became anorexic, since cooking somehow repressed my appetite (or tired me out so I wasn't hungry anymore, I guess). I just need to keep reminding myself to eat things that are nutritionally valuable to my body, since the times when I give in and eat junk food is when things start going downhill. Luckily the food that's good for us also tends to taste the best and be the most enjoyable to prepare, so I have high hopes for the future!

Great thread. It's nice to know I'm not alone here in my love/hate relationship with food!

@sweethunibabi
Who eat's a pound of broccoli for dinner? Me too! Or, like, two pounds of carrots! Haha, well, not anymore, I guess :)

@fdr1952

It's great that you're celebrating 'life' by having a nice dining experience. I don't think it has to be a high-end place, just a place that you feel comfort in. What type of cuisines do you like?

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I also can relate to all the above comments. Sometimes I feel I'm in denial, but after reading this thread, I feel I'm still struggling. It's not full-blown, but as everyone had mentioned, it's such an 'easy way' to control oneself. We can't control what's going on with the politics, the weather, or natural disaster, yet we can do 'something' with our body. However, why do we torture it rather than celebrate its existence by feeding it with good food? I must admit that I don't crave chips and candies like I did as a child, but I would never shun away from avocado (tooooo good!), hummus, bread, and rice. Now, I got for the good carb and fat and they taste and make me feel so much better too!

I battled anorexia throughout my early teens. At my worst, I weighed 70 pounds. I agree that it really is a control issue. When I began to focus on controlling the quality of what I ate rather than the quantity, I started to get better. Getting away from the scrutiny of family and old friends when I moved overseas for college really helped too. Living alone, I dealt with binge eating problems at times but over the last two years my weight and eating habits have stabilized. Thank you so much for starting this thread. I really appreciate being able to learn about other people's experiences.

I used to be anorexic, and oddly enough, those are the days where I developed such a passion for food. Maybe that's because I don't want to waste my calories on something mediocre, and would rather starve than eat something I thought I already know the taste, and would search for something new and out of the ordinary. I also baked a lot, and often spend hours on food and recipe blogs. After baking I would feel full, so I rarely eat what I made, prefering just to have a bite to make sure it tastes good. I have come to terms with my disorder though, and it made appreciating food so much easier! I would not worry so much about ordering in a restaurant, or when I am in a dinner party and would just enjoy whatever was served to me instead of constantly worrying and obsessing about how I can decline what was offered in a nice and unsuspicious way.

I've dealt with ED-NOS since my early twenties. The word that describes it best is "orthorexia" though I'm hesitant to start making up disorders. I'm the sort of person where my body picks its own set point weight and absolutely, positively refuses to budge from it, so when medication made me gain 15 pounds (from a healthy if not super skinny weight to slightly chubby), it messed with me tremendously. I cannot physically go more than a few hours without eating (I end up feeling dizzy, faint and near-violently ill) and my mental health was in a bad enough state that I felt this was a personal failing, not a quirk of my metabolism. I couldn't purge myself either, so I became obsessed with only eating the foods I deemed "acceptable," a list that shrank over time. Every bite of a food that wasn't undressed salad, plain oatmeal, steamed vegetables or baked chicken breast led to days of guilt. I once screamed at my boyfriend for putting more than a paper-towel wipe of oil into the frying pan.

The amount I was eating doesn't actually sound that tiny, but for me it was. I am sure some people could live on a cup of oatmeal, apple, and hard-boiled egg for breakfast and a salad with chicken, veggies, and no dressing for lunch, and be able to accomplish a day's work. I couldn't -- I spent half the day nauseous, dizzy, headachey, and totally unable to concentrate. I'm amazed I didn't get fired. I also ravaged my digestive system with the amount of fiber I was getting, what with banning anything that wasn't half vegetables and whole grain from my diet.

I'm much better now - I'm able to eat a variety of foods and get exercise without being as obsessive about it. I still eat a lot of "healthy" foods because I like them, but am able to relax and have a burger or listen to my body when it is telling me that lettuce will not go down easy. I can eat until I'm satiated and not just until the worst hunger pangs start to subside, and I don't try to stretch the faint hunger feeling out as long as I can tolerate. I can eat food other people have prepared without spending the entire meal trying to figure out how many calories are in it. It took a couple of years, though, and a very good nutritionist who was able to realize what was going on.

BUT I am still fairly easily triggered. I have to NOT know how many calories are in what I'm eating and I have to NOT think about foods as good or bad. I find anti-obesity messages triggering (despite the fact that I am not and probably never really was fat). Portion control messages are the worst, as what leaves me under-nourished, sick with hunger, and obsessed with food is probably about the same amount of food Weight Watchers would tell me to eat, were I trying to lose weight. The messages I was giving myself are the same ones I hear every day, as a good thing. I love my vegetables and I love my exercise, but to me those messages are incredibly destructive.

@tangledgray

Oh gosh. You just reflected what I was feeling today! I went to brunch with mom and was 'horrified' when I found my sandwich included dressed lettuce. Now normally, a sandwich 'shouldn't' have olive oil laden greens, but for some reasons, this kitchen decided to do so. Also, the salad was sprinkled with sea salt and I was not happy as well. It's so difficult for me to enjoy a nice meal out still. I get disappointed when I find the food 'not safe' to eat. I still consumed my meal. It was good. I just had to keep telling myself that olive oil is good for me, olive oil is healthy...but the sea salt I really wasn't happy about. I find it harder and harder for me to dine out because I can't 'control' the food I want.

@gargupie - I'm sorry you're going through this. It's an awful feeling, and took so much pleasure out of my life at the time. To me, the only thing that cured it was to take a drastically different view of health/weight/nutrition/etc. I threw out my scale and decided I just did not believe in calories (after all, the 3500 calories = 1 lb is a ridiculously simplistic assumption that is quite often untrue). Intuitive eating and the idea that we have set point sizes really helps a lot (unless I let food control my life, I actually can't control my weight). I was incredibly nervous at first that I'd gain weight (without the scale, I can't say for sure, but I actually lost about a half size after relaxing my mindset and eating more food) and revert to my old self-hating behavior, but it's worked, even if it means I always look the other way at calorie counts and diet tips and anything that triggers that way of thinking.

Not sure if what works for me would work for you, but I feel terrible that you have to go through the same thing.

@tangledgray

Thanks for your comforting message. Yes. I felt quite uneasy when I found out that I've gained weight, but weight that I needed. I guess it's also due to the events that are happening to me and like the others have mentioned, it just seems like 'eating' is the easiest way to control oneself. I'm also bombarded with all these dieting 'tips' and I've got to say, a lot of them are just not realistic. A plain yogurt with 10 almonds as a snack? A cup of oatmeal topped with fruits for breakfast? Grilled fish with a side of salad (a dip of a forkful of vinegar dressing)? Oh please. That would never work for me. I feel the media and all these so called advices are contaminating people's mind. Yet...I can't help it. That's how sad it is for me.

I just get scared when I dine out because I don't know what's actually on the plate. How do you cope with this?

You're welcome. When I had issues around food, there was definitely a control and discipline aspect to it as well. What's turned that around is realizing that if I'm sitting there, trying to go another hour until lunch without fainting, I'm not in control. That unless I become a shut-in, there will be times when my life whether for work or social or family reasons involves eating food other people have prepared. The idea that you can control every single thing that you eat is kind of a myth - the only way to do that is to let food control the rest of your life.

Another myth is that we control our weights. In the long run, we have a lot less control than we think. Yes, you can significantly undereat, trusting only calorie counts and overriding your own body, to stay below a certain limit or overeat regularly and gain some weight, but unless you're already well below your set point, eating a little more, or having olive oil on your salad won't affect your weight. You might be fuller for longer, or your metabolism might run a little faster, but it's not going to make a big difference. We like to think of this stuff is an accounting balance, that what we eat and don't burn sticks to our butts, but it's way way more complicated than that.

I guess the bottom line is that we often have a lot less control than we think and it's better to accept that and change what I can control (like my attitude). Unless you're eating out the the vast majority of the time, it doesn't matter what's on the plate, so why agonize over it?

Also, you mentioned eating when bored. That was something I pretty much stopped doing when I shifted my mindset. The way I think about it now is if I'm hungry, I need the food, and as long as I don't try to count calories or worry about what I "should" eat I will stop when done and it won't really matter what I ate - my body will make its own adjustments, like getting hungry again soon if all I had was salad or staying full for hours after beef curry. Removing the moral issue and all the junk I get from the world around me has pretty much zapped my desire to eat when not hungry, even if I love food.

i've just "recovered" from anorexia. i started with orthorexia, an obsession with eating healthy to the point of...well. starvation....but it lead to anorexia when my family tried to get me to recover. at 5'8, i dwindled down to 112 pounds...i'm back up to 140-some pounds, but it's because i gained a lot of muscle back. my eating disorder lead to my interest in food too. i remember being able to sit for hours, reading cookbooks and taking notes for dishes i want to prepare but would never. i'd spend days...even a week planning ahead for one special dish i'd allow myself a little of. and then i'd completely freak out if anything 'ruined' the moment.

right now i'm struggling with binging and bulimia....but i've been able to help myself by just telling myself to eat healthy wholesome things....i can't eat out though. as much as i fancy the idea, i have huge issues with eating food not prepared by me. even bread from a store. it took me months to trust cheese or milk again. :/

I would be curious to know what others think of recent city laws (in New York and, more recently, Boston) requiring chain restaurants to post calorie information for all items on their menus.

I am recovering from anorexia and, like tangledgray, find myself triggered by anti-obesity messages. Needless to say, I feel ambivalent about such measures as I struggle not to think about foods as "good" or "bad," and to concentrate on quality over quantity. Even as I realize such information will allow many consumers to make "healthier" choices, it feels potentially destructive to the mental -- and potentially physical -- health of those of us who struggle differently with food.

What place, if any, is there for eating disorders in the public health discourse on obesity?

Sidecar, you've hit on something I hate. Ignoring the fact that calorie counts are only rough approximations and that adding or subtracting condiments or variations in the ingredients themselves can alter them, I find this VERY triggering. It's hard to look at calorie counts and not think that less is always better.

I've seen studies that suggest that most of the anti-obesity messages affect people who are not seriously overweight - they have a much greater affect on the behavior of the already thin. Which leads me to believe that there's way too much discourse on obesity as a public health hazard - these messages do not make people healthier but they do mess with those already prone to disordered eating.

I concur. I think the #s just mess people's mind when they're ordering food. I mean, food is supposed to be nourishment and enjoyment. When you tag a # next to a food item, then you're taking away its purposes. There's a restaurant chain in Japan that does exactly the same thing. I was going to order a dessert, but after seeing that it's going to 'cost' me 600 calories, I skipped it and ordered tea instead. The restaurant just lost some businesses as well. What's most important is to consume whole foods and not processed products.

A brave comment, and an unfortunately relevant one. I have been battling AN/BN for eight years, and it manifested under similar circumstances, when I moved away from my hometown & everything familiar and went off to university. I have been in treatment three times and my weight has fluctuated up & down 60 pounds. There have been "better" times, and other times when I was so psychologically crippled I felt I couldn't possibly face another day. I'm in a spot now where I have a very supportive dietician who is helping me make some significant changes. It is a personal choice for me to eat a vegan diet, and get organic/local products when I can. There are so many wonderful things to experience, and I am so excited to continue to challenge myself with new and different foods. I wish anyone who is dealing with this disorder courage, and an honest love for life. Cling to whatever it is that inspires you, and I hope that food can be one of those things. "Fake it til you make it!"

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